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So last night we had a festive family get together and I got talking to my great uncle about tools and when he was in the service he traded a triumph dolomite sprint for one of every snap on tool there was at the time this was back in the late 40s and early 50s he said he still has them all mint in box he said he never really used them so I think he has just about every snap on tool that was going back then all still in there original packaging one of everything! I was wondering how much this stuff is worth I mean I wouldn't sell any I just wanted to know what it's worth, he said that he would 'eventually' pass it on to me so do you guys no anything about vintage snap on stuff?


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You sure your uncle is not pulling yer plonker?
Triumph dolomite sprints were made in the early seventies ,
Although there was a triumph dolomite made during the 30's
 

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Value could range. If it is in fact a complete offering from Snap on for a year, it could have extra value to a collector if it is in pristine condition.

Other wise, some pieces would have good value and others would sell for about current retail to 50% of retail.

These are guesses on my part, but I do sell a fair amount of tools and do follow the collector market a bit.
 

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This is something we have to have pics on. For us to enjoy and to give you more accurate info.
 

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Well, I hate to "piss on your strawberries", but the story sounds a bit suspect! As pointed out above, the Triumph Dolomite wasn't introduced till 1970, so that makes the dates a bit suspect. Furthermore, the MOD hasn't traditionally bought that much Snap On. Britool, yes! Bedford, Gordon and the like, most certainly, but Snap On is rare!

But... in my experience these old blokes are seldom totally wrong! Dates and details get muddled, but don't write the story off yet! If Triumph previously used the name, and Bigplum says they did, then it could have been a pre war car being traded in the 40's or 50's and in that era there WAS Snap On being disposed of as surplus!

Don 't get too excited though, a lot came over as part of Lend Lease and although it was good it wasn't the quality it is today, especially the finish, which was thin if it existed at all!

My grandfather bought a lot of surplus in that era and I still have some 'new' Snap On, still in the wartime packing, in my loft! This stuff isn't worth much!

Of course, the old guy could just be a complete bullshitter...!
 
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I'll defiantly get some pictures when I can, don't see him too often but yeah I think it was a triumph or an mg I can't remember but he said he needed some tools is they did a swap


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right finally got the story straight, he was over on boxing day and last time he told me the story i was how do you say...intoxicated, when the us airforce came over during the war and brought america with them i.e. mcdonalds, snap on, anyway in the 50s my great uncle was friends with a few americans on the air base and he traded a 38 smithen Wesson pistol for a whole load of snap on tools and still has them to day, im visiting them soon and i will get pictures!
 

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Sounds like your great uncle was a bit dodgy! I can't see how a .38 S&W pistol was worth a full set of snap-on tools unless they were stolen out of the stores!
 
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right finally got the story straight, he was over on boxing day and last time he told me the story i was how do you say...intoxicated, when the us airforce came over during the war and brought america with them i.e. mcdonalds, snap on, anyway in the 50s my great uncle was friends with a few americans on the air base and he traded a 38 smithen Wesson pistol for a whole load of snap on tools and still has them to day, im visiting them soon and i will get pictures!

For what it's worth, McDonalds was founded in 1940, but by 1953 there were ony three restaurants. It was certainly not a WW2 US cultural export. Their big growth started in the late 50s and into the 60s.

I've learned from hard experience not to put much belief in things like this until one can see 'em. We'll all look forward to your pix to complete the story.
 

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Well I reckon it's all getting more plausible, not to mention interesting!

As it's a **** night for working I can add a few historical facts if anybody is interested!

When the first US aircraft arrived in the UK during the war, they were shipped in bits but nobody here had A/F size wrenches to put them together!

'No probem' said uncle Sam, who promptly shipped every successive aircraft with a complete (and that did mean complete) set of tools! So... by the end of the war, (and certainly through to the 50's) there were a lot of decent tools knocking around, especially on the air bases!

As to the Smith and Wesson, well that could be too! The U.K. armed forces underwent massive changes in the 1930's as part of the switch to mobile warfare. One less than welcome change was the switch from .455 revolvers to .38 (.38/200 to be precise, which was basically a .38 S&W loaded with a 200 grain hollow point).

There were legal concerns about this round, so even though the projectile never attained enough velocity to expand (you need about 900 f.p.s which the poor old .38 S&W won't reach with a 200gr head) it was replaced with a lighter Full Metal Jacketed head.

Now, this wasn't the best practical pistol combination in the world (comparable to a modern 9mm short at best) so anybody who really needed a pistol was generally issued a.45, while those who just wanted something better could usually obtain an obsolescent (yeah right) .455!

The only exception was the aircrew! A .455 Webly Mk6, whilst beautifully made, is just too big for a fighters cockpit. Not ideal for clambering round inside a bomber either! Fortunately, the British Purchasing Commission in the U.S.A. had placed an order with Smith and Wesson for revolvers in .38! They were generally known as Victory models and most of them ended up with the RAF, where they were considered perfect!

The critical thing with 'Victories' is the date of manufacture! The later ones were 'war finished' and some were borderline rough! The early ones however, were made and finished to pre war standards and were simply gorgeous! Despite spending about 20 years in the U.K. defence industry, and handling probably thousands of pistols including many 'victories' I have only ever seen 2 of the early ones, one of which was, at the time, still in the hands of the officer it was issued to!

So, would I swop one of every Snap On tool made for an average Victory? No!

Would I swop some war finish Snap On that I had in abundance for an early model 'Victory'? God yes! With S&W's being an RAF item, and Great Uncle being on an air station, probably with tools in abundance, this sounds more and more plausible!

I can only add my tuppence worth to the clamour for pics!
 
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Dave455, what is the oldest s/o date code you have seen from that era, I did see a 1938 whitworth socket from the UK.
 

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Good question?

I'll have to get the date code chart out and have a look!

I doub't that there will be much, if any, pre war!

There wasn't much Snap On around in the U.K. before the war. My grandfather loved American tools but most of his was Blackhawk. He did Have a few Snap On bits so I'll check the codes on that!

Much of the stuff I have 'in store' is wartime (you can tell by the finish) and it's a real mixture. Lot of Williams, some Snap On, some British! I'll dig out a sample box and get back to you!
 

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O.K.

Just had a look at my Grandfathers Snap On and the only mark I can find is what looks like a letter "E". Now, this could be a date code for 1944. This would be about right as I recall my Grandfather saying that those tools were "Lend-Lease", and they certainly appear to be war finish!

I've unpacked a small box of "surplus" as well. Unfortunately, the packing doesn't give the manufacturer, only the country of origin, so you don't always know exactly what you have till you unpack! This stuff is also fairly crusty!

Again, the only marking is a letter "E". Coincidence? Or was that marking applied to everything?

I've attached some pictures of both so if anybody knows, let me know!
 

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Those so full boxes would sell well on ebay in the USA

Yes, from time to time I unpack a few bits and sell off anything that I have a mega surplus of! Unfortunately, unless you want to offer a 'lucky dip' you have to unpack the stuff to see what you have, and then you really need to clean it up!

The price you get barely justifies all the work, and the shipping to the U.S. pretty much makes it unviable!

You also have to bear in mind that the British MOD, and the Ministry of Supply before that, would sell stuff off in 'lots' which were often a pretty obscure mix! You'd get a 'lot' comprising some materials that you wanted, some MT (motor transport) spares you could sell, some tools you'd use (eventually) and something totally obscure like a machine for winding radio coils!

The result is that there's a lot of trash between the few bit's of treasure!
 

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Snapmom, I have a bunch of those here in a drawer. It's a little weird, because the seller unwrapped one for display and it was a SnapOn Whit socket, so I bought a gang of them. But when they came, I wanted to unwrap one for myself, and it was another brand, I think Plomb or Proto. Now I'm in a quandary about whether to unwrap them so I don't misrepresent them, or what to do haha...
 

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Dave455, I got a bunch of those from over the pond, maybe from you, anyways I'm in the same quandary now, do I unwrap them and ruin the whole collector excitement or just say they're SnapOn and hope they are a Proto haha? I swear there were a lot more of these somewhere in the garage...

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Dave455, I got a bunch of those from over the pond, maybe from you,

Nope, not from me! I sold a few Williams speed braces, some British made pliers and some old Air Ministry switches!

Your stuff looks to be the same vintage though! There's a fair amount around in the U.K, and I often find guys selling similar stuff at shows. Doesn't go for big money though, and you are lucky to find anything approaching a set!

Even when the stuff was in service you seldom saw a 'set' all from the same manufacturer! A guy would have maybe a British breaker bar, a Blackhawk ratchet and a Williams speeder! He might have 5 or 6 sockets the same but seldom the lot!

The Snap On that I have found all seems to have a lot of that white scale on it. Wish I knew of an easy way to remove it!
 
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Even when the stuff was in service you seldom saw a 'set' all from the same manufacturer! A guy would have maybe a British breaker bar, a Blackhawk ratchet and a Williams speeder! He might have 5 or 6 sockets the same but seldom the lot!

that's still the case for weapon systems sold by Uncle Sam and his minions: you still get torque wrenches from CDI, Utica, MAC Tools, wrenches from Snap-On, Armstrong and Proto, bits and sockets from Snap-On, Armstrong, Proto and Wright, hex stuff from Eklind and Bondhus, screwies from Stanley, Snap-On and Great Neck... the only common thing in those kits is that everything is US-made.

anyway, as soon as that **** is unpacked it gets tossed in the trash(really... :sad: luckily some gets out of the bases just before being thrashed or right after :thumbup:) and replaced by Facom and SAM branded stuff! :mad:

funny thing is the dial torque wrenches from Facom replacing the CDIs are made in the US *by CDI* and are identical but three to four times the price. :eyecrazy: gotta love how my taxes/€€€ are at work here... :lol:
 
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Interesting thread. There used to be a lot of military new old stock Snap On sockets floating around on Ebay. I'm going back a few years though. I never realized the boxes weren't labeled to tell the brand.
 
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