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I don't get the issue with SAE tools? My box is probably 50/50 SAE and Metric, you can't have one without the other these days. Cars, trucks, and heavy equipment still very much use both.
Virtually all cars made since the 90's are mainly or entirely metric. My box is essentially 100% metric with some SAE wrenches in the "family kit" in the back of the garage that haven't been used in years along with some SAE sockets that came in a kit that was both.

There's not any "issue" at all - they're just less and less generally used unless you're working on older stuff or aircraft, and thus command slightly lower prices in general.


I wouldn't call a box and tools mostly from the early 2000's vintage, most are identical to what you would buy now.
Agree - that's not vintage. They should sell for pretty good money IMHO.
 
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From what you posted, only daughter, guy was a pushover with the late wife, almost guaranteed the daughter is used to dad doing what she wants, she has no interest in anything the dad has or does, she wants everything ready so when dad dies the place can be cleaned up and sold fast, so is selling or dumping it all.
I bet in her mind if an item isn't worth a lot or sells fast, its junk and should just be thrown out.

Late December to February is the worst time to sell stuff as its the part of the year which is financially hardest on the population, but an as new Snap on wrench set should have sold at $99 with 16 shipping.

Used SAE is cheaper than metric because the supply of good quality used tools far outstrips the demand for them, on Ebay there is tons of it and often nice little used sets with low start price auctions that go cheap.
 

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Virtually all cars made since the 90's are mainly or entirely metric. My box is essentially 100% metric with some SAE wrenches in the "family kit" in the back of the garage that haven't been used in years along with some SAE sockets that came in a kit that was both.

There's not any "issue" at all - they're just less and less generally used unless you're working on older stuff or aircraft, and thus command slightly lower prices in general. ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd



Agree - that's not vintage. They should sell for pretty good money IMHO.

For a mechanic I can see that. I run into lots of SAE nuts and bolts on other things, so I'll always want both in my general tool box.
 

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For a mechanic I can see that. I run into lots of SAE nuts and bolts on other things, so I'll always want both in my general tool box.
I get it - I'm not bad-mouthing SAE (well... I wasn't until a couple sentences from now). It exists, and is necessary for a working pro especially. As a fairly active DIY guy in both my household and (currently) maintaining the five family vehicles, I just haven't needed it in years, and I think I'm relatively mainstream in that respect. If that's true, along with the metric conversion that's happened broadly in the car industry and others, there's less demand for SAE than for metric. I really would love to see metric finally become the universal system, though I know that's unlikely in the next 30+ years.
 

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I have an older neighbor who used to be a dealer mechanic.

More recently, around Jan. or early Feb. she listed a super clean 13pc combination wrench set, 1/4 to 1" long profile, Snap On chrome wrenches on fleabay. When I saw she listed them at only $100, I cringed thinking she was going be giving all his stuff away by starting the bid so low
But they didn't sell. Not a single bid. The sale was auction style, with no reserve, and she started it at $99.99. (I dug through his receipts and he paid $720 for that set back in 1995. It was still in its original plastic box and likely never used).
I find that VERY hard to believe.
Not one bid?
My BS meter is off the chart
Why is the OP avoiding giving the daughter's eBay handle or a link to this past auction, if the past auction even happened?

How about it OP?
This is not the first request

Yeah that’s ********. My 1997 Snap-on catalog price list shows $368.45 for set OEX711B sizes 3/8”-1”

Add the 1/4” & 5/16” combos the total comes to $412.15
The OP dug through the ole guy's receipts and says he paid $720 for that set in 1995??
Once again, VERY hard to believe.
I have to agree with redwrench on this

For a second time, please tell us the daughter's eBay seller name.
We can check those listings and figure out if she's:

evil
greedy or
simply inept
or....

Without a way to verify any of this is true, I believe this story is indeed a Creative Writing assignment gone bad
 

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I bought a set of short OEX wrenches in 1997 off my local SnapOn dealer, OEX80 through 0EX440. Part of the set came as a 5/16" through 3/4" boxed set, the dealer had taken out the 1/2" to warranty a broken wrench for someone recently and he cut me a deal on the open package, the rest were sold as individual wrenches. The total cost was $1,160. The 1/4", 9/32, 11/32, 15/32, and sizes 13/16" and over were all sold individually then. I was never completely happy that various sizes in the set had to be an older series with the old logo since they dropped a few of the sizes over the years. Try finding a 15/32" on the truck today.
I would have preferred the set to be all one series, not half OEX and OEX-B wrenches. Over the years I've accumulated both series of wrenches in all the sizes made, if for no other reason then to complete both sets. They rarely get used these days.

A current 21pc set of the same wrenches shows as $1460, and they dropped a couple of sizes over the years.

Your neighbor sounds like a guy I used to go fishing with years ago, he'd do anything to get out of the house, she henpecked him to death over the slightest little things. When she died, his daughters both took over. They had all his stuff sold or given away years before he ever showed any signs of decline. It got so bad he used to ask me to keep things because he never knew what they were going to give away next.
They felt since he was 'old' he should act his age and live like a retired old man. He blew his stack one year when both daughters bought him fancy canes for Christmas. I never once saw him walk with a cane, or need one. He outlived both daughters, (58 and 72), passing away at close to 100 still in living his own house. The worst thing kids can do to a parent is make them less active or take away their hobbies or pastimes.

I do find that selling things lately is like pulling teeth, everyone wants it for almost nothing.
My old boss retired recently and is planning a move to FL on some golf course. He had been trying to sell his tool box, most of his specialty tools, and his wood working tools but got almost no response from CL or FB. His box it tiny, only a KRL722 combo, no lockers, no side cabs in red. He put the box up for $2K but got no takers. He had a few guys come out and look but one wanted to make payments, another wanted to trade for work, and one wanted it for $500. He paid over $8k for it around 2005 or so but he never worked out of that box, he bought it then moved up to a managers job and took the box home. It sat in his garage ever since covered in blankets unused.
He had more box than tools as long as I knew him. But large boxes are better security since they're not likely to be just hauled away in a pickup truck.
If that KRL1001/1201 set were mine, I'd be looking for $5500 or so for it.
Like anyone, I'd love to find one for cheap and I'm sure there are a few out there to be had for a song but finding one that's not been abused or worn out is tough. How some guys tear up tool boxes is beyond me. Aside from many a roller slide going bad on a heavy drawer once in a while, things like dents and scratches are just a sign of carelessness.
I strongly prefer the older boxes though if only for the fact that its what I'm accustomed to.

When I left my last mechanics job, most every guy in that shop had at least a $60k loan with Snapon, and some newer guys were even higher. We called it tool box envy, one guy would buy a monster box, then the next guy had to one up him, until every last box in the shop looked like an apartment building. One guy blew $42k on a monster tool box. I couldn't ever imagine being in debt that much just for my box. Let alone at only 23 years old. From my experiences, most techs spend about 60% of what they make on their tools and tool box over their first 20 or so years wrenching. About half of them never do stick with it long enough to pay off their tool debt and end up just walking away from it all.

I've got a buddy who paid over $25k for a four bank Snapon box in the 2000's and has been trying to sell it now for 10 years for a third of that but hasn't had a single taker or so much as one person show up to look or buy it. He bought it to keep his baseball card and coin collection in which soon outgrew the box.
 

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If she wants to sell all this stuff cheap the OP should ask for a price for the whole lot at one price and see if he can score a deal.
Or at least put a link up to the eBay listings to drive some traffic. I’d pay $99.99 for a SO wrench set.
 

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I didn't read every post.

I buy and sell used tools, about 15 years now.

As to the OP's question about the box.

It's hard to find people who have enough cash to buy a big box. Once you get over $1500 the market thins out a lot.

Boxes are all about condition and drawers configuration. Old boxes are harder to sell

The most I ever got for a Snap on triple bay was $4000 and it was real nice with a stainless top. Normally $2800 or so.

Why she is not getting better offers is baffling, I have been paying more at auctions for almost 2 years now.

Not sure where you are but If within a couple of hours of Baltimore, I would be happy to make a fair wholesale offer for everything.

PM me if interested
 

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I do find that selling things lately is like pulling teeth, everyone wants it for almost nothing.
Actually, as a buyer I find sellers think everything they got is gold plated. Especially since the pandemic started. I have no issues with paying a fair price, but the asking prices I've seen on all sorts of things have been insane.

His box it tiny, only a KRL722 combo, no lockers, no side cabs in red. He put the box up for $2K but got no takers. He had a few guys come out and look but one wanted to make payments, another wanted to trade for work, and one wanted it for $500. He paid over $8k for it around 2005 or so but he never worked out of that box, he bought it then moved up to a managers job and took the box home. It sat in his garage ever since covered in blankets unused.
You can't expect a seventeen year old tool box to retain much of it's original value. He was going to take a big loss on it eventually, regardless of when he sold it, but he should've looked to move it sooner rather than later.

If that KRL1001/1201 set were mine, I'd be looking for $5500 or so for it.
I think you'd be looking for a long time.

Just my $0.02. These boxes are way overpriced to begin with, and as Phil said, most of the potential buyers don't have thousands of dollars burning a hole in their pocket.
 
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She had a guy come out Mon. morning to look at the box, he offered her $1000. Luckily she called me and I went over to see what was up. The guy had a car trailer full of boxes, he gave the BS that the market is flooded with cheap boxes and they're impossible to sell. He kept insisting that $1,000 is a very generous offer. I told her to do as she please but the guy was a real piece of work. Most of the boxes on his truck were odd color Matco boxes, only one newer Snap-on bottom.
Last night, after dinner time a guy who contacted me here came by, and left with the box for a fair price. I don't think he posted here yet. He was the second to email me early on. He got the top and bottom box for about half of what it cost new and a fraction of what it would cost now.
The box turned out to be a 11/2003 model according to the back of the box.
She told me to keep the tools, she's done and she left this morning, and took him with her to look at some senior development she wants him to move to. The last thing he did was bring me two boxes of fishing tackle that she 'told him to get rid of'.
There's 18 Rubbermaid tubs of tools in my car trailer and a few small boxes of smaller items not in sets.

In my opinion the tools are worth more than the box, at least face value wise if you had to buy them new today.
The first thing I want to do is take a complete inventory of what's there and take pictures, then take it downstairs and shelve it till I decide what to do with it all.
As far as I'm concerned they're still his tools.
I really feel sorry for the guy, if she intends to just stick him in sold senior apartment he'll go nuts not having something to tinker with and likely no way to get out of there. Living here, every neighbor here has a boat, he went fishing more than most of us because of that.
I'm not sure what happened to his car but I found the title to it in one of the boxes she brought over. I don't know how she sold it without the title unless she junked it, and I can't imagine anyone junking a 2006 Trailblazer with only 30k on it.

I didn't write her eBay name down, and I'm not sure i'd post it here anyhow since it was her name and first initial and a long number, which I think was the dates her kids were born in order.

The ad copy I saw looked fine to me, not much different than any other ad up there now. A pic, $99 starting price and a 7 day run that re-upped 8 times. She started out higher, but still not high enough to be too high.
Even her first price was far less than I'd ever sell them for.
I can't imagine any Snapon wrenches selling for less then they get for lesser sets either new or used. A guy was selling brand new Craftsman 20 pc combo wrench sets at the fleamarket, $58 about $15 less than in Lowes. He also had Pitsburg wrenches for $25 a set. His talble was mobbed. A guy two tables down had buckets of tools out on two tables all marked $1 each. I picked out an almost compete set of 20 Mac extra long MM wrenches but there was no 13mm, but I found a 1/2" in another bin. I also found five misc Snap on wrenches, two Snap on swivel impact sockets in 12mm 12pt, and 1/2" 6pt, and fou Snap on Torx sockets, T27, 30, 40, and 50. He looked the pile and said give me $20. I dug some more and found almost a full set of SK Wayne 3/8dr 6pt sockets minus the 7/16" which I later found a match to in my junk drawer here. He charged me $5 for the set. I also grabbed an old Sears Best chrome adjustable Timing light for $2 from some old lady that was still in its original box. I didn't need any of it but for those prices how could I not buy them? I had a timing like just like that in the early 80's that I bought from a yard sale for cheap then. I had loaned it to someone and got it back minus the leads year ago.
How on earth no one else found and bought those wrenches it beyond me. No one was even looking, they were too attracted to the cheap shiny tools two table down.
 

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In this instance, the O.P.’s neighbour doesn’t sound particularly old (70 isn’t - I know of folks working into their 90’s), obviously enjoys mechanical things, but is being pressured into selling treasured possessions for “10 cents on the dollar” (strangely, another British term) by what sounds to be a selfish and ignorant daughter!

I would definitely be inviting her to “do one”!
I sort of get the same feeling. The guy is only seventy, but the sense I am getting from the op and the daughter is that it’s time to put him out to pasture. His eyesight is poor, but is he getting adequate medical attent to address that?

Seems to me that the daughter may be spending more time trying to (unsuccessfully and ineptly) liquidate his assets rather than paying attention to what’s really important, ie his health.

Maybe I’m misreading the situation, though.
 

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Ah, I apologise! Knowing the majority of this forums readers are in the U.S. I generally try to avoid British terms, but sometimes some slip out!

To “do one” means “leave“, “make yourself scarce”, “take a hike”, or otherwise be somewhere else, usually for good reason! i.e. “****, did we just drink the whole barrel? We’d better DO ONE before anybody realises”.

In this instance, the O.P.’s neighbour doesn’t sound particularly old (70 isn’t - I know of folks working into their 90’s), obviously enjoys mechanical things, but is being pressured into selling treasured possessions for “10 cents on the dollar” (strangely, another British term) by what sounds to be a selfish and ignorant daughter!

I would definitely be inviting her to “do one”!
Apologies for a very tardy reply, but thanks for the enlightening explanation -- turns out that what you meant really did go completely over my head, so I'm glad I asked. And I have to say I completely agree; but maybe we can unite the entire English-speaking world by saying that daughter should EFF OFF and leave her dad's (da's/daddy's/pop's/pappy's/father's/old man's) tools alone!
 
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While the gentleman in question may be in good health, I'm going to burst some bubbles and inform you that 70 is old.
My Dad is 72 and I would never think of getting rid of any of his tools or other things I think its a lil morbid and selfish to do so.....My Dad still does woodworking projects and helps my cousins farm.... so if there is more to the story that we are not aware of ...idk ....if not I hope he lives forever just for spite.....because the way she is treating him is horrible
 
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My Dad is 72 and I would never think of getting rid of any of his tools or other things I think its a lil morbid and selfish to do so.....My Dad still does woodworking projects and helps my cousins farm.... so if there is more to the story that we are not aware of ...idk ....if not I hope he lives forever just for spite.....because the way she is treating him is horrible

Not saying he doesnt deserve his tools.

But the man is old, factually old. I'm 31 and I'm old.
 

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While the gentleman in question may be in good health, I'm going to burst some bubbles and inform you that 70 is old.
But the man is old, factually old. I'm 31 and I'm old.
Let's see how you're feeling in, say 20 years. ;)

Honestly, I know 70-yo dudes that are in as-good-or-better shape than me at 53. I know some who are withered well beyond their years.
 

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If my daughter was as much of a ****, as to hold my grandchildren over my head, in order to manipulate me, I'd tell that is her choice, but she will never see one ******* penny of inheritance from me. Every dime will go to the grandchildren - when they are 18.

I'm thinking she will probably change her tune in short order.
 

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Not saying he doesnt deserve his tools.

But the man is old, factually old. I'm 31 and I'm old.
The average lifespan for a male in the USA is 79.

You by definition are not old, hell you're not even middle-aged.

You won't even reach full retirement age for social security until you are 70, and that is if they don't change it again.
 

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I've seen this sort of **** all the time. Kids move far away, a lone parent remains back home and they feel they need to force them into their way of life where ever they moved to with no regard for the parent's wishes. I've watched it happen here over and over. One by one the older folks in the neighborhood get forced out of their homes into some retirement home or 'senior community' that their kids feel is better for them. Its not about the money, its about pushing the responsibility off on someone else. The house and belongings often go as payment to the home they get dumped into. All it takes is a doctor to 'recommend it' and life is over as they know it.
My dad, who's been gone for a while now, was good till he was about 78 or so, after that he had to be watched, he was getting a bit forgetful and would forget to pay bills, go shopping twice and buy the same thing he put on the list two days in a row, call his kids by the wrong names, etc. It runs in the family, his parents both had Alzheimer's in their later years but were health other wise. We left him in his house til the end. I quit my job to move back home. He was good till other health issues arose and he passed at 86. He was semi functional till 82, he had good days and bad days. On bad days he'd do things like wash the dished five times in a row, or go out and check the mail box ten times even after bringing in his mail, or go to the refrigerator and make himself a sandwich for lunch, forgetting he at 20 minutes ago. On good days, it was as if someone turned back time and he was perfectly clear.
He quit working in with his tools around 75 or so, I think he knew he wasn't 100% anymore and stayed away from power saws and such after one of his buddies nearly cut his hand off on a table saw.
His tool are still here, I'll die with them too. He at one point was an air craft mechanic in the early 50's, mostly all prop planes but he had a full set of Snap On tools he bought back then, plus the family home always had a full wood shop in the basement. His outlet was to build things from wood. As he got older though he lost interest in doing much physical work. His attention span got shorter and he'd jump from one thing to another. That started in his late 50's.

Another guy his age then fell off his tractor while plowing the field at 2am. A few years after that he disappeared, him and his truck were gone one morning with no clue where he went. His son got a call from the police in TX saying they found his dads truck stuck in a ditch and he was thumbing a ride babbling something about having to get back to base in time. He thought he was back in the service and was heading back to the base he was stationed at. He had driven nearly 2,000 miles before he ran out of gas or money, left his truck on the side of the road and started hitchhiking. Once they got him home, he was disoriented for a few days but a week later forgot about it all and was back to normal. It turns out the old guy had some sort of stroke. He recovered, they put him on some meds and he was fine. He's 92 now and still drives, his son did put a GPS on his car though, just in case he wanders off again.

The guy's daughter here is likely not so much after money but seems to have some strange idea about how to deal with her aging dad, who is likely still just fine to be on his own, but may well need some help. It sounds like he's got a few good neighbors who are probably a better judge of his condition and are better suited to keep tabs on him then his own kid.

I have a friend who I've known for many years, he got married late, in his 50's to a woman a few years older than himself.
She's a psychotic lunatic when she don't get her way, she'll scream, holler, rant, and rave about the slightest thing. If he don't comply she threatens divorce and to take everything he's got. He gives in every time and does what she says. He says hes miserable but does nothing about it. She gets upset over the slightest thing, he left a beer can on the table one day and she screamed and hollered for an hour. He has to ask her for permission to go fishing, he can't spend a dime on anything, she holds the check book and credit cards, yet she never worked or earned a dime. He retired a few years ago from some factory with no pension, just SS. They don't have much but he owns his house and car, has no loans. She went nuts when she found out he spent $5 on bait the other day to go fishing. If I had to deal with that everyday I'd probably end up in jail.
 

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I was mowing my lawn yesterday and a woman who I'd guess to be 20 years my senior stopped on her bike.
She asked if I really felt I should be doing that at my age?
She parks her bike and tells me to 'go sit down before you drop dead in this heat', she proceeded to finish mowing my lawn while I sat on my tailgate and drank an ice cold beer.
I was standing there thinking "how old does she really think I am"?
When she got done the last row tells me she thinks I was in her older sisters class back in high school, (some of the names she was mentioning were my high school teachers 40 years ago).
She goes on to say her sister passed away a few years ago but that she always thought we made such a great couple back then???? I couldn't figure if this woman was delusional or if she really thought I was that old?
I tried over and over again to tell her I'm not whoever she thought I was, but she refused to believe me.
 

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The average lifespan for a male in the USA is 79.

You by definition are not old, hell you're not even middle-aged.

You won't even reach full retirement age for social security until you are 70, and that is if they don't change it again.

I may not be technically old, but I ain't hip and cool anymore. Damn kids, always changing what "it" is.
 

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I was mowing my lawn yesterday and a woman who I'd guess to be 20 years my senior stopped on her bike.
She asked if I really felt I should be doing that at my age?
She parks her bike and tells me to 'go sit down before you drop dead in this heat', she proceeded to finish mowing my lawn while I sat on my tailgate and drank an ice cold beer.
I was standing there thinking "how old does she really think I am"?
When she got done the last row tells me she thinks I was in her older sisters class back in high school, (some of the names she was mentioning were my high school teachers 40 years ago).
She goes on to say her sister passed away a few years ago but that she always thought we made such a great couple back then???? I couldn't figure if this woman was delusional or if she really thought I was that old?
I tried over and over again to tell her I'm not whoever she thought I was, but she refused to believe me.
That's funny and sad at the same time.
 

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"I called a local Snap On dealer who I dealt with a few times, and he tells me a similar box today would cost as follows:
Roll cab $11,120
Top box $5,770
Locker $4,555
Locker $4,555
Total $26,000 plus 7% sales tax"


Is it just me, or do others think prices like this, granted for new (I assume), are just f'n nuts? Even for Snap On!?

Do people really pay this much?

All the time, but most of them pay in installments with interest. Snap-On is a finance company that just happens to sell high quality tools.
 

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She obviously should've waited till after he died and then sold it all for scrap weight.

Lots unknown and assumed here.
 

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All the time, but most of them pay in installments with interest. Snap-On is a finance company that just happens to sell high quality tools.

There's no interest on revolving truck accounts. Unless you actually signed paperwork with Snap-On, which includes a hard pull on your credit, you're not paying interest.

A good portion of the price is based on this. It has supposed interest-free financing baked in.
 
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