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I am looking for opinions on an asphalt versus concrete apron and driveway. I recently had a 20x24 pole building built. The package included a 2'x20' concrete apron at the front of the building. I want a 20'x20' area (enough to park 2 cars if needed) coming from the concrete apron and then taper to the one side into a driveway. The driveway from the sidewalk out front of my house to the 20'x20' area would be about 75'-100'. My electrician was here today and he said the asphalt would be a lot less than the concrete. I haven't checked into any estimates yet.

Any opinions, experiences, good, bad, what you have paid for yours etc.?
 
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Do it once, do it in concrete. Did ours in 2004 and would do it again today.

Sure it costs more, but you'll never need another. It is much nicer to work on too. No more jacks sinking in, etc.
 

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Asphalt doesn't look as good, doesn't last as long, and doesn't work as well but is cheaper than concrete.

Perfect parallel to a pole building vs a frame one.

If the asphalt meets your needs, accept the cost savings and go that way. Being that you chose a pole building already, my guess is you're not really in this for the long run and highest quality, so I'd recommend going with the asphalt and the lower cost.

LOL...jeez.
 

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Asphalt doesn't look as good, doesn't last as long, and doesn't work as well but is cheaper than concrete.

my guess is you're not really in this for the long run and highest quality, so I'd recommend going with the asphalt and the lower cost.

i would consider something that could be up for 40, 50, years or more a pretty good run. a pole barn is not a brick palace but they can be dam nice and be of good quality.
 

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i would consider something that could be up for 40, 50, years or more a pretty good run. a pole barn is not a brick palace but they can be dam nice and be of good quality.

I can take you to at least a half dozen 60+ year old pole barns within 10 minutes of here...and I know of two that are over a hundred locally.

This place cracks me up.
 

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You might be surprised when u price it that asphalt isnt that much cheaper. I priced 40 x 40 and only paid around 1200 more to do concrete..
 

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If you plan to do any sort of work on the surface I would go concrete for sure. I have an asphalt driveway that's 2 years old and in the summer months the driveway is so hot that you can't really work on a vehicle or anything else for that matter from the radiating heat without being miserable. The other and bigger issue I have is that anything remotely heavy with sink in the asphalt including my table saw when I roll it out into the driveway. My saw is approximately 400lbs spread across 4 casters that are 2ftx5ft apart and it will sink in a solid 1/2"-3/4" in a few hours time. I don't even think about jacking up a car in the summer in the driveway. When we move to our forever home after the kids are gone I will have a concrete pad outside the shop for sure even if I have asphalt for the rest of the driveway a concrete pad is a must for me.
 

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Asphalt doesn't look as good, doesn't last as long, and doesn't work as well but is cheaper than concrete.

Perfect parallel to a pole building vs a frame one.

If the asphalt meets your needs, accept the cost savings and go that way. Being that you chose a pole building already, my guess is you're not really in this for the long run and highest quality, so I'd recommend going with the asphalt and the lower cost.

No need to be insulting.
 

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I think you will reap the results of how good your job is based on the workmanship applied to the prep and placement of either more so than the difference in the product. A well placed asphalt will still be in great shape 20 years out as it cracks if it is sealed you will get better results by stopping and preventing water in under it. I don't think there is too much debate on the difference between concrete and asphalt. There is a reason why govt's use one over the other in certain areas but I, and likley most here have seen a poorly done concrete driveway or a salted concrete walkway or driveway can look worse than a neighbours ashpalt that was properly prepped and placed and then maintained driveway.
 

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Asphalt is only cheap if you own all the equipment to get it on the ground. Spend the coin and do concrete it will sit better against your existing apron than asphalt would. Every time I've seen asphalt against concrete the mating joint always seems to fail.
 

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I replaced a perfectly-serviceable asphalt 1 car driveway w/concrete. I was pouring a slab for a largest-size by code premanufactured building I could get, and I decided that it was time to replace the 60 year-old driveway of asphalt. The pad T's-off the middle of the driveway.

I am happy with how it turned-out and have no qualms about the cost.
 

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I wish I had concrete. I have to use a sheet of plywood under my floorjack and jack stands to prevent dents all over the driveway. No fun laying on asphalt in July either. Though if you have the pole barn I guess you don't need to do that work out on the driveway. I wish I had a pole barn too! My dog chooses to watch me from the cool concrete garage floor.
 
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I see you are in New Jersey. Other things to consider, which side of the building and do you get snow/ice. I would like to put either concrete or asphalt down for a driveway. But, the driveway is on the north side of the house and ice is a problem. Two friends have the same situation and did concrete and both wish they had used asphalt. Concrete does not stand up to the constant salt usage needed to keep the driveway melted off. Also, the asphalt melts off faster due to the dark color. If you are looking for a work surface the concrete is better though.
 

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I see you are in New Jersey. Other things to consider, which side of the building and do you get snow/ice. I would like to put either concrete or asphalt down for a driveway. But, the driveway is on the north side of the house and ice is a problem. Two friends have the same situation and did concrete and both wish they had used asphalt. Concrete does not stand up to the constant salt usage needed to keep the driveway melted off. Also, the asphalt melts off faster due to the dark color. If you are looking for a work surface the concrete is better though.

I didn't think of this. It's a good point. My concrete walkway off the asphalt driveway is falling apart after ten years of snow, ice and salt.
 

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Asphalt doesn't look as good, doesn't last as long, and doesn't work as well but is cheaper than concrete.

Perfect parallel to a pole building vs a frame one.

If the asphalt meets your needs, accept the cost savings and go that way. Being that you chose a pole building already, my guess is you're not really in this for the long run and highest quality, so I'd recommend going with the asphalt and the lower cost.

Huh, had no idea that asphalt was so short lived. Guess I have a magical asphalt driveway that has miraculously survived 50 years of new England winters. Must be a fluke.
 

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I have a 100' x 24' asphalt driveway. It beats the heck out of dirt or stone that I've had before. It ***** that it's hot doing anything on it in the sun and jacks, stands, etc. will sink into it as well as vehicles or trailers parked in the same spot. When the time comes, I'll have it replaced with concrete.

It may come down to the size and your use though. I have a small garage that I can't fit all my vehicles in so for some things I work on outside. I'd much rather do a transmission or clutch on concrete, but asphalt is way better than dirt or mud. Perspective is important but circumstance and conditions are too. If I had a larger pole barn and presumably a larger surface to pave leading to it and in front of it, I would probably opt for asphalt to spend less but knowing I wouldn't be using it much as a work surface for anything major. So realistically I think it depends on size and use, and how that figures into value (for you, personally) considering the additional cost of concrete.
 

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If you get lots of snow asphalt concrete is better than Portland cement concrete. It absorbs heat better so it melts off ice more quickly. Both materials can get scratched and chipped by chains, tire studs, and snow buckets, blades or snowblower ice blades. Only the asphalt concrete has a cheap repair (slurry seal) that can make it look new.


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You've got something going, very close to magical.

Asphalt has a typical 20 to 30 year life, concrete 40 to 50 as pavement.

I'd suspect your 50 year old asphalt has had some pretty substantial maintenance and upkeep in that time. As well as being built with good base and well drained to start with. Re-tarring the surface with coal tar every few years helps seal it against water, and keeps oxidation from letting the surface ravel.

Sun is the worst enemy of asphalt, not cold. In the desert west, and particularly southwest, asphalt oxidizes and starts to degrade on the surface in 15 years or so.

Not a lick of maintenance in the last decade for sure, and based on the condition of the rest of the house, I would say none before that. I have never seen a sealer last even a season, so I don't bother
 
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I have a mix of both. I have a long driveway and chose asphalt. I do have concrete sidewalks and ramps that meet asphalt without problems. I knew if I went with asphalt, and it was about same price as concrete 30 years ago, that asphalt can be recoated which I've done a couple of times and it's so much easier with an oil or other spill.
Concrete for me would have been a mess with muddy truck and tractor tires.
Best thing I ever did was paving the place.
If I had pristine vehicles and was very careful I'd go with concrete.
Here with all the trees (leaves stain concrete) asphalt is better.

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Crusher run? I've got about 600' of it. If I jack in the driveway, when it's wet, then I put down a chunk of plywood. Mostly, that's what the concrete floor and lift are for in the shop.
 
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The alley out side of my garage is concrete and has been patched many times over the years because of excavations for water, sewer, gas and recently electrical service connections.

Let's just say it has the scars and marks that show it has served us well for many years.
 

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Other posts on the topic......

Asphalt 3” is often priced at $2.00 to $3.50 per sq ft.

Concrete 4” is often priced at $5.00 to $10.00 per sqft.

Obviously a boat load of variables in both like prep, thickness, material spec. With the largest variable LOCATION !!!! Then these days there might be a 3 to 9 month wait list.

OP will get a wake up call on pricing soon. My internet guess for NJ.....asphalt $3.50 concrete $8.00 per sqft. with a 6 month wait.
 
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Having recently gone through the decision of concrete versus asphalt I will leave you with what I found in my area. Quotes for asphalt ranged from $4,500 to $20,000 for a 24’X79’ driveway. The reason for this was I asked for a 12”X30’ culvert pipe to be installed, drainage, grading and a few other things. After figuring out most of my local asphalt contractors just want to do the bare minimum for prep and install I started getting quotes for concrete. (both neighbors beside me have asphalt and do not like it or the contractor(s) they had).

With concrete I found the estimates came in from $7,500 to $12,000. Ended up going with a contractor who removed the old sidewalks, pinned to the foundation, #4 rebar on 3’ centers, 4”-5” pour of 3,500 psi mix with additives, grading, added drainage, extended and banded the culvert so it is 30’ wide. The main drive is 24’X79’ with two sidewalks and flares. Total for materials and labor was $10,500. IIRC rebar was $350, concrete (31.5 yards) was $4,650 and labor/culvert/pour/finish/saw cut was $5,500.

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Living on a street corner I have two concrete driveways both with portions with a decent slope. In the winter they are a ***** compared to my parents similar sloped asphalt driveway, why ? well with our snow and ice the dark colored asphalt absorbs the suns rays and heats up and clears the ice on the driveway much faster than the concrete driveway. Now for my driveways concrete would be still be good for the flat areas but I would prefer asphalt on the sloped portions.

My concrete driveways were mixed and poured by my grandfather probably 70 years ago or so and if not for some tree roots they would have no cracks or damage. Absolutely no salt damage either, have no idea of the mix but it must of been really good especially compared to many neighbors concrete driveways poured much much later that have sustained significant weather damage in relatively short time.
 

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I priced having a section of my driveway paved vs. concrete, and the concrete was only $100 more. Granted, I only got one quote for pavement. Lots of people around here have a short paved section where their gravel driveway meets the road. They all look like **** because they don't seem to last very long. I was told the road crews will do it for you while they are paving the street, but I got nowhere talking to the guys that paved our road. I got a flat 'NO', even when I offered to pay them.

I still need to have it done. I'm just waiting for the extreme summer heat to die down a bit.
 

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It ***** that it's hot doing anything on it in the sun and jacks, stands, etc. will sink into it as well as vehicles or trailers parked in the same spot.
Stupid Question: Could you paint it with garage floor type paint? I would assume the dark color attracting the sun is what makes it so hot. If it wasn't so hot, maybe the stuff wouldn't sink in.

Half serious...just spit balling.
 

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I'll answer your question, not caring if you have St. Augustine or Bermuda grass. I bought my place in 08, and it came with an asphalt driveway, about 180'. I know the guy I bought the place from, and he went with asphalt because it was cheaper. I don't think he picked a good contractor, though. The land is the side of a hill, and water has been getting under the drive and allowed cracking and alligatoring. My wife and I sealed the drive a couple times, to the tune of $500 each time, doing the work and buying the 'best' stuff at Menards.

The last time we did it, it didn't last a year. Got my money back, and had a local asphalt company spray coat it, twice in about 4 or 5 years. We finally had a company come in and 'oil & chip' it, so it looks like a gravel drive. We like the look, as we're in the country. BUT, it does track in, and you can't roll a floor jack on it, but that's what my 24x40 pole building is for. We've had complitments on it, and one neighbor asked about it for his new house.

Being that it's sloped, asphalt is good in the winter. The snow DOES melt the snow/ice quickly, but now that it's graveled, I can't use the snow blower, and I had to raise the blade up on the tractor. The snow still melts quickly.

So...it all boils down to the prep work. If my PO had spent the money to have it done correctly, this drive would still be in good condition, but he didn't. He probably went the cheapest route. I liked the look of asphalt better than concrete, but that's me, and asphalt in my case was more work. I've also heard people say that asphalt is cheaper on property taxes, as it's considered temporary. Don't know about that, though.
 

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I can take you to at least a half dozen 60+ year old pole barns within 10 minutes of here...and I know of two that are over a hundred locally.

This place cracks me up.

And I personally know of about 100 that were knocked down after 40 years because they were unsafe. A buddy of mine would take them down for free and recoupe the old barwood to sell for big $$$.
 

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I have a 1800’ long driveway up a hill so I went with asphalt...... Concrete is the best if you can afford it and in the long run over 30 years asphalt will need to be milled and top coated so the cost will be close to concrete. Plus you have to calculate seal coating every 4 years.
Asphalt is the best in NJ winters because you can hit it with rock salt for de-icing without any damage...... Calcium must be used on concrete.

BTW! Plenty of asphalt contractors in NJ but the "key thing" is finding a good one in a industry filled with sub standard contractors.
 

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A quality asphalt driveway is very long lived and IMO looks better (softer) in many situations. Especially, when it needs to be irregular and large/ long. Concrete is very hard (looking) and can overpower a property. It's most often done in a linear fashion -- not always what the property requires. My suburban house has a concrete drive .... but it's not overly long .. it's still a strong statement.

I have done both .... the key to both is finding the best contractor. In the Mid-Atlantic -- with the winters we have after 20-25 years there will be some concrete cracking somewhere with even the best jobs.

At my new place in PA where there are many good asphalt contractors .... it's much cheaper vs doing the exposed aggregate concrete that I like to do. My plan is a mix ... apron and parking near the out-building in concrete ... asphalt out and around to the street. I like to do the street strip in concrete or cobblestone.

If you plan on doing any work on it -- concrete is much better in that location. I find for general maintenance ... cleaning/ snow ...hose off. Asphalt is better
 

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The topic of painting asphalt reminds me of a neighbor where I lived in FL. They had paved the entire front yard, and painted it green. Tiny yard, in a retirement community, but still. I always wanted to sneak over there on Halloween and paint dandelions all over it.
 

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My home in Tucson, AZ has a large asphalt driveway and I must say I prefer the appearance of it over concrete. With the garage addition I built, I am pouring a slab for the section between the new garage door and the sliding gate, but on the exterior of the gate leading to the street I'm considering going with asphalt to match the home.

Another aspect of asphalt is that it is essentially hydrated when motor oil leaks onto it, right? :lol:
 

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I have to say, I'm surprised that some of these hot climate states use asphalt. I'm in Maryland and I've got tire dents in my asphalt driveway from when my truck sat in the same spot for a couple months.
 

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And I personally know of about 100 that were knocked down after 40 years because they were unsafe. A buddy of mine would take them down for free and recoupe the old barwood to sell for big $$$.

Perhaps its a function of climate, or materials....but pole barns live a very long life down here. I have replaced completely rusted out sheetmetal on pole barns whose wood looks as good as the day it was built.
 

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Concrete is very hard (looking) and can overpower a property. It's most often done in a linear fashion -- not always what the property requires. My suburban house has a concrete drive .... but it's not overly long .. it's still a strong statement.

Agreed 100%. A long square concrete drive looks cold.
 
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