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Armor Garage Hidden Seam tiles

Sevillian

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Does anyone have any experience with this product? After researching here and speaking with Justin at Garage Flooring, I had become convinced that epoxy is the best choice for my garage floor project even though I like the look and feel of tile, primarily because epoxy will not allow water and fluids from my old cars to collect underneath the way the t-lock tiles in my former garage did. But in educating myself about epoxy, I came across Armor's site, and saw these tiles, which are described as having a hidden seam that is completely watertight.
 
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pbon

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Don't know anything about Armor Garage, but it looks like a good and water tight pvc tile. Advanta Tuffseal is also a water tight pvc tile. Armorpoxy Supratile is another one that is supposedly very close to water tight. I have the Advanta Tuffseal, but would have done epoxy if my carriage house floor was concrete instead of wood. PVC tiles can stain from tires, so ideally put black where the car wheels travel. I have checkerboard black and dark gray and can see a little yellowish staining on a few of the gray tiles from tires.
 
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Thanks. I will look at those as well. I did have some tire staining on the tiles in my former garage (having heavy old garage queens that would often sit for a week or two didn't help).
 
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I've been digging further into the Armor tiles on their website, and it appears that most of their tiles, not just the "seamless" ones are watertight. And they claim that that there is both an anti-staining additive (apparently an option/upgrade) or another cleaner/maintainer product that you can apply yourself that will prevent tire stains. This all sounds great if the information is accurate. Armor is a reputable company (Armorpoxy), and the website refers to some serious military and industrial use of their tiles, but after searching, it does not appear anyone here has any experience with their tiles, as opposed to epoxy. If its such a great product, this seems odd.
 

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Not many here use pvc. The lightweight snap together cheap plastic tiles are much more popular even though some of them aren’t cheap. But you won’t find any in a real working garage or warehouse. You will find pvc in warehouses, though I doubt in working garages. Epoxy is probably best if done right. I would have done epoxy but my floor is wood.
 
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One thing I'm realizing is that these water-tight PVC tiles are not cheap; looks like they are in the same ballpark as a professional epoxy job. I need to get some quotes, but if the cost is comparable, I may just go the epoxy route.
 

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Despite the fact that the tiles have some anti-staining additives, they can still stain from tires. It does not mean that they are tire stain proof. I would give them a call first and tell them how you use your garage if tire staining is a worry.
 
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Yes, most pvc tiles are expensive. Sometimes armorpoxy has leftover Supratile at a discount from a big job. Worth calling to ask. You might get enough of 2 colors you like to do a pattern. It’s the best value in pvc if they have leftover you want.
 

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PVC tiles can stain depending on the tire compounds used in the tires. Even with a stain blocker we have seen some staining. For that reason when using PVC tiles we recommend using black under the tires/parking area. As for water getting under them our joints are very tight, and we do not get complaints about that.
 

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I just installed over 900 sq/ft of the 5.5mm "hidden" SupraTile, in a home garage. It's pretty nice stuff. With everything though, there are pros/cons. I'm not bashing the product, just telling my experience with it. So, here are some quick thoughts on the SupraTile.

My garage floor was in rough shape and don't believe epoxy would have held. So tiles were really my only option. I purchased some samples of SwissTrax and didn't care for the plastic feel. I then got a sample of the Advanta Tuffseal and they just sent over some color samples the size of an 8x10 sheet of paper. I then emailed ArmorPoxy, about getting some SupraTile samples. They sent me out 3 full tiles, for free, to try out. So, that was awesome right off the bat. I put those tiles through hell, before I decided they were going to be my choice.

Pricing was actually comparable to SwissTrax.

I chose black, as I had a "theme" going in my garage.
Disclaimer: Black looks awesome but it shows every thing. I'm pretty **** and have a Dyson near by, to vacuum every few days.

Installation was simple. It took me around 2 days, doing it myself. It's basically tongue and groove but you need a dead blow hammer, to make sure the tiles are interlocked together correctly. So prepare to get your arm workout.

Edge pieces are easily cut with a table saw.

I laid the tile under my garage door and it closed w/o activating the safety feature. So I didn't need to re-adjust anything on the garage door opener.

If you have any "dips" in your garage floor and it's not perfectly flat, then the tile can easily get mis-aligned. The tiles need to be installed precise, as if you screw it up early, your lines will be messed up later down the road and the tiles won't interlock together, regardless how much you beat on it with the hammer. Some of the "hills" in my garage floor, caused the interconnecting lines to form a "\/". But it's pretty minor and hardly noticeable.

Don't drop anything super hot on it. I was using a die grinder on a bolt and accidentally dropped the bolt. Since the bolt was hot, it instantly melted a nice bolt shape, into the tile. I had extra file left over and was easily able to replace just that one. Not a huge deal and that was my fault. Can't expect PVC to hold up to a super hot object.

Anything heavy will leave indents. But the indents disappear after a bit. For example, I'm in the middle of an engine rebuild and my engine stand wheels, left divots. I originally thought they were going to stay like that. But a day later, the divots were completely gone. Since then, I just cut some spare pieces and "doubled" up on the floor, where the metal wheels are. It will leave a divot in top piece but the bottom tile is perfect. The same logic goes to anything heavy, but is "sharp" on the bottom. For example, I have some shelving units, that the bottom legs are "L" shaped and sharp on the bottom. I figured it would just cut into the tile, from all the weight I'm putting on it. So I just cut some spare pieces and doubled up, under the legs, just in case they were to cut through.

The tile has a very strong odor to it and it has lingered in the garage. I've gotten used to it but my wife and her mom are can't take it. So they don't hang out in the garage at all. I've actually been working with Armorpoxy on this and they mentioned that they hadn't heard about this before. I never smelt it in the samples. But it smells like a mix between plastic/vinyl and some some of chemical. It's hard to explain, as it's unique. It's strong enough to get in your clothes. It's definitely the tile, as the smell arrived, when I brought the pallets into the garage. Of course, I've tried opening the garage and allowing it to off gas but it seems to return.

The tile had a yellow residue, initially on it. When I first installed it, I was on my hands and knees alot, and the tiles turned them yellow. I scrubbed the tiles down with regular handsoap and warm water to clean it. It does seems to be getting much better but I still get yellow staining, if I wear socks. I'm not sure this yellow residue is (release agent?). I've been told by ArmorPoxy, that Simple Green or Purple Power is the preferred cleaners. So I plan on cleaning the tile with Purple Power soon. Hopefully this will take away the smell too?

I've already spilled a ton of oil and coolant on the tile, while rebuilding my engine. It cleans up super easy. The only areas I'm concerned about, is where the garage floor isn't level. As I mentioned above, if the tiles aren't installed on a level surface, the interlocking lines can "\/" and cause cracks. I'm not sure if liquids could get through. It's not an issue of the tile, it's my floor. Just something to think about. Other than that, it's been about 2-3 months since I installed.

Other than the odor, I've been pretty pleased with it. The silver lining is, the odor is keeping my wife from putting all of her stuff back into the garage. So the garage is finally all mine. lol
 
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Thanks for that detailed report. As the owner of a car with 60 year old original black lacquer on it, I must admit I can't imagine having black tile, except perhaps under the tires. I'm sure that like my car, it looks great when its clean, but keeping it that way would be pretty labor intensive!
 

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I just installed over 900 sq/ft of the 5.5mm "hidden" SupraTile, in a home garage. ...... Other than the odor, I've been pretty pleased with it. The silver lining is, the odor is keeping my wife from putting all of her stuff back into the garage. So the garage is finally all mine. lol
Now that it has been in a place a year, any follow-on thoughts? Was the smell issue resolved? Can you tell if any of the seams have leaked fluid or water?
 

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Great review of the pvc tiles. I have some thoughts and questions.

I'm reading some people glue the tiles down for rolling loads like cars, carts, forklifts, engine hoists, dragging things. Have the tiles remained stationary? How about the front edge when moving things in and out of the garage?

My experiments show liquid goes through the seamless tile. The seamless version is slower but it's still present. Oil, winter salt water, spills, etc still pass through the seams. Seamless just adds an extra few minutes. I'm welding the seams to make them waterproof. Links below show two pvc welders. How are your seams? Are they fully watertight?

youtube.com/watch?v=vWxerEwEBEE
youtube.com/watch?v=KfMEZ2jaZak
 

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Hey all,

I just happened to remember that I did this post and wanted to update it. At this point, I've had the flooring in for a while now. While I do love the look, durability and ease of cleaning it, the odor has definitely not gone away. If you hang out in the garage for too long, the odor will permeate your clothes. My wife still refuses to hang out in the garage for too long and it bothers her breathing (she's not asthmatic). I actually have to change my clothes when I go in, as she can smell it on me and it bothers her. Per ArmorProxy, I've cleaned it with Purple Power and Simple Green, many many times over, in the hopes of getting rid of it.

Unfortunately, I'm actually getting ready to remove all of the Supratile from the garage, because of this issue. ArmorProxy's response has been "we've never heard of this issue before" and "it must be an interaction with some cleaner you're using". Well, I've never used anything other than the Purple Power and Simple Green, that they've recommended. I know the smell is 100% the tile, as you could smell it off gassing, as soon as the tiles arrived. I've off gassed the garage many many times and the odor always returns.

I'm more than likely going to try and sell what I can on Craigslist, to recoup some cost. But I'm an honest guy and will only say to install this stuff outside.

As for the seams being water tight, they definitely are not. I accidentally tipped over a 1qt of oil a few months back and it seeped through. Not a huge deal, as I was able to lift up that section, clean and lay it back down (needed to dead blow hammer it though).
Water/coolant would have no issues going through.

The tiles have not budged from when laid them down and I did not glue them down either (which I'm very thankful I didn't, since I'm getting rid of them). I purchased the recommended adhesive from ArmorProxy but I never used it. As for the front edges, I installed a threshold that ArmorProxy sells. I actually glued those thresholds down using an epoxy purchased from HomeDepot. I have 3 garage doors and 1 interior doors that I did the same treatment to. None have had any issues.

Anyways, I hope this has helped some of you make a decision. If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask/reach out. Thanks!
 
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