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I put in a European address and the shipping isn't bad for the stuff that is offering international shipping. I know Ebay consolidates shipping between Europe and America so they ship them by the container load between ports.

As others have said, if you don't want collectors quality craftsman stuff, you should be able to get a deal on Ebay. I think you should be able to find a lot to get a set of combination wrenches and maybe a open end or box end set.
 
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I like the V series 1/2 drive standard ratchet, the impact sockets, and the click type torque wrench, all from Lowes.
 

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There is no way I will buy a Craftsman tool after the whole SBD catfish USA made hard line tools BS. I am rethinking any purchase from any of their companies. I have plenty of DeWalt stuff but his whole debacle has really soured me on the brand. I realize that they still do make stuff in the U.S. but this just bothers me. I have been patiently waiting for another USA made tool option and they led me on for way too long.

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There is no way I will buy a Craftsman tool after the whole SBD catfish USA made hard line tools BS. I am rethinking any purchase from any of their companies. I have plenty of DeWalt stuff but his whole debacle has really soured me on the brand. I realize that they still do make stuff in the U.S. but this just bothers me. I have been patiently waiting for another USA made tool option and they led me on for way too long.

James
I have no interest in SBD Craftsman tools, but I have zero problems with DeWalt and Proto. DeWalt is the only major power tool brand that offers anything that's made in the USA, even if it is with global components. Still more than what anyone else is doing. Proto has a wide range of US tools, and are very high quality.

I have similar negative feelings towards Apex and Ideal, who have done just as much, probably more damage to US manufacturing.
 
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Well, finally decided and took the plunge. Ordered a set of Williams wrenches and bondhus allen keys in SAE, Klein combo-tip screwdriver set, a Proto XL pear head ratchet in 3/8", a Williams 3" extension for it, a Proto 6" extension, 10 inch Eagle Grips, a Fluke 107 and some small Channellocks.

Looking forward to some USA tools. Mainly wanted to pick specific things that are really good and unique (like the combo drivers).

I paid ~420$, 50$ for shipping and 110$ for imports.

A bit much... But the price of uniqueness in Europe, at least I pay a bit less for PB Swiss, Wera and Hazet... :)
I think a lot of the stuff like the Fluke 107 would cost a bit more here anyway, so it kind of evens out.
 
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Well, finally decided and took the plunge. Ordered a set of Williams wrenches and bondhus allen keys in SAE, Klein combo-tip screwdriver set, a Proto XL pear head ratchet in 3/8", a Williams 3" extension for it, a Proto 6" extension, 10 inch Eagle Grips, a Fluke 107 and some small Channellocks.

Looking forward to some USA tools. Mainly wanted to pick specific things that are really good and unique (like the combo drivers).

I paid ~420$, 50$ for shipping and 110$ for imports.

A bit much... But the price of uniqueness in Europe, at least I pay a bit less for PB Swiss, Wera and Hazet... :)
I think a lot of the stuff like the Fluke 107 would cost a bit more here anyway, so it kind of evens out.
Good thing @dnschmidt didn't get the law changed. You were cutting it close.
 

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Who are the two largest USA tool manufacturers in the USA? I’m thinking they are different depending if you look at unit volume or dollar volume, because of the distribution systems.
 

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Williams was a smart choice. They performed very well. In case it ever comes up again, I never liked my craftsman raised panels, but SK made their fully polished “professional“ models. Bought them for my brother and he thought they were ok. They had a distinctive look.

Not sure what it is about black, I like my black oxide finished Snap On wrenches and might have chosen something like that if I were you. They really feel different in your hand.
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Not sure what it is about black, I like my black oxide finished Snap On wrenches and might have chosen something like that if I were you. They really feel different in your hand.
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The really nice thing about the black oxide finish, is that it makes it easier for us old guys to read the size. ;)
 
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Williams was a smart choice. They performed very well. In case it ever comes up again, I never liked my craftsman raised panels, but SK made their fully polished “professional“ models. Bought them for my brother and he thought they were ok. They had a distinctive look.

Not sure what it is about black, I like my black oxide finished Snap On wrenches and might have chosen something like that if I were you. They really feel different in your hand.
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I'd surely want to grab some snap on stuff (those needle nose pliers everyone likes to talk about), but it seems hard to order them online. There are no Snap On dealers on my part of the world...
 

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I'd surely want to grab some snap on stuff (those needle nose pliers everyone likes to talk about), but it seems hard to order them online. There are no Snap On dealers on my part of the world...
Where might that be?

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The really nice thing about the black oxide finish, is that it makes it easier for us old guys to read the size. ;)
That’s my crayon trick. I do this to sockets and Allen wrenches too. Just rub crayon into the stampings then wipe off the excess. Crayon is obviously wax, nothing sticks to it, so you can wipe it clean, it’s easily removable and repairable.
 

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That’s my crayon trick. I do this to sockets and Allen wrenches too. Just rub crayon into the stampings then wipe off the excess. Crayon is obviously wax, nothing sticks to it, so you can wipe it clean, it’s easily removable and repairable.
Hmmn...haven't tried crayons. I've been using those ultra-fine paint markers that you can pick up at the hobby stores.

Might have to give that a try.

Thanks!
 
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Where might that be?

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Slovenia. Try pressing on some of those links and you'll see most of them are not functioning. Majority of their representatives don't sell the hand tools either (they sell other workshop equipment), and also not to private customers at all. The site for Germany and Italy works but you can't order anything, I've even sent them emails but they do not even respond.
 

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Slovenia. Try pressing on some of those links and you'll see most of them are not functioning. Majority of their representatives don't sell the hand tools either (they sell other workshop equipment), and also not to private customers at all. The site for Germany and Italy works but you can't order anything, I've even sent them emails but they do not even respond.
Slovenia? Cease and desist your tool hunt and start looking for Porsche 356s in barns. Send a couple of those to California and you’ll have enough mad money to buy any tool you could ever want.
 
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Slovenia. Try pressing on some of those links and you'll see most of them are not functioning. Majority of their representatives don't sell the hand tools either (they sell other workshop equipment), and also not to private customers at all. The site for Germany and Italy works but you can't order anything, I've even sent them emails but they do not even respond.
Yikes! What are you doing there?
 
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Slovenia? Cease and desist your tool hunt and start looking for Porsche 356s in barns. Send a couple of those to California and you’ll have enough mad money to buy any tool you could ever want.
Interestingly enough, my friend collects and restores those. A bit out of my price range though. I've been to Gmünd a few times, where the first 356 models were made. It's actually a quite Slovene town (Sovodenj in our language).

Yikes! What are you doing there?

Born here :)

I think Slovenia is great. Culturally and historically very central European, but small enough to pass unnoticed by tourists and immigrants. In a day I can go to a trip to Vienna or to Venice and be back at home to sleep. But of course those famous tourist destinations are a lot less interesting if you actually live near them...
 

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Interestingly enough, my friend collects and restores those. A bit out of my price range though. I've been to Gmünd a few times, where the first 356 models were made. It's actually a quite Slovene town (Sovodenj in our language).



Born here :)

I think Slovenia is great. Culturally and historically very central European, but small enough to pass unnoticed by tourists and immigrants. In a day I can go to a trip to Vienna or to Venice and be back at home to sleep. But of course those famous tourist destinations are a lot less interesting if you actually live near them...
That's how I feel about the giant rocking chair.
 

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Interestingly enough, my friend collects and restores those. A bit out of my price range though. I've been to Gmünd a few times, where the first 356 models were made. It's actually a quite Slovene town (Sovodenj in our language).



Born here :)

I think Slovenia is great. Culturally and historically very central European, but small enough to pass unnoticed by tourists and immigrants. In a day I can go to a trip to Vienna or to Venice and be back at home to sleep. But of course those famous tourist destinations are a lot less interesting if you actually live near them...

Interesting. I don't know that I've ever met anyone from there.

Never been to Europe, but my boy is going to Florence and Vienna in a few weeks with his choir.

What's the best thing to bring back from Vienna?
 

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I’m European, but I don’t know much about Slovenia. I know it has lots of mountains and forests. Not many people (just looked it up: 2 million).

But I do know Slovenia is the home of Unior tools. Unior has huge, impressive forges. In addition to hand tools, Unior forges a lot of components for the big European car companies.

If more Americans knew how good Unior steel was, there might be some interest in organising an exchange of Unior tools for Snap-on to solve the respective availability problems … (I’m in the Netherlands where it’s also almost impossible to buy Snap-on hand tools.)
 

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What's the best thing to bring back from Vienna?
Pay attention! 356s!

I remember taking a class trip in high school and returning with fabulous Swiss chocolate bars called Lindt milch bars, only to find them in every US grocery and on the counter in every pharmacy.
 
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Interesting. I don't know that I've ever met anyone from there.

Never been to Europe, but my boy is going to Florence and Vienna in a few weeks with his choir.

What's the best thing to bring back from Vienna?

Uh that's tough to say - I mean, there's souvenirs, but in terms of more practical value there's not much I'd go specifically to Vienna to find.

That said, it's one of the cultural centres of the world. Amazing arhitecture, and of course various cultural events and classical music... Also, maybe nothing that you could *only* get in Vienna, but there's every shop you could think of there. From Redwing shoes to Kiton botiques...

What always amazed me most in Vienna is the public transport. It's ~12€ for a weekend pass, and you can hop on the busses, the tram, the ubahn subway... 5 minutes and you're on the other side of the city. There's always some form of public transport near you. And it's all so very clean and organized.

Bad thing is that restrooms are all paid. A bit of a cliche in Europe. The bathrooms are always paid in more touristy areas.

By the way, many Gedore tools are made in their Austrian factory. In general, if something is Austrian made, it's usually really well made. Just prejudice/expectation, but I'd put Austrian products in quality somewhere under Swiss made but above German made... And Italian products are a wild card, it can be very good or chinese-grade. For example, Mercedes makes most of their SUVs in Germany, but the G-wagen is in fact made by Puch in Austria (and over here they are not branded as Mercedes, but as Puch). I think Puch is located in Graz. In fact Graz used to also be a very Slovene town (Gradec), and Puch was founded by a Slovene inventor Janez Puh (Johannes Puch). So, our history is very mixed, but the borders fell as they did after WW2... Puch may also be known in the USA by the moped Puch Maxi they made in the 70's. And before that some very very quirky motorcycles like the Sears Allstate 250 "Twingle". It's a split-single two stroke engine, single "cylinder" with two pistons, really interesting concept that worked rather well for its time. Of course it was only branded Sears in the US, here's it's the Puch 250 TF or SG or SGS...

Maybe check the Bauhaus for some stuff. PB Swiss is also typically way more expensive in the USA but I'm not sure if he'll find it in the Bauhaus. Certainly they'll have some Wera and Knipex.

Yeah his English is better than most of ours.

Thanks, that is always nice to hear :)
Actually recently also got a girlfriend who's an expat from South Africa (their country has lots of problems, not a good place to be a white resident at the moment so a lot of them are leaving). She's practically native in English, so I use it a lot (in fact her native language is Afrikaans, which is a weird Dutch dialect, but she always also used English cause there's so many languages used in South Africa).

I’m European, but I don’t know much about Slovenia. I know it has lots of mountains and forests. Not many people (just looked it up: 2 million).

But I do know Slovenia is the home of Unior tools. Unior has huge, impressive forges. In addition to hand tools, Unior forges a lot of components for the big European car companies.

If more Americans knew how good Unior steel was, there might be some interest in organising an exchange of Unior tools for Snap-on to solve the respective availability problems … (I’m in the Netherlands where it’s also almost impossible to buy Snap-on hand tools.)
Yes I think over half the country is forest which is a lot for Europe (and also I think the last central European country with relatively large populations of wild bears and wolves).

Unior is good for sure. Their main buisness today is actually forging crankshafts and conrods for all kinds of European cars (from Italian sportscars to Audis...). Yes the metal industry is really strong here, lots of stuff is made for the German car industry, for all of them but I think especially a lot for BMW.

But today Unior makes great regular wrenches and sockets. And decent cabinets. I'd stay away from most other stuff, I am never sure because some of it isn't as good as it once was and I know they rebrand some Taiwan tools too (in general the stuff with laser etched markings is best avoided, but if it is stamped/forged branding then it's typically good quality). The ratchets are really crude - they work, but I've been spoiled after I tried some snap on and nepros stuff...
 
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in Europe, the VAT is so high, many times it rivals the cost of import, so Europeans pay what we pay. Sometimes their stuff is cheaper here.
Yes VAT is usually 15-25% depending on the country. It is always included in the price you see in a store.

Not sure if it is still like that, but I heard that for US buyers, if you keep the receipt you get the VAT back at the airport. Odd thing from my perspective (why don't foreigners need to pay the same tax if they buy stuff here?), but it certainly makes things really cheap in that case.

Also, some things simply are cheaper. I'm quite amazed how pricey some PB Swiss stuff can be in the USA.

Also I've noticed for appliances like Electrolux or Bosch or Miele. Yes Miele is considered high end here and they're pricey but not as pricey as in the US. Bosch and Electrolux are more mid-grade I think? Or at least one step below Miele...
 

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Pay attention! 356s!

I too lived in Europe (uk). I don’t think there’s tons of things that you can’t get in the US. I think in Asia there are black market items, especially electronics, people used to try to import. I had exactly one such item, a DVD player with a hacked region code that let me rent or play dvds from anywhere. Then there’s all the counterfeit stuff. Nike, etc.

in Europe, the VAT is so high, many times it rivals the cost of import, so Europeans pay what we pay. Sometimes their stuff is cheaper here.

I remember taking a class trip in high school and returning with fabulous Swiss chocolate bars called Lindt milch bars, only to find them in my local grocery and on the counter in the pharmacy.
Yeah, duties are high here as well. Domestic stuff is pretty cheap, imported stuff is high.

People do not realize how great the market is in the US. All the high-quality stuff seems to be cheaper in the US.
 

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Uh that's tough to say - I mean, there's souvenirs, but in terms of more practical value there's not much I'd go specifically to Vienna to find.

That said, it's one of the cultural centres of the world. Amazing arhitecture, and of course various cultural events and classical music... Also, maybe nothing that you could *only* get in Vienna, but there's every shop you could think of there. From Redwing shoes to Kiton botiques...

What always amazed me most in Vienna is the public transport. It's ~12€ for a weekend pass, and you can hop on the busses, the tram, the ubahn subway... 5 minutes and you're on the other side of the city. There's always some form of public transport near you. And it's all so very clean and organized.

Bad thing is that restrooms are all paid. A bit of a cliche in Europe. The bathrooms are always paid in more touristy areas.

By the way, many Gedore tools are made in their Austrian factory. In general, if something is Austrian made, it's usually really well made. Just prejudice/expectation, but I'd put Austrian products in quality somewhere under Swiss made but above German made... And Italian products are a wild card, it can be very good or chinese-grade. For example, Mercedes makes most of their SUVs in Germany, but the G-wagen is in fact made by Puch in Austria (and over here they are not branded as Mercedes, but as Puch). I think Puch is located in Graz. In fact Graz used to also be a very Slovene town (Gradec), and Puch was founded by a Slovene inventor Janez Puh (Johannes Puch). So, our history is very mixed, but the borders fell as they did after WW2... Puch may also be known in the USA by the moped Puch Maxi they made in the 70's. And before that some very very quirky motorcycles like the Sears Allstate 250 "Twingle". It's a split-single two stroke engine, single "cylinder" with two pistons, really interesting concept that worked rather well for its time. Of course it was only branded Sears in the US, here's it's the Puch 250 TF or SG or SGS...

Maybe check the Bauhaus for some stuff. PB Swiss is also typically way more expensive in the USA but I'm not sure if he'll find it in the Bauhaus. Certainly they'll have some Wera and Knipex.



Thanks, that is always nice to hear :)
Actually recently also got a girlfriend who's an expat from South Africa (their country has lots of problems, not a good place to be a white resident at the moment so a lot of them are leaving). She's practically native in English, so I use it a lot (in fact her native language is Afrikaans, which is a weird Dutch dialect, but she always also used English cause there's so many languages used in South Africa).


Yes I think over half the country is forest which is a lot for Europe (and also I think the last central European country with relatively large populations of wild bears and wolves).

Unior is good for sure. Their main buisness today is actually forging crankshafts and conrods for all kinds of European cars (from Italian sportscars to Audis...). Yes the metal industry is really strong here, lots of stuff is made for the German car industry, for all of them but I think especially a lot for BMW.

But today Unior makes great regular wrenches and sockets. And decent cabinets. I'd stay away from most other stuff, I am never sure because some of it isn't as good as it once was and I know they rebrand some Taiwan tools too (in general the stuff with laser etched markings is best avoided, but if it is stamped/forged branding then it's typically good quality). The ratchets are really crude - they work, but I've been spoiled after I tried some snap on and nepros stuff...
Thanks for the tip on the weekend pass...
 

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Yes VAT is usually 15-25% depending on the country. It is always included in the price you see in a store.

Not sure if it is still like that, but I heard that for US buyers, if you keep the receipt you get the VAT back at the airport. Odd thing from my perspective (why don't foreigners need to pay the same tax if they buy stuff here?), but it certainly makes things really cheap in that case.

Also, some things simply are cheaper. I'm quite amazed how pricey some PB Swiss stuff can be in the USA.

Also I've noticed for appliances like Electrolux or Bosch or Miele. Yes Miele is considered high end here and they're pricey but not as pricey as in the US. Bosch and Electrolux are more mid-grade I think? Or at least one step below Miele...

Tourists can get VAT refunds when the leave Thailand as well. The thinking is that it's an export, and like most any export, duty will be collected at the other end.

Charging VAT on exports would make it really hard to sell anything.
 

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Back to the original question !

No, new Craftsman tools are NOT "WORTH IT" ! The only thing good is that you can buy "extended range" sockets and wrenches that did not come with your set. ACE Hardware will warranty broken hand tools if that tool is available. Some replacements may have to be ordered. Not sure about Lowes.

Sadly, used Craftsman wrenches and sockets are being sold for STUPID MONEY on eBay !
 

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I love Craftsman USA tools and will admit that I’m a huge sucker for them. The newer stuff isn’t the worst I’ve used but not the best either and that’s my opinion from using them in a shop daily as well as at home a ton too. I like things like their sockets which are currently made in Taiwan when Lowes first had them they were China. I’ve got a few of both. The Taiwan are noticeably better quality. The wrenches only the Gunmetal are good. The other ones aren’t. The screwdrivers meh they don’t hold up in a professional setting well and also the hard acetate handles don’t feel the same as the old USA ones. Their modern ratchets are extremely overpriced. What I did was when I wanted to try their ratchets I waited for Ace Hardware in my area to have their New Year’s and Fourth of July sales and I got a couple of the Gunmetal ones and they are great however i would not pay full price for them there are plenty of other options to be had if I’m going to spend that money on a ratchet.

I’ve picked up a few individual tools here and there from Lowe’s but my preference is to go to an auto parts store and get stuff. I’ve found the parts stores have came along way with their tool standards. And generally for individual stuff at least they are a buck or two cheaper than Lowes. My parts store preference is Auto Zone Duralast tools. They are really good despite being made in China. Their ratchets are extremely nice and way better priced than Craftsman and the warranty is very easy too especially when I know several people who work at the store. I’ve really put a lot of force on some of their tools and have yet to break anything. I’ve bent and broke several Craftsman Chinese tools. Most of which I’ve just thrown in my tote of broken tools and gotten better stuff for. However O’Reilly Auto Parts wrenches are made in India and leave a lot to be desired their sockets are top and you can’t beat them but the wrenches from there avoid go to any other parts store for them. Napa by far has the nicest tools but they think they are the gold standard and charge way too much for them. So in the end no new Craftsman stuff isn’t worth the money when you have auto parts stores and pawn shops with better prices. I go to my pawn shop and fill up a box for $20 so can’t beat that.
 
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