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When I asked the resident hydraulic expert (Hiball) about the 7916420 jack, here was his response...

"I’d pass on that Napa, it’s a single pump quick lift and more troublesome than the newer twin pump units. I would look into the newer models that utilize Ucups, along with twin pumps."
 

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I've got a 791-6420 from a few years ago, Pre -Carlyle, Not a quick pump unit and it does have dual pumps. Got it around '10-ish IIRC. The older ones did have a single pump, which is at least about 15 or more years ago, Because that's the way the one my Dad has is.

It's possible they've cheapened them up, but I'd guess they just slapped a Carlyle sticker on them.

Never had a problem with either jack I've used, but they are not used in a pro shop. But they're still better then the cheap jacks (Torin, big red, ete..) I've used at work either way.

The low profile jack would be better with cars in general. No experience with that unit though. If I needed one I would consider it.
 

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A member on my other forum has one he likes it but not as much as his Daytona because his is a single pump and the Daytona is a double pump. He said it works for what he needs it for.


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The jack with # ending in 420 is the older variation of the napa professional 3-1/2 ton. I have 2 I use pretty regularly with no issues. A lot of pro shops in my area use them as well. The other jack listed is more of a low profile jack. I've seen them in the store and it appears to be of lighter construction than the first one.
 

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When I asked the resident hydraulic expert (Hiball) about the 7916420 jack, here was his response...

"I’d pass on that Napa, it’s a single pump quick lift and more troublesome than the newer twin pump units. I would look into the newer models that utilize Ucups, along with twin pumps."

I think Hiball may be referring to the jacks mentioned in this thread. It’s a decent read:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458826&page=2

I've got a 791-6420 from a few years ago, Pre -Carlyle, Not a quick pump unit and it does have dual pumps. Got it around '10-ish IIRC. The older ones did have a single pump, which is at least about 15 or more years ago, Because that's the way the one my Dad has is.

It's possible they've cheapened them up, but I'd guess they just slapped a Carlyle sticker on them.

It does seem that Napa has two different jacks with the same 791-6420 number, one with quick lift single pump and a newer version with quick lift dual pistons.

Again referencing that same thread linked just above, in post #39-40, if the information provided is correct, the dual pump version would have seals that might be equivalent to HF’s yellow Daytona. (https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458826&page=2)


By the way, for the OP, any chance you would consider looking at this Napa Balkamp Jack which is also on sale? https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_8151279?partTypeName=Floor+Jack&keywordInput=jack
 
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Hey ajchen, maybe you can ferret out more info about the Carlyle jacks for us???

A Youtube video suggests that the Carlyle jack 791-6420 is exactly the same as the predecessor NAPA branded 791-6420.

This 791-6420 repair kit claims out of production:
https://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/product/9021
https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/napa_7916420.pdf
Same kit as Sunex?? https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/sunex66035.pdf

This 791-6420A repair kit is still available: (notice the "A" suffix)
https://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/product/9024
https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/napa7916420a.pdf


Does this info help identify the construction of the current Carlyle at NAPA????
 
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Hey ajchen, maybe you can ferret out more info about the Carlyle jacks for us???

A Youtube video suggests that the Carlyle jack 791-6420 is exactly the same as the old NAPA branded 791-6420.

This 791-6420 repair kit claims out of production:
https://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/product/9021
https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/napa_7916420.pdf
Same kit as Sunex https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/sunex66035.pdf

This 791-6420A repair kit is still available: (notice the "A" suffix)
https://www.hcrcnow.com/shop/seal-kits/product/9024
https://www.hcrcnow.com/uploads/drawings/napa7916420a.pdf


Does this info help identify the construction of the current Carlyle at NAPA????

I’ve got the same info as you. I’m not sure if this adds anymore to what you already have figured out.

I have no reason to doubt plinker in post #3, that Napa changed from a single to double pump likely a while ago.

The thing I notice on the hcrc website is that there is a 791-6420 which was a single pump jack, and there are also 791-6420A and 791-6420B models. It seems that both the A and B models are dual pump jacks. The A model has a hydraulic diagram (showing o rings on the pump pistons and the main ram piston) the B model does not show its hydraulic system, so it is not specifying what kind of seals it is using. You can take that info and combine it to post #39 in this thread https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458826&page=2 and make your own assumptions. May be worth another email to Napa to see if they confirm Skeptic68W’s post a second time.

Might be best to go in store for this one to see if you’re picking up an A or B series if that makes a difference to you. I have no idea if the A and B models correspond to the Napa/Carlyle branding.

I did link the Napa Balkamp 2 ton jack on sale for $289 in my previous post. If you go to the link and read through, you’ll realize that the particular jack is a rebranded SFA Hein Werner 2 ton. Best price I’ve seen on that jack in a while.
 
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YouTube comes to help.

In post #3, plinker had said that his father had a single pump 791-6420 which is dates around 2005. He also says he has a dual pump 791-6420 [my assumption, likely series A] around 2010.

I offer this YouTube video showing a series A:
where he shows the dual pump (time 1:46) and the partially ripped label with the 6420 A (time 1:29). The video is posted 3 years ago, and he says it’s 5 years old ... jack made in 2012, likely the same as plinker’s.

And there is this YouTube video showing a series B:
Where they briefly show the dual pumps at time 14:54 and the show the label with the 6420 B at time 13:29. This is a video made 3 years ago, 2017.

The promotional video of Napa vs. Carlyle saying that the two jacks are exactly the same (
) came out 2 months ago, year 2020.

Based on the above pieced together info, I’ll make an assumption that the 791-6420 has changed 3 times over the past 10-15 years. Looks like Napa sold the original 791-6420 up to years 2005-2010, then sold the 791-6420 A until sometime between 2012-2017, after which the 791-6420 B was seen. The promotional video in 2020 says that they did not change their jack when they went from Napa to Carlyle branding.
 
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I think Hiball may be referring to the jacks mentioned in this thread. It’s a decent read:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458826&page=2



It does seem that Napa has two different jacks with the same 791-6420 number, one with quick lift single pump and a newer version with quick lift dual pistons.

Again referencing that same thread linked just above, in post #39-40, if the information provided is correct, the dual pump version would have seals that might be equivalent to HF’s yellow Daytona. (https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458826&page=2)


By the way, for the OP, any chance you would consider looking at this Napa Balkamp Jack which is also on sale? https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_8151279?partTypeName=Floor+Jack&keywordInput=jack


The last one is too much lol


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I think Hiball may be referring to the jacks mentioned in this thread. It’s a decent read:

https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458826&page=2



It does seem that Napa has two different jacks with the same 791-6420 number, one with quick lift single pump and a newer version with quick lift dual pistons.

Again referencing that same thread linked just above, in post #39-40, if the information provided is correct, the dual pump version would have seals that might be equivalent to HF’s yellow Daytona. (https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=458826&page=2)


By the way, for the OP, any chance you would consider looking at this Napa Balkamp Jack which is also on sale? https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/BK_8151279?partTypeName=Floor+Jack&keywordInput=jack



Napa had a couple variations from the normal 791-6420 including a quick lift/pump version.

My 2010 catalog lists the following, all are 3.5 ton, except for the low pro which is 2 ton. They pretty much have just changed the paint and sticker based on appearances.

The 791-6425 is listed as "speedy lift", one stroke to full height. It may have a single pump, hard to tell in the picture.

The 791-6402 is the low profile version (dual pump mechanism).

The 791-6420 advertises a "2x pump" ( dual pump mechanism)
 

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I am currently working on a NAPA 3.5 ton floor jack model 791-6420. I ordered a $70.00 non returnable seal kit (RS35SK). Its a single pump style. As i was disassembling it the top port on the left side of the handle (looking at it from the handle to the pad) seemed to have two ball bearings come out of it when i turned it over. A larger one and a smaller one. The right port just has a spring and needle valve in it. I cannot find any schematic on line for this. Can anyone help me. Thanks in advance
 

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I am currently working on a NAPA 3.5 ton floor jack model 791-6420. I ordered a $70.00 non returnable seal kit (RS35SK). Its a single pump style. As i was disassembling it the top port on the left side of the handle (looking at it from the handle to the pad) seemed to have two ball bearings come out of it when i turned it over. A larger one and a smaller one. The right port just has a spring and needle valve in it. I cannot find any schematic on line for this. Can anyone help me. Thanks in advance

if those re the only parts that came out, most commonly: small ball on bottom, large ball on top. Needle valve on bottom (pointy side down), spring on top.
 

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if those re the only parts that came out, most commonly: small ball on bottom, large ball on top. Needle valve on bottom (pointy side down), spring on top.
Thank you. On the needle valve side, how do I know how much to push the spring down with the top bolt?
 

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Thank you. On the needle valve side, how do I know how much to push the spring down with the top bolt?

the spring tension is probably be problematic now if you don’t already know what the setting is. You were supposed to count the number of turns to fully seat the top bolt down before removing it, so you know how tight it should be. Now you can only guess.

do you know if this is a quick/rapid lift jack or a regular one? I can’t tell based on numbers alone or your description what kind of jack it is - because you’re going to need to know if that needle valve is for a rapid lift or if it is the safety/overload/relief valve.

if it is the safety/overload/relief valve, if you don’t know how tight it’s supposed to be, IIRC, user hiball on here used to suggest seating the bolt completely down, and then backing off 1.5 to 2 turns. If this bolt is too tight, your jack will lift more than its rated 3.5 ton capacity and you will risk blowing seals etc. if the bolt is too loose, your jack will lift less than its rated capacity, often with a fairly characteristic “whoosh” sound of the valve opening to bypass when it reaches whatever limit you have it set. Ideally, you would like to set it so that it will lift 3.5 tons, and then bypass (”whoosh”) above 3.5 tons. You are probably safer, if you set this too loose and know that your jack won’t reach the full 3.5 tons before bypassing, rather than too tight and thus exceeding the jacks rated capacity.

if it is for the rapid lift jack valve, then:
if it is too loose, you won’t have rapid lift. I.e the jack will be slow to raise always.
if it is too tight, the rapid lift will be present, but when it touches a load, it will become much harder/more effort to pump up to lift the load, as it’s still trying to rapid lift the load.
just right is when you have rapid lift, but then the jack slows down its lift when it hits a load allowing for more hydraulic leverage.
here, you are also safer being too loose and losing the rapid lift function, rather than too tight as that could blow the seals in the rapid lift system.

I hope that made sense.

28:40 of this video shows the guy counting the screw rotations to know how tight to make it during re-assembly. Not your jack, but same concept:
 
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