Architectural/ Commercial quality LED strip lighting

[yeldogt]

My new house has five beams in the center of the Kitchen -- dressed up Collar Ties. The ceilings are 24' and these sit about 10' from the floor.

The top of each beam is around 14' long ... I'm trying to find quality LED lighting that will light up the ceiling. I want around 3k. we can make the trim for the beams higher to hide the fixture. Ideally I want all 5 beams on the same control.

Most of the cheap tape lights will not work .... I need something with the dimmer on the power side.

 

[Bert_]

I've used tape light for that type of thing before. There are drivers that will work with a line voltage dimmer.

The tape is nice because it can be cut in about 2" increments. Sometimes it hard to not have dark areas with prebuilt fixtures, you are limited to the lengths available.

 

[cybrdyke]

I need something with the dimmer on the power side.

Why? You're really limiting your choices with this requirement.
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[Bert_]

I've used these in a ton of kitchens as under cabinet lighting and have used them for uplighting also.

There are what my supplier carries, I'm sure there are other reputable brands out there.
https://www.diodeled.com/blaze-x-led-tape-light.html

https://www.diodeled.com/products/led-power-supplies.html

They have some snap on connectors available that fit the tape. After having a few problems with the connector I quit using them and now solder a lead wire to the tape after it has been cut to length. That is the only problem I have had to date.

There is cheaper tape light on amazon or similar but I would steer away from that. I used some in my parents kitchen and it has noticeably dimmed in 4 years or so.

 

[yeldogt]

Why? You're really limiting your choices with this requirement.
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It seems like there is limitations on load ... I want one dimmer to control all five beams.

The last time I did this it was a long time ago and I had a guy do tubes (only two big beams) ... no dimming .. but it was cool.

The cathedral ceiling in this room is going to be painted wood .... so there will be reflection. I need at most a bright glow.

Ideally -- two 8' foot fixtures for each beam.

 

[yeldogt]

Why? You're really limiting your choices with this requirement.
CD

I'm not seeing how to run 5 beams with around 16' of LEDS -- I want all the beams to work together.

Most of the post controls 24v ... don't work. ??

Do you know of anything?

 

[bdbecker]

What about a multi-channel remote dimmer? Something like this...

https://www.superbrightleds.com/mor...er-receiver-w-magnetic-remote-dock/3333/7138/

Use the switch to turn on the lights, use the remote to tune them to the right level. The linked unit can control just one channel, or all five at the same time. They also make smartphone compatible units that work over bluetooth.

 

[Dustball]

We use Antares LED fixtures quite often on the custom automation machines we build at work and the lights are on a lot longer than you'd find in a building.

http://antareslighting.com/

 

[cybrdyke]

If you used 4 x 1-lamp, no ballast strip with a dimmable LED bulb like this one: https://www.eiko.com/category/1144-t8-dimmable/LED14%5E235WT8!2f48!2f835-DT-PET-G9D, you'll still be under 300 watts for all 5 beams. The dimmers that are compatible are listed on page 2.
That's the only way I can think of to do it with line voltage, keeping it simple, and not break the bank. There are other line voltage dimming products out there, like this one: https://www.liteline.com/supplyimages/WF10001/LED-STR-12WW-SS.pdf, but the amount of pieces, drivers, black boxes, etc., makes this a less than desirable solution.
If you went with 0-10v dimming, a whole bunch of products will work. Here's one from Light Efficient Design: https://assets.led-llc.com/spec-sheets/RP-LBI-Spec_Sheet_Remote.pdf Total watts for all 5 beams at max power would be 500 watts. One Lutron PowPak will drive all of those and then you'd use pico wireless switches, either mounted on the wall or left unmounted. You'd also have the ability to connect wireless motion sensors, daylight sensors, etc....
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[Bert_]

Is there another reason the tape lights are undesirable for you?

Some of the drivers I linked earlier can use a line voltage dimmer.

 

[GrayBeard79]

Here is a well packaged LED linear strip with integrated power supply and dimming on the power side. IP67 rated. Nice part but not cheap. Still, might be worth a look. Check out G&G LED and their GPX luminaries.

Your next problem will be trying to control 5 beams fitted with lights with one switch. The current rating of most conventional wall dimmers is only 150W. That implies that you could only send 30W to each of your beams. I show that G&G 6 foot GPX luminary puts out 3,600L @ 27W each, offered in 4000k and 5000k versions, and is fully dimmable.

 

[dcg9381]

We're having a home built and I'm using a custom cabinet maker. All this guy does is cabinets and he does some homes that are far beyond mine.

What he uses for LED strip is HERE. He mounts the LEDs in aluminum channel from this source.

The LED drivers that he's had good luck with are dimmable, not cheap - but they offer units with multiple outputs. I didn't buy these, I used a $200 alternative with single outputs, but here is what he recommends: Environmental Lighting - I believe these have both line and 1-10v dimmer options.



We're doing under cabinet, over cabinet, stairwell, and a few other lights. Most of this I have tied into an AV room and I'll control via simple Alexa-based outlet switches. For things that I don't want on a dimmer, I use a simple resistor on the low voltage side to set how much light I want. The cabinets are on dimmers.

 

[loganb]

If you use LED strips, I echo the prior comment and don't screw with solderless connectors. Made the mistake of solderless on my kitchen lighting, uneven lighting level as the run went on and periodic flickering. Started soldering the joints and it was all fixed.

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[yeldogt]

If you used 4 x 1-lamp, no ballast strip with a dimmable LED bulb like this one: https://www.eiko.com/category/1144-t8-dimmable/LED14%5E235WT8!2f48!2f835-DT-PET-G9D, you'll still be under 300 watts for all 5 beams. The dimmers that are compatible are listed on page 2.
That's the only way I can think of to do it with line voltage, keeping it simple, and not break the bank. There are other line voltage dimming products out there, like this one: https://www.liteline.com/supplyimages/WF10001/LED-STR-12WW-SS.pdf, but the amount of pieces, drivers, black boxes, etc., makes this a less than desirable solution.
If you went with 0-10v dimming, a whole bunch of products will work. Here's one from Light Efficient Design: https://assets.led-llc.com/spec-sheets/RP-LBI-Spec_Sheet_Remote.pdf Total watts for all 5 beams at max power would be 500 watts. One Lutron PowPak will drive all of those and then you'd use pico wireless switches, either mounted on the wall or left unmounted. You'd also have the ability to connect wireless motion sensors, daylight sensors, etc....
CD

The first link does not work ?

 

[yeldogt]

We're having a home built and I'm using a custom cabinet maker. All this guy does is cabinets and he does some homes that are far beyond mine.

What he uses for LED strip is HERE. He mounts the LEDs in aluminum channel from this source.

The LED drivers that he's had good luck with are dimmable, not cheap - but they offer units with multiple outputs. I didn't buy these, I used a $200 alternative with single outputs, but here is what he recommends: Environmental Lighting - I believe these have both line and 1-10v dimmer options.



We're doing under cabinet, over cabinet, stairwell, and a few other lights. Most of this I have tied into an AV room and I'll control via simple Alexa-based outlet switches. For things that I don't want on a dimmer, I use a simple resistor on the low voltage side to set how much light I want. The cabinets are on dimmers.

Thanks ....

 

[yeldogt]

I'm going to try and call a couple places --- I had the guys run Romex to each beam back to the mechanical room. Ran the romex with 2 control wires for 0-10v dimmers in hopes of going that direction.

My goal is to have a strong glow -- if I can do better -- great. The ceiling is going to be nickel gap wood -- going to have some reflection vs sheetrock. There will be other "task" lighting as it's a kitchen .... but, I know from doing other spaces this type of light is nice and used most of the time.

I have a huge stock of xenon 24v 5w bulbs for my beach house -- have the old Seagull strips with huge transformers in the basement.

 

[cybrdyke]

The first link does not work ?

Sorry.
Try this one: https://www.eiko.com/category/1144-t8-dimmable/list