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Armorpoxy SPGX over Armorclad issue

ZaneMasterX

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Started installing my garage floor and ran into an issue with Armopoxy SPGX over Armorclad.

I purchased two 600sq ft Armorclad low temp master kits that come with 1.5gal (per kit 3 gal total) of SPGX as the final coat.

The garage is 1115sq ft. Spray foam insulated walls and ceiling. Insulated garage doors, and climate controlled at 72 degrees for the install.

Concrete floor is new construction which was poured back in August 2018. Floor was cleaned, degressed, power washed, used a buffer with a black pad, power washed again, then acid etched. The floor is brand new, never parked on, never used as we are about to move it, no chemicals or spills present.

Used Armorpoxy's two part primer after the floor dried for 2 days. Primer went on smooth and even, no fish eyes or problems.

Used Armorclad after the primer dried for 30hrs and went on without a hitch. Its smooth, even, and 100% perfect.

Here comes the issue. After allowing the Armorclad to dry for 23hrs at 72 degrees it was cured enough to walk on, smooth to the touch, couldnt indent the epoxy with my pocket knife so it was ready for clear coat.

Clear coat sent to me was Armorpoxy's SPGX (3 gallons worth). Mixed all 3 gallons together in a 6 gal bucket and added 1 and a half baggies worth of anti-slip.

Installed the SPGX with a roller sent with the kit by pouring out small amounts of the SPGX into a roller pan and rolled onto the Armorclad. Everytime I poured more SPGX into the pan I mixed to keep the anti-slip suspended.

After I had around 1/3 of a gallon left so I used plenty of product since it was for 1200sq ft and my garage is 1115sq ft.

The SPGX now looks like its water on an oil spot, it is not smooth or even. I read the directions on the side of the can since no specific SPGX instructions were sent and installed as instructed by the SPGX can.

This picture is 3 hours after install and the entire floor is the same way. Any idea how to remedy this? Armorpoxy has not returned my emails.

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Did ArmorPoxy give you those long cure times to wait before the next coat? I would give them a call and discuss your issue.
 
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ZaneMasterX

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Did ArmorPoxy give you those long cure times to wait before the next coat? I would give them a call and discuss your issue.

The instructions really arent clear and pretty much say to topcoat when Armorclad is fully dry enough to walk on preferably overnight and if you are using SPGX to top coat when floor is hard enough to walk on and if the previous coat is over a week old to lightly scuff the surface.
 
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I had something similar happen once when I try to apply 100% solids epoxy when it was too hot. Do you know if there were really high temperatures or relative humidity that day?

I just read their product data sheet and parts of it are incomplete and it seems like it was translated from another language or something. There's a lot of missing information on there

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ZaneMasterX

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Outside temperature hasnt been above 45f for the last week. Inside of the garage its temperature controlled at 72f and fully insulated. Relative humidity has been between 40% and 65% the past few days. Today it was hovering around 55% when the SPGX was applied.

The 100% solids Armoclad is smooth and has no issues. The SPGX is a Polyurea coating which is the coating that is having issues.
 

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So I’m about to apply the ArmorPoxy Ultraglaze 1-part clear topcoat tonight after applying the epoxy last night. Is this what you are having problems with? Makes me reconsider.

Correction, I see the SPGX is different than the Ultraglaze.
 
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ZaneMasterX

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Update:

Armorpoxy emailed me back and said they havent seen this issue before with the SPGX and that they dont know how to fix it other than recoating the entire floor with epoxy and a different top coat. ***** because it took roughly 5hrs of hurried back breaking work to coat 1115sq ft with my wife and I really dont want to have to do it all over again. Good news is the floor will be practically bomb proof but at this point I wish there was a different solution.
 

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I did armorclad but used the military clearcoat 2 part epoxy topcoat and it turned out fantastic. I would highly recommend that.

Really sorry for your problem. You will get past it....

Tom
 
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Two things come to mind immediately when I look at this picture:
1) coating outside the recommended re-coat window without proper prep i.e. de-glossing and wiping down with denatured alcohol prior to the next coat application.
2) contamination of some sort.
Not saying that it isn't something else but those are the two most common causes that I've seen for the de-wetting type of reaction pictured.
 
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ZaneMasterX

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Two things come to mind immediately when I look at this picture:
1) coating outside the recommended re-coat window without proper prep i.e. de-glossing and wiping down with denatured alcohol prior to the next coat application.
2) contamination of some sort.
Not saying that it isn't something else but those are the two most common causes that I've seen for the de-wetting type of reaction pictured.

Final coat was done within recommended time frame and temperature window.

Instructions stated lightly sanding is needed if the floor was previously coated and the coating is more than one week old. Neither of those apply to me.

The garage is new and sealed off with no sources of contamination possible, it's practically a clean room in there at the moment.

The primer went down flawlessly, the epoxy and flake went down flawlessly, the spgx top coat went wrong somewhere. Strangely the high spots are gloss smooth and the low spots have the anti slip so it almost seems like the anti slip a coating didnt want to stay together.

Instructions were followed exactly as written. Now I dont disagree that deglossing and rubbing down with denatured alcohol couldnt have helped but if that's the case the instructions should clearly state that as a step no matter how old or new the floor coating is.

Hopefully the 2 part military commercial topcoat will be better this time around instead of the spgx.
 
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This inquiry was handled promptly the first available business day, since the initial email came in after our offices were closed.

Thank you, we appreciate your business!
 
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ZaneMasterX

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Update:

Armorpoxy said they had never seen this issue I had before and the only solution they saw was to recoat the floor with the entire system. After emailing Armorpoxy back and forth they were very quick to send me 2 brand new Low Temp Master Kits but this time with their 2 part topcoat instead of the SPGX topper.

They requested I scuff up the bad floor with a 3m style pad so I rented a floor buffer and bought a few black pads and went to work for a few hours making sure I got everything nice and deglossed.

The new master kits arrived yesterday and I got them put down and its currently 12hrs later and the floor looks fantastic. After the 24hr mark passes Im going to do a test spot with the 2 part top coat and see if that works and if it does finish the floor either late tonight or early tomorrow morning.

At the end of this this floor is going to be nuclear bomb proof.

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