JC23
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Some folks have litterally taken action.
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=d1491582-bb9b-455f-ac22-66f8bd566117
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx?post=d1491582-bb9b-455f-ac22-66f8bd566117
Apparently, we're not the only ones - Cman
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MrMark
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This suggests that Craftsman has been wrongfully marking tools as Made in USA. That would really sting, if true. If have noticed a few discrepancies with Sears lately. For example, I bought a deluxe car cleaning kit that stated Made in USA on the box, yet every item that was marked in the box was marked China. I think that Sears and others as well just play fast and loose with this.
I have noticed more and more items in stores that simply have no marking of COO at all.
I have noticed more and more items in stores that simply have no marking of COO at all.
Steinmetz
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It wouldn't be the first time Sears has engaged in unfair trade practices.
Givl Reggin
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I didn't think judges could take into account things like "nightmare to manage" in reaching a decision?
Just like the cost of incarceration ($40,000+ per year, BTW) can't be taken into account for sentencing.
matt1977
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just another nail in the coffin.....
dirtydogintex
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Everone's already dumped their Sears Holdings stocks?
kythri
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Yeah, someone tried that in Florida, too.
Got smacked down trying to setup a national class-action lawsuit, so he re-filed and tried it at the state level, and got smacked down again.
Unless Sears is making explicit claims of domestic manufacture, it's not going to go anywhere.
Got smacked down trying to setup a national class-action lawsuit, so he re-filed and tried it at the state level, and got smacked down again.
Unless Sears is making explicit claims of domestic manufacture, it's not going to go anywhere.
Brownsfan
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I think it may have to do with the "Americas most trusted tool brand" slogan. While I know that it is just talking about the brand name only but I can see how it can be mis understood
wornoutoldman
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California Judge of course.
class certification. not merits. I won't go into details but there are procedural requirements under federal and state rules (depending where case is pending) concerning whether a class action may be maintained in a particular circumstance. the cert phase is a major hurdle and stepping stone with all sorts of requirements, including having properly defined and manageable classes, and proper class reps.
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RCStocker
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You got that right. California judges think they can write the law.
I spring and Fall in California and winter in Australia and spend summers in Indiana. So California has filthy beaches. You can get sick breathing the sea air. LOL
Reality Sucks
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Well guys after reading this im not shocked. It was anounced a few weeks back that 150 sears stores are closing, The main one in my city is already having its going out of business sale. No more in house warrenty for me if any.
woody 73
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Do you boys think this is the first time that craftsman tried all their bull-****; tell me it ain't so Joe. Back in the 80's they tried the chinese route and the fire storm was overwhelming...So what is new with Sears?
wafrederick
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Tried the Japanese route too,I have one 9/16 Craftsman wrench that is made in Japan.They are still in trouble,the inventor of the bionic wrench says they stole his idea with the new wrench Craftsman has advertised.No lawsuit yet,Craftsman was sued in 1986.They bought a guy's patent for the quick release ratchet in the 1960s and never paid him.
Sears mission statement is rooted in consumer fraud and deception. Weren't they the first that started lying about motor HP ratings based on locked rotor stall speed?
My little 110V 6HP CM shop vac has more HP then your 440VAC 3 phase 2HP Bridgeport machine.
My little 110V 6HP CM shop vac has more HP then your 440VAC 3 phase 2HP Bridgeport machine.
Darrin88
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Just another reason for me to buy up as much vintage craftsman tools at garage sales etc. I think this will just make the vintage stuff in good shape more desirable.
carterbeauford
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so what would everyone in the class get, a free #2 phillips bit?
chris fresh
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i have a full 1/2'' set,3/8'',and 1/4,along with tons of other sockets,exstension,ect.all are 25 years old,i haven't bought one thing from sears in 25 years,except for my new gear wrench set a few weeks ago.who only knows where that's made.but i needed a set,was a great price,and the fit and finish are nicer than my other stuff.
Neuswede
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It will likely take the FTC to bring suit federally if there is any merit. Sears was fined once in the 70's and again around 1997 for fraudulently using Made In USA. Now it is what they aren't telling you that is misleading.
Also, Sears Holdings does not own the Craftsman brand directly. It is held under another holding company, KCD, LLP. There was some who thought that the "D" may have stood for Danaher, but I have never found anything to support an ownership tie. Only that Danaher was the contract manufacturer of alot of the Craftsman line. The filings are made through KCD IP, LLC, with an initial registration for trademark dating back to 1948, long before the existence of LLP's and LLC's. It appears that Sears pays a fee to the holding company for the use of the trademarks. If (when?) Sears fails, it might be possible to spin the brand off more easily instead of entangling it in bankruptcy proceedings.
You can read more about it here.
except for my new gear wrench set a few weeks ago.who only knows where that's made.but i needed a set,was a great price,and the fit and finish are nicer than my other stuff.
Chris: Your Geawrench wrenches are made in Taiwan by Danaher (Apex Tool Group). Danaher recently inked a deal with Bain to sell their tool holdings.
Also, Sears Holdings does not own the Craftsman brand directly. It is held under another holding company, KCD, LLP. There was some who thought that the "D" may have stood for Danaher, but I have never found anything to support an ownership tie. Only that Danaher was the contract manufacturer of alot of the Craftsman line. The filings are made through KCD IP, LLC, with an initial registration for trademark dating back to 1948, long before the existence of LLP's and LLC's. It appears that Sears pays a fee to the holding company for the use of the trademarks. If (when?) Sears fails, it might be possible to spin the brand off more easily instead of entangling it in bankruptcy proceedings.
You can read more about it here.
except for my new gear wrench set a few weeks ago.who only knows where that's made.but i needed a set,was a great price,and the fit and finish are nicer than my other stuff.
Chris: Your Geawrench wrenches are made in Taiwan by Danaher (Apex Tool Group). Danaher recently inked a deal with Bain to sell their tool holdings.
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not sure what the rest of you are reading but I see no accusations of trying to deceive people by labeling imports USA. The lawyer clearly has a vendetta against sears having tried to file lawsuits twice. The primary issue in these lawsuits seems to be with Craftsman using the phrase 'Americas tool brand' when they sell import products. Basically consumers are stupid and a greedy lawyer is trying to fatten his pocket. This is really nothing new, I've read at least half a dozen attempts at this by some hack lawyer in the last 10 years alone. Must of been a slow day for business news.
I bet Ideal would jump all over that contract with their new SK facility. It would be huge for them if they could score that. Sadly the idiots at the helm of Sears clearly have another agenda in mind for Craftsman.
I bet Ideal would jump all over that contract with their new SK facility. It would be huge for them if they could score that. Sadly the idiots at the helm of Sears clearly have another agenda in mind for Craftsman.
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Fyrme
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Why? So you are forced to go buy another reputable brand when the vintage Craftsman gives up the ghost and either Sears is long gone or they replace it with Chineese ****? I plan on slowly weeding out my Crapsman tools. I haven't bought a Cman tool in 10 years. If I want to buy a Chineese tool, I'll go to HF and pay a hell of a lot less. I recently broke a 5 yo Pittsburg allen socket, took it into HF and they replaced it, no questions asked.
As far as Sears farming out their tools to the empire, it's been done before. I had a 5/8" Craftsman wrench that was easily 15 years old that said right on the side "Craftsman Made in China" I just went and looked for it to snap a pic, but I must have pawned that off on someone at some point to get rid of it. And on another little story, Over the summer I was rebuilding my Merc 125hp 2 stroke and was having one heck of a time busting loose the rod bolts. Being a 12pt head, I didn't have a impact socket and didn't want to put a chrome socket on the impact and bust it. So I put a 12pt 3/8" Cman -v- wrench on it with a short cheater and shattered the box end of the wrench. Put my "made in Taiwan" Gear wrench on it. It ended up very slightly bending the gear wrench but it finally busted the bolt loose and got the job done.
Point being, I have been done with Craftsman tools and Sears before it was cool to be done with them
u118224
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If there is an attorney on here you can correct me if I'm wrong, but class action status is only important to the attorneys involved because of the money to be made. It's all about money. The plaintiffs end up with little or nothing.
That is incorrect.
kythri
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Don't forget, they also get the warm-fuzzy that they were part of something important, and it shows those evil corporations that they can't mess with the little guy!
Me, I recently got a whole $8.15 as my share of a class action lawsuit. That sure showed someone, I tell you what.
A few years back, my dad got a coupon for some money off a Briggs & Stratton-powered tool as his settlement/payout in the class action lawsuit regarding B&S over-rating the HP of their motors or some such garbage.
u118224 is right - the only people that benefit from a class action lawsuit are the shyster lawyers. The plaintiffs typically receive virtually nothing, and the defendant just passes the costs onto their customers in the form of higher prices.
lbgradwell
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Kenmore Craftsman DieHard intellectual property...