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TimBonde

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Does anyone have experience with a contractor's insurance company for general liability insurance?
I have been in commercial construction for over 15 years and I am still in the process of starting this new business with a partner to do residential renovations (basements, kitchens, baths, etc.).
So I am preparing to hire contractors, I do not know if they are authorized or not. Some of the contractors were referred to me by real estate agents and friends.
How do you manage insurance if something should happen to one of them?
Should I opt for contractor's insurance or is there any other?
Recommendations on which company can I use?

Thank you in advance!
 
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Fatboy148

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So I am preparing to hire contractors, I do not know if they are authorized or not.

I have been out of it for a few years BUT....

IF... they have insurance, at the contractor's request, their insurance company should be able to provide you with a insurance certificate showing that they have insurance, what types of insurance and the limits of said insurance.

The insurance company should also be able to list you and the person/business that you both are working for as an additional insured if you hire them to do work for you.

Make sure the certificate comes in the mail from the insurance company and not handed to you by the contractor. Insurance fraud is a thing!


ETA.... I see you are in Canada, things may very well be different there than on the south side of the St. Lawrence.
 

Justind97

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I am local to you. I have liability insurance. 2 million coverage and a bunch of other stuff. Runs about $900/year.
I've never had to use it (knock on wood) but make sure you have this in case something does happen.

As for hiring contractors, you can ask for the insurance certificate/rider (ryder? sp?).

You will want an established contractor working on any of your sites. If I'm not mistaken, they would be covered under your own insurance, but you want them to have their own just in case they do something that causes trouble for you now or down the road.

I use The Co-Operators.
 

Graham08

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We had to carry a builder's risk policy when building our house. This actually covered the contractor against loss in the event of fire or storm damage while the house was under construction. It wasn't particularly expensive. I can't remember now if our bank required it as part of the construction loan or if it was a specific request from our contractor.
 

hefnerconstructionlc

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For your business you will need workers comp for your employees. You will need general contractors liability for your business. You will need vehicle umbrella for vehicles and trailers. Also I would suggest itemize tool coverage policy for tools and gear.

Your subs should be able to provide a certificate of insurance for you. Their insurance agent will provide and your company as the certificate holder. Always get this prior to commencement of work.
 

The Cobbler

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true contractors are required to pay WSIB on themselves & any employees they have. As a business owner it is your responsibility to request WSIB clearance certificates from each sub or contractor. They should also carry their own liability insurance policy, you should request certificates of insurance from them as well. You need to cover yourself with WSIB as well, if you do commercial work, or work in any ones non principal residences , rental units etc etc. you also should have liability insurance on your company .
If the people you hire are not true contractors,as identified by WSIB & CRA, you need to have them on payroll & make appropriate employer deductions & remittances.
Gone are the days of just hiring someone and calling them a contractor, there is a series of events that are required to be a true contractor.
2 million liability policy is pretty standard now adays . when I first started in the mid 90's I think it was $200k .
 

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You do not need to have work comp for contractors. That is why you sub things out. You do need it for your employees. Any employee on your payroll, otherwise not contracted.

Each person you subcontract to should provide you with a declaration page of their liability ( if they cause damage ) and health insurance ( if they get hurt ). If someone gets hurt or killed on your job without the insurance. The property can be sued and/ or a lien may be able to be placed on the property. As a contractor you do not want this and you want to protect yourself and especially your reputation from this. You want to be known as doing everything right. I strongly suggest you check with your local laws, state laws, and consult an attorney. Also your local chamber of commerce can help you. Also check with some of the biggest contractors in your area. Give them a call and ask what they do. They are people just like you. Everyone starts somewhere. Looking into this due diligence can save your business and your reputation (which is more important). You should have your own insurance as well, in the event that there is not enough coverage or someone lapses on their insurance. It is not uncommon for people to make the first payment to get documentation and then not pay the rest having no coverage later on.
There is a way that you can be informed if this happens you would have to contact insurance and get permission from the contractor, there are forms to fill out.

As your business grows you learn more things that become necessary, and some things that did not know that you should be doing. What if...?
 

The Cobbler

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OP is in Ontario, Canada. Above post is not entirely correct.
also , a Certificate of Insurance is a document sent to you by the insurance company, not the contractor showing you their liability policy. THe contractor request it from their insurance company, to be sent to you . it will have a start & end date on it. We do not need to check status of health insurance, but it is the responsibility of you to get clearances from WSIB. it is also your responsibility to get Cert of Ins. from the subs. Also, if the so called sub contractor is deemed to be an employee by CRA at an audit or whatever, they can & will charge you for employer deductions. Then there's HST considerations too.
 
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Jackfre

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Speak with your insurance agent and a couple others. Back that up with an attorney. The correct and comprehensive policies are a sales tool that you should be able to reference details of that coverage to homeowners. It helps their peace of mind in the deal and should help you close deals.
 

yeldogt

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We had to carry a builder's risk policy when building our house. This actually covered the contractor against loss in the event of fire or storm damage while the house was under construction. It wasn't particularly expensive. I can't remember now if our bank required it as part of the construction loan or if it was a specific request from our contractor.

That's different and the cost all depends on how it is structured. I'm sure the bank.

You contractor should have had it as well.

If there is no other coverage (homeowners) it's actually expensive as it's based on values ....
 

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You or the sub ABSOLUTELY have to have workers comp on the sub. unless you are rolling the dice and risk everything you have worked for.

I have been a residential contractor for 27 years.
General liability is one thing, and cheap compared to workers comp (WC)

My clients all require me to be fully insured, liabilty and WC.

I have no employees, only about 15 subs.
A few of my subs have WC - My roofer, glazier, Tub refinisher, etc)
My carpet guy, HVAC, 3 painters, etc do not have WC.

Each year an auditor from the WC company comes to my office for an audit.
They go through my books and make a list of all the subs I paid (and the amounts) for that year.
I then present the WC insurance certs for the subs that have WC.
The rest of the subs (and there dollar amount) are placed under my policy.
If these subs did not provide receipts breaking out material vs labor, I have to pay WC on the entire receipt, including material.
There is NO trick to getting out of WC,, I have never had an accident/claim in 27 years, I pay over 28k a year in WC, and it goes up every year.

Also, dont even think about having "personal" auto coverage on your business vehicle, you would just throwing money away and leaving yourself exposed.

One last thing, I have never witnessed 2 guys going in as "partners" to start a construction business that did not end in disaster.



You do not need to have work comp for contractors. That is why you sub things out. You do need it for your employees. Any employee on your payroll, otherwise not contracted.

Each person you subcontract to should provide you with a declaration page of their liability ( if they cause damage ) and health insurance ( if they get hurt ). If someone gets hurt or killed on your job without the insurance. The property can be sued and/ or a lien may be able to be placed on the property. As a contractor you do not want this and you want to protect yourself and especially your reputation from this. You want to be known as doing everything right. I strongly suggest you check with your local laws, state laws, and consult an attorney. Also your local chamber of commerce can help you. Also check with some of the biggest contractors in your area. Give them a call and ask what they do. They are people just like you. Everyone starts somewhere. Looking into this due diligence can save your business and your reputation (which is more important). You should have your own insurance as well, in the event that there is not enough coverage or someone lapses on their insurance. It is not uncommon for people to make the first payment to get documentation and then not pay the rest having no coverage later on.
There is a way that you can be informed if this happens you would have to contact insurance and get permission from the contractor, there are forms to fill out.

As your business grows you learn more things that become necessary, and some things that did not know that you should be doing. What if...?
 

Balvar24

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Does anyone have experience with a contractor's insurance company for general liability insurance?
I have been in commercial construction for over 15 years and I am still in the process of starting this new business with a partner to do residential renovations (basements, kitchens, baths, etc.).
So I am preparing to hire contractors, I do not know if they are authorized or not. Some of the contractors were referred to me by real estate agents and friends.
How do you manage insurance if something should happen to one of them?
Should I opt for contractor's insurance or is there any other?
Recommendations on which company can I use?

Thank you in advance!

If you're hiring subcontractors to work on your behalf, you should require the as part of your contract to provide you with an insurance certificate listing you as additional insured.

Talk to your insurance guy. He'll set you straight.

AIA has basic contracts as well. It would be good to go to their site and review typical language/requirements.
 

Barry Vogelaar

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When we were building our house, we had to purchase a builder's risk policy. This genuinely protected the contractor from financial loss in the case of a fire or storm while the house was being built. It didn't cost a lot of money. I'm not sure if our bank demanded it as part of the building financing or if our contractor requested it specifically.
 
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