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Above 1200 Sq/FT Arrowhead Workshop Detached 3000Sq Ft AZ

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Finally getting close to groundbreaking on my dream workshop.
Notched in front for an outdoor kitchen. Room for a large 2 post lift, pallet rack storage, and a car or 2 all inside.

Still working on interior layouts etc.
I'm hoping to submit to the building department on Monday the 12th.

The wiring is preliminary as is the lighting.
The outdoor kitchen will have a 1/2 height roll up door that lands on a bar and a full height to open into the interior lounge area.

Wha am I forgetting on the overall?
Lots of detail to work on
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Hard to see the plans from my phone but just some general observations and feedback.

1) Sometimes I wish I had a few more plugs. Especially strategically placed ones. Mine are all up high, like 4ft off the ground. A few down lower would be nice so that cords can be run down and hidden behind benches/desks whatever.

2) Bury extra empty conduit going from your house up through the slab so you can get stuff inside later. Ethernet, Communications type stuff for later.

3) If your on the fence about floor coating, epoxy etc. Just do it. I was on the fence and I am so glad I did. I would be kicking myself now if I didn't go ahead and do it while it was empty.

4) Since you are planning for an outdoor kitchen of sorts, plan for proper ventilation. Even though it's outside if you are going to be hanging around there you will want some exhaust. We have (2) 8 or 10" (can't remember what we did) ducts going up through the roof hooked to a hood.

If the Arrowhead in your name is what I think it is, there is a store that has everything you need over there. I bought everything from these guys either off the floor or they ordered it for me and I built my own kitchen with all my equipment from them. You have to do it all out of metal if gas is going to be involved per code.


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We are in the planning stages of a pool house/casita and are doing another outdoor kitchen on that which will have a big griddle, pizza oven, fridges, etc. I'll be getting all my stuff from them again.

5) Blocking: add it everywhere. Go in at night and use the framers scraps and whatever you can find to add blocking. I am running into this now. I have air hose reels that I would love to mount on the ceiling but they are heavy as **** and I don't feel comfortable without blocking. I've used up all my minimal blocking I added in for electric reels and things already. So just add tons of blocking where ever you think you might want things mounted. If you don't use it, it will be converted in drywall anyways and only costed you a few beers which is a win win lol.

6) I'll look it up and add the link later. There is a place in Phoenix that has really nice pallet racking. It's all reconditioned, fresh paint, comes with brand new wood. Nice stuff.

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7) Maybe I just can't see them. But I don't see any, you need to add ceiling boxes for fans. You will want them. I run all the ceiling fans 24/7 and it does help.

8) The biggest thing I see in your build is the lounge/ office. I would really highly consider better separation. I am pretty OCD and clean/vacuum frequently and everything is still dusty as heck. I would frame and close all that in and do either some big patio sliding doors or a glass garage door or a roll up door.....something you can open to still get that open feel but close it when needed / wanted. You could do 10ft ceilings on those rooms and have a good amount of loft storage that would come in handy.

That's all I can think of for now. If you have questions or just want to bounce an idea go ahead!
 

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I also notice, no bathroom? When your doing any type of work at least a sink comes in real handy. I've got a tree right outside the door so I could take or leave the toilet but I think a sink is a must.
 
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@Boostingaz, thank you for all of that! great ideas.

1 - Plugs are in my plans - every 4-5' and probably 20a along with a share of 30a and 50a for welders, compressors lift and chargers
2 - Yup - need connectivity and will do cat 6a for access points, cameras etc
3 - Flooring - have done that as well as Race Deck benefits and drawbacks on both. What are your thoughts on polished? Race deck or equivalent under the lift for dropped stuff and ease of cleanup
4 - I like the way you did the venting. I hadn't considered that. Gas is in the works. I used BBQ Islands before - awesome customer service
Not Arrowhead neighborhood. We do live in Gilbert
5 - Blocking - never even dawned on me. with the way I move stuff around, looks like ill be doing that everywhere along with checking the insulation after install
6 - Is it the place off the 17 just south of the 10 split? if so, they do great work on refirb
7 - I do have boxes placed for 2 large ceiling fans
8 - The two doors going to the outdoor patio will be glass roll-up. The one on the R/H side will land on a bar with seating on both sides. The other will most likely be 8x8
9 - Bathroom - Wouldn't that be nice, I don't disagree. Sink for the kitchen too
 

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Here is a little better picture of the venting. The hood just has circular flanges on the top for attaching the ducting. The hood came from BBQ as well, they ordered it for me.

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Everywhere I have seen and interacted with polished it gets slipperier than snot. Maybe if they were able to put some grit in it? I'd just consider epoxy. I can give you the info for the company that did mine if you want, they were fantastic! It is pricey. I'm 56*56 and it was about 11k. It's a 3 coat, primer, color, sealer. Lifetime warranty. I've spilled Diesel, Gas, DEF, Paint just about everything you can think of on it and it's just paper towel wipe up. It's great. And just enough texture to not be slippery. I did a custom chip mix so you can pick an off the shelf scheme or adjust to your liking by adding and removing colors chips in the schemes.
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Blocking - remembering now that your a pitched roof I'm assuming you have attic access. I have a flat roof that is all spray foamed in and my attic is sealed in the envelope. I have no access. So you could crawl around and add blocking as needed later, I don't have that luxury anymore. You will just want to add plenty in the walls wherever you might want stuff. Or if you have a plans that most of your stuff might end up on one wall you could have them sheet the whole thing. I have one wall that is all 3/4 osb under the drywall so that entire wall is solid for me.

Yes the shelving place you are thinking of is the one! Great guys. They do delivery too but I just ran down there with a flat bed and they fork lift loaded everything. Easy peasy.
 

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Finally getting close to groundbreaking on my dream workshop.
Notched in front for an outdoor kitchen. Room for a large 2 post lift, pallet rack storage, and a car or 2 all inside.
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Still working on interior layouts etc.
I'm hoping to submit to the building department on Monday the 12th.

The wiring is preliminary as is the lighting.
The outdoor kitchen will have a 1/2 height roll up door that lands on a bar and a, full height to open into the interior lounge area.

Wha am I forgetting on the overall?
Lots of detail to work on,
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Nice diagram well planned
 
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@Boostingaz , I like the look of that, and the ease of maintenance.
We are leaning towards an open ceiling with spray foam and visible ducting, so that will be easy.
The walls, different story. the plywood underlayment seems like a great solution for keeping things from falling down. Will probably surface mount the airlines. I like the way the blue piping looks when done properly.

For lighting, considering running the Romex Duo with the low voltage wiring paired to it so ill have that dimming option on the overheads. Thoughts?

The lot space is just about cleared off. Sold the horse corral a month ago and the folks taking the tack room are here today loading that up for transport to Mesa.
 

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@onsail

I just started my air system and I'm doing rigid lines as the kits that come rolled are a pain in a*s to try and get straight and I'm way to OCD for the piping on the wall to have dips and bumps in it.

I'm leaning towards ordering from one of these:




As far as the lighting. I don't know how much extra that wire is vs the standard but I will tell you what, I have never once said....I wish my lights were dimmer haha. Once you have super nice bright lights, it makes a world of difference. Especially at night. It's always daylight which makes working at any hour no different.

I'll take a few pictures of the lights I went with. I am loving them and they link so it requires a lot less boxes which also means a lot less wire which saves a decent amount of money as those ceiling boxes are loooong runs. I have 24 lights in the "storage" side of my shop and they all run on just 4 boxes. I have those 4 boxes and 2 fans. So I only have 6 boxes in my whole ceiling, super clean.
 
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Storage side:

They are 8ft led strips that link end to end. There are 6 strips in each row.

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Both shop rooms have 6 strips set up in a square. Only 1 box for the whole room. They link with pigtails that they come with and I just shrink wrapped the cords so it is a little cleaner. The power cords are also super long and have plugs on them, so you could just plug them into an outlet but that's ugly, who wants that lol. So I cut the cords and hardwired them in a box. A lot cleaner.

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That my lighting. So in the whole 56*56 I only have 6 boxes in the ceiling for lights. So you do have the potential to greatly reduce your wiring plan. 6 gang boxes for lights and 4 ceiling fan boxes. That's the whole building.
 
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I love those lights.
Used them on my last shop. I held them on with magnets on the overhead of my 4 post and on both verticals of the 2 post.

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Nice. I like that idea of the magnets, never thought of that. But then you can just pop them on wherever you want. I bet those were nice on the lift.

That's a gnarly looking truck, that's awesome.

Nice looking shop too.
 

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That is going to be a sweet shop !! Quite envious of shops with outdoor kitchen setups located in areas of the country that can use them more than we can up North.

As mentioned before a bathroom .... Not sure if it's not possible but that'd be the only major addition I'd do if it were me. We use the shop bathroom as much or more than the house one ......

I'd second the blocking in a big way. I did very little in my farm shop and am regretting it now. There will be lots of unistrut going from perling to perling to hold stuff. Not ideal but it works.
 
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@jblnut racking my brain on how to do a bathroom. We are on septic, the tank is several hundred feet away. Putting in another is not an option at this time. Think we are outta options on that one. I for sure will be doing the blocking or plywood walls downlow.

@Boostingaz, the light strips worked amazingly well. I ended up using the outlet plug end and put an Alexa controlled plug inline so I could control them with a voice command as needed.
The truck was a fun project. It started off as a TX oilfield truck, I made some major changes to the suspension, and other stuff. We used it to haul some SXS's then sold it to an overlander. He put the camper on it and did a wrap. It looks amazing.

Preliminary backyard renderings. Still some layout to do in for the kitchen area.
 

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Broke ground - actually just started demo
Had a horse stables and a tack room to remove.
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Nice looking good.

Yea my house septic is on the complete opposite side of our property so.......in she went, a new 1000 gallon system. In all fairness we will tie in and this will also service a future guest house and pool house.

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Not a fun dig!!
 
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racking my brain on how to do a bathroom. We are on septic, the tank is several hundred feet away. Putting in another is not an option at this time. Think we are outta options on that one. I for sure will be doing the blocking or plywood walls downlow.


For my garage on septic i used something like this "ejector pump" below, garage sewer dumps into that and the float in the tank comes on once in awhile and pushes up the pipe to find a slope down to the septic connection. I only put a urinal but it supposed to handle #2

Nice plans... consider:
- if you added solar panels do you have conduit to get up to the roof, and outside wall for inverter/dc stuff, or if energy created is big enough then you can feed back to house for offgrid or grid tie (need conduit for that)
- You will end up with an EV car soon - wire the 220v outlets or conduit to be ready
- nice to have details for a garage door beam sensors - put the wires in the wall now
- if you have wash sink, you may want an on demand water heater - need the 220v for that nearby your mounting point




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Here is what I did for hot water. One of those instant hot coffee/tea heaters whatever you want to call them. It's mounted under the sink and I wired that plug to a switch so that's it's on a disconnect. Instant hot water when I want it and regular when I don't. The damn thing gets hot hot, like I could boil eggs in the sink hot.

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I second on being prepared for your garage door requirements. Just put outlets close and empty boxes high and low and they can fish the wires. Then you can just use like a simple coax plate cover or something over the box.

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I second on being prepared for your garage door requirements. Just put outlets close and empty boxes high and low and they can fish the wires. Then you can just use like a simple coax plate cover or something over the box.

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Had any issues with that accessory deadbolt lock? Keep thinking about that on the doors for the house...no known issues the neighborhood I'm aware of thru the garage doors...but I like the peace of mind...and gadgets...I like gadgets too
 

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Had any issues with that accessory deadbolt lock? Keep thinking about that on the doors for the house...no known issues the neighborhood I'm aware of thru the garage doors...but I like the peace of mind...and gadgets...I like gadgets too

Nope none. They have been great. They auto lock everytime the door closes so they are always locked. I have 5 of them and never once a lick of trouble.
 

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That's going to be a great place onsail, congrats and good luck. Boy between you and Boosting, I'm going to have to step up my game when new shop time comes.
 
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And just like that 200 cu yd’s of dirt are spread.

Retaining wall footers are dug and my dogs are loving the dirt. We still need another 120 yds of dirt to level the grade. Hoping that comes tomorrow.

Funny how timing works. Had to leave the house for work by 1pm. No trucks. 1:15, phone rings, “Where ya want the dirt?” 🤣

If we can sort out the water/waste thing then definitely will use a point-of-use heater. We have an on demand one for the whole house. Couldn’t be happier with its performance.

The garage door openers will be the side mounts with the dead bolts like @Boostingaz has. Great piece of mind.

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@onsail

You will like the jackshaft openers. They are super quiet and if you get the lift masters the myQ app is great. I think the Chamberlain openers use the same myQ app too. Get the version with the built in battery back up. So if the power goes out you can still get out or in.
 
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Let’s talk floor drains…
So, 4 months out of the year, it’s stupid hot in Gilbert. My shop is going to be large enough that I could wash a car indoors with the AC on. Would I want to power wash one? No. But a hand wash etc, yes.
Sump with a grate? 4” or so circular? Linear?

Thoughts? Experiences?
 

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I have a drain, but it's just a little 4" that has a screw on cover. It's next to a hose bib and a 30 amp outlet. It dumps to the septic. It was set up so that we could have a functional RV inside so if lots of family comes over it could act as a spare bedroom when need be.

I live on a dirt road that's constantly muddy, dusty, etc so my cars get washed like once a year haha. So I never had a great desire for a floor drain. But....if I was to have done one, I would do a long linear type drain either down the middle or just a few feet inside the doors. I feel like that would be more practical than just one little location.
 
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I have a drain, but it's just a little 4" that has a screw on cover. It's next to a hose bib and a 30 amp outlet. It dumps to the septic. It was set up so that we could have a functional RV inside so if lots of family comes over it could act as a spare bedroom when need be.

I live on a dirt road that's constantly muddy, dusty, etc so my cars get washed like once a year haha. So I never had a great desire for a floor drain. But....if I was to have done one, I would do a long linear type drain either down the middle or just a few feet inside the doors. I feel like that would be more practical than just one little location.

After thinking about it for a few, at the very least a linear drain 10-15ft inside the main roll up door. I really can see me using it during the hottest months of the year.
Something like this 3" one from NDS. It would pretty much force me to go at least 6" deep on the pour around the drain area.

I don't have a concrete quote yet.
 

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Had to go to work for the last 10 days.
A little bit got done while I was away.
Another 300 yards of dirt, the block retaining wall guys are hard at work, even today. They should be done by Monday with the stacking and filling. They should finish the sealing and painting by Friday.
Next is spreading the fill and making sure we have enough.
Permits show on track for the 28th for approval.
 

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That drain looks nice. Should work good. Get a decent slope into it so it's less "labor" squeegeeing everything into it for cleanup. Will they let you drain gray water just on the ground? Or do you still need certain provisions for dumping?
 
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Footers and pilings poured. That took them all of an hour, showed up at 6:40a and done by 8a. They came back around 4:30p and put the forms for the stem wall up.
Inspection is done, so now we wait for the next pour.

I want to be able to wash vehicles in the front. So we talked about stem wall height. After laying it all out and looking at slope floor-drain placement etc. I've decided on 6"tall to keep the water off of the walls.
 

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Stem wall poured and stripped.
Grading for floors starting tomorrow, followed by termite treatment and then concrete the end of the week.

Lumber scheduled for next Monday and trusses by Wednesday, I hope 🤞

Going to be adding some color to the concrete to darken it up a bit. Skeptical but hopeful that it works as advertised.
 
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