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Are there roller bearings on Jig saws now??

oldpops

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Hello all. I was trying to cut through two 3/4" inch thick pieces of plywood, stacked on top of each other, and no matter what I did the blade would wander. First of all, my jigsaw is many, many years old and vibrates enough to blast out a kidney stone (if I had any) or remove a dental filling. So it's hard to hold flat, not to mention straight. Secondly, even with putting up some (wood) guides on the side of the jigsaw, the blade travels a bit off the cut line. Major frustration. I've spent money on good blades but I think it's time to retire this tool and get a replacement. Haven't bought a jig saw in 30 years so I am guessing there are some out there with some very helpful features. My neighbor said they have some jigsaws now with 'roller guide bearings" or some device that does pretty much the same thing (Like on a band saw?). Of course, my neighbor, who does nothing, acts like he knows everything. So I thought I would come here for some real knowledge and advice. Are that jigsaws out there now that can pretty much eliminate the pitfalls of the 'traveling blade' of my current, and vey old, jigsaw? Do they have features like roller guide bearings? What are some good jigsaws that people here would recommend, hopefully saws that aren't TOO expensive. As always, thanks in advance for all help, suggestions and advice!!
 
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Bosch jigsaws have had that feature for 30ish years, and others have it more recently as well. I still have a Bosch barrel grip jigsaw from the 90's myself and it still works as good today as it did all those years ago. Quality tool for sure... If I ever had to replace it, I might look at Festool since I'm already invested in that platform for other woodworking tools.
 

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I think cutting through 1 1/2" of plywood with a jigsaw is just asking a lot. A variable speed saw, with an extra wide blade going very slow would probably do a decent job. But at that point, there are probably better tools for the job.
 

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It's not an inexpensive option but 1 1/2" thickness is certainly child's play for the Carvex, especially if it's precision you desire...
 

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Yeah, my DeWalt from the late 90s has a roller guide, single roller with a slot in the outer race to guide the blade. Helps and would probably do reasonably well on a 90deg cut, but any angle off 90 would be a no go.
 
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In my mind that is the wrong tool for the job. You have a blade that is flexable and will be deflected to the path of least resistance by the voids, knots, and various grain structures of the layers of wood that make up the plys.

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1-1/2" of plywood is no problem for a modern jigsaw. Use a 6tpi blade and set the saw for orbital action. With the right blade and full orbital you can even rip 2x4's.
 

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oldpops

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Thanks everyone. Since I don't have any kidney stones or dental fillings I want vibrated out of my body, I thing it's time for a new jig saw. However, my son also pointed out to me: "Dad, you're old & not as strong as you used to be" so perhaps that is a part of the problem. One of the worst things to face in life is finding out I can't do the things I used to do before. But, I guess I'm hardheaded because I am still going to try.
 

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I have a Bosch and it’s a great jigsaw. But @larry_g is right - even with the support the Bosch provides the blade is still flexible and it can be moved by knots, etc. If vertical cuts are important you would be better off with a bandsaw or a scroll saw.
 

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Hey all things are relative, I bet the difference of a proper jigsaw with a proper blade will add years to your life, I can't see me aging out on it, excluding vision.
 

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If you purchase a Bosch jigsaw, make sure to purchase whatever the top of the line model jigsaw Bosch is currently selling.
The lower end versions may not be bad, but they’re usually not made to the same quality level.
Barrel grip versus top handle is a personal choice. Barrel grip is usually better for fine control.
Top handle is better for holding onto the jigsaw for awkward cuts, and you can usually vary the blade oscillating speed with the top handle trigger, which you can’t do with barrel grip jigsaws, which simple have an off/on switch, and a separate speed control dial.
The current top of the line Bosch jigsaws are the JS572EK and JS572EBK.
The EK is a top handle jigsaw.
The EBK is a barrel grip jigsaw.
I believe both of these jigsaw models have rollers that run alongside the blade like Euro bandsaw guides, to prevent blade deflection.
I don’t believe Bosch makes a cordless version of either of these, or if they do, Bosch doesn’t sell it in the US.

Festool was the manufacturer who I think started the “precision” jigsaw, with side guides trend. This was at least two or three decades ago, when Festool was called Festo.
The two major jigsaw lines from Festool are the Trion, which was basically Festools 3rd major revision of their side blade guide jigsaws, which Festool has kept in production,
And the Carvex, which is basically version 4 of Festool’s side blade guide jigsaws.
The Trion models are only available in a corded saw, and are available in both a barrel grip, and a top handle model.
The Carvex model is available in both top handle and barrel grip versions, and both corded and cordless versions of both those styles.
The Trion models are likely more solidly built, with more durable drive trains, and I would argue, a better blade clamp mechanism and side guide design.
The Carvex has interchangeable bases for added versatility, and some other specialty attachments.
The Trion was kept around because there were some major issues with the Carvex when it first came out, and a version 2 or 3 was needed before a lot of the major issues disappeared.
This video shows the blade guides on the Festool saws.

The other major contender for a very precise jigsaw is the P1cc jigsaw made by Mafell.
The Mafell jigsaw costs an arm, a leg, and a testicle.
Unlike the top of the line Bosch jigsaws, and the Festool jigsaws, the Mafell doesn’t use side blade guides.
The blade plunger is precisely plunged without even a back roller like is found on most jigsaws.
Mafell claims the lack of the back roller helps prevent deflection that can be caused by the back roller bearing.
Mafell makes one or more special jigsaw blade models that will only work in the P1cc jigsaw, although the P1cc will also take standard Bosch T-shank jigsaw blades.
The special Mafell blades are made extra thick and stiff, with a heavily taper ground design.
Like the Festool jigsaws, the Mafell jigsaw can be used with a cutting guide (in this case the Mafell tracks for their plunge cut circular saws) and also a parallel guide and I think circle cutter, and angled extension base.

Their aren’t as many soecial accessories for the Mafell P1cc jigsaw as there are for the Festool Carvex jigsaws.
There are more special accessories for the Mafell P1cc than there are for the Festool Trion jigsaws.
Bosch likely just offers a parallel guide and circle guide, and maybe a steel base insert, which the Festool Trion lacks as an offering.
 
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oldpops

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HOLY ****! Thanks 'neophyte" for the info on the jig saw. I had no idea that the science & development of jig saws has really increased since I bought a jig saw (some 30 years ago). This all pretty fascinating stuff! Of course, I am an old senior stuck at home so I haven't gotten out much in the last 5 years (except for church and the doctor) butI do appreciate everyone's help and advice !
 
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