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Are 4" Surface Boxes worth it?

dscheidt

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How hard is it to bend EMT? i.e. how much should I plan to **** up?
It’s not hard, but it’s not easy either. It takes practice, and it depends on what your tolerance for less than perfect is. Simple bends are pretty easy once you get the hang of it, what’s complicated are pipes with multiple bends, it’s easy to do one backwards. (Bending a wire into the right shape can be helpful.) You can cut the pipe, rotate it, and use a coupling to fix that, some people are okay with that everywhere, some nowhere, some only where they won’t see it every day.

Get a copy of Jack Benfield's book, and read it, along with watching youtube conduit bending stuff. Also, remember that one of the big advantages of surface mount conduit is that you can easily add on later....
 
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dscheidt

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saw a building the other day that the conduit runs bordered on artwork, evenly spaced on both the straights and turns. The guy who did it was obviously a pro I’d guess his drop pieces for the job would probably fit in one hand.
There are some truly amazing conduit benders out there. The office building I used to work in was in an old factory, and had a central electircal room. Bunch of 1" emt ran from it to each suite, and the first set of bends where the pipes turned left or right were just amazing. Everything was evenly spaced, and the bends were all concentric, even though the radii were all different.
 

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Nothing will take the place of experience as well as being shown how to bend conduit but the Benfield manual is pretty good. The utmost important thing is to plan out the runs so you don't wind up having to cross pipes.

 

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Not worth it unless you just have money you need to get rid of. Box offsets are the easiest bend and takes about 15 seconds to make one with a hand bender.

But this is GJ, so if your wallet is too full and you can't sit even, then go for it.
For a job like this they definitely aren't worth the cost but they do have their place. One example I can give from my own experience was a job where I had a whole bunch of boxes set exactly 20' apart center to center (probably 400' worth, maybe more, but if it was less it wasn't much). Going through a bundle of pipe at a time after setting box #1, I would press a box offset on the end of each stick of pipe then starting out with a 10' stick on a box cut 4" off the next, couple them together and put a box on and repeat. This was on a 16' ceiling and I was done with the conduit in less than two hours. That may not have paid for the bender on that job, but with the time savings considered came pretty close to breaking even. They are nice for multiple pipes coming out of one box as well since everything will be the same. Box offsets are pretty easy to bend, but when there are three of them within a few inches of each other and one bend is just a little bit different than the others it looks like ****.

I also have the Rackatiers Hoppy benders for making saddles and offsets that need to be perfect; those are nice but unfortunately for me I keep them in the shop next to the Kickers and usually don't have either one with when I want them. I also have seen that Ideal is making a bender similar to the Hoppy.


Once again, I don't think either one of them could be justified for one job like this.
 
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The Little Kickers have gotten rather expensive over the years, paid $189* for my 1/2",& $10 for a 3/4" at a yard sale that a electrical contractor was having up in Paradise, CA before the Camp Fire.

*See that they are over $300 now. (n)
 
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@VietGnome where exactly are you?

I can't believe you can't to any homeowner electrical work
I'm in New Brunswick.

Seems the only person that can apply for an electrician permit is a licensed electrician.

I feel like it's pretty counter intuitive because the province has a reputation for shoddy unpermitted work.
 
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I'm in New Brunswick.

Seems the only person that can apply for an electrician permit is a licensed electrician.

I feel like it's pretty counter intuitive because the province has a reputation for shoddy unpermitted work.

It does seem that way. Is energie NB power a government entity? If not, seems odd to have them manage the permit process
 

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@VietGnome where exactly are you?

I can't believe you can't to any homeowner electrical work
You can do your own electrical work……… Just don’t get caught! :LOL:

The problem I have with the "contractor only" permit application process is that it forces homeowners to go "underground" to avoid electrical inspections and do shoddy work that may not meet code.
IMHO any homeowner should be able to obtain a permit and inspection for "minor work" in their the home they live in.
 
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You can do your own electrical work……… Just don’t get caught! :LOL:

The problem I have with the "contractor only" permit application process is that it forces homeowners to go "underground" to avoid electrical inspections and do shoddy work that may not meet code.
IMHO any homeowner should be able to obtain a permit and inspection for "minor work" in their the home they live in.
I completely agree.

I don't want to deal with the hastle of unpermitted work and running into issues with insurance, the building inspector reporting, etc.

Since I'm going surface mounted with EMT I can do the minimal (outlets and lights), get inspected and approved, then add on my own as required.
 
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