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Attached shed questions.

Todd.Brock

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Hey all looking to build a shed to hold non automotive, equipment,etc. I want to build it on the back side behind the garage. This will house the 80gallon air compressor as well. The panel is just on the other side of the wall. My questions are, how do attach I walls to the existing structure? I assume I will pull off the siding and just attach to the studs? How do I figure the pitch of the roof. I would like it to be about 8 feet at the lowest point. So figure about 10 feet at the back? For the foundation I was going to pour four inch with wire mesh for reinforcement. Do I have to build side walls a few inches high to keep water out? I'm full of questions. I am looking at about 12 ish feet long and come out about 5 feet. Also, for a door, could I use a commercial steel door? For reference, the garage is 20 feet wide. Does anyone have any pictures of a similar project or where I could start researching?:thumbup:
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Motofixxer

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For starters you will likely have to have concrete frost walls because your attaching it all to the house. At a minimum you will probably need some concrete pylons going down about 4ft then frame your flooring members off that. Your elevation of your finish floor height is determined by the elevation of your existing garage floor. Or you can lower the new floor and make a step down from garage. Kinda depends on what you plan on using for the floor concrete or lumber. You will have to find out whats required in the local code for your area.

Then for the walls you would remove the siding and fasten new walls to old garage wall. The roof depends on what type of roof your putting on, flat roof I assume?
 

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Like most homeowners, we tend to over-simplify projects. Your first task should be to check construction permit requirements. If you (or future owners) plan to store gas cans, lawnmower, snow blower, ATVs, propane tanks, motorcycle, etc. in the new space, OR the room becomes an extension of the existing garage, it must be finished with fire-rated material, generally sheetrock. The sheetrock is installed as a barrier to fire that might start in the storage area, and slows the fire’s progression to the living area. In Texas, garages must be completely sheet-rocked, taped, and finished; some states and locales allow the common wall only to be finished.

If your existing garage has sheetrock on the walls and ceiling, the home most likely shares the attic space above the garage. If this is the case, the new room will require finishing, or at least a fire rated door if adjoined by a door. Keep in mind that un-permitted construction can be ordered removed at your expense. It could also impede the future sale of your home. Don’t take chances with the safety of your family or the investment in your home.

The sill plate, (bottom of the wall) should be treated lumber and typically installed using a foam gasket or caulking to prevent water infiltration. If you plan concrete extending out away from the room addition, a concrete ledge would be warranted as the siding extends below top of the slab. The 4” slab is thick enough for support, but as Motofixxer indicated, proper footings are required. The permit should dictate the proper depth, width, and reinforcement required for your geographical area. I always heard the rule that if you connect the addition to the house, you connect the foundations as well. Typically, the new slab is connected using dowel rods made of rebar. With annual frost and ground movement, you don’t want the new slab to buckle or pull away from the existing structure.

I assume you are referring to the electrical “panel” being on the “other side of the wall”. I would expect to see a visible service connection on the outside of the house either coming up if buried or at the roofline if overhead. Most electrical services connect at the side of the home as easements are typically designated between houses. You will need to contact the electrical provider to ensure you don’t have an issue building at the back of the garage. Moving the electrical service can get expensive.

If I were you, I would extend the building to at least 10 feet. The additional cost is minimal and one can always use more space. You might want to consider a gable addition rather than a simple lean-to. The gable addition will provide sidewalls that are the same height as the back of the existing garage, eliminating pitch and slope issues and allowing gutters to wrap around the new addition. The gable will cost a bit more as it requires additional roof surface, but it will enhance the architecture on the back of the home.

I’m not a contractor, just another homeowner about to take on a similar project. My addition is 10x20 feet and includes a hip roof rather than a gable. I am planning to hire a contractor to do most of the work, but I will finish the interior as I want to add insulation, more electrical runs and additional bracing as I plan for cabinets and shelving.

If you plan do the work yourself, study and research the construction details thoroughly. There are lots of images and diagrams on the internet to provide details of the footings, slab, walls, and rafters, but make sure the design is applicable to your area. A couple of friends helping can increase confidence as well. Good luck with your project.
 

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I say it depends on whether you want to permit it or not, and whether you want it to appear as a part of the house. If you just want simple and no permit hassles, you could build a lean-to type with enclosed walls, keeping the siding on or take it off for the section covered by the shed. Pour a pad like you suggest. I would lag some 4x4 to the studs of the garage wall, and run a 4x4 or 4x6 depending on span length beam across the top. So in effect your lean to is self-supporting and not built onto the garage, just held against the garage. Then build your walls and roof. I would put siding to match and use whatever door you want, but make it 4 ft wide at least. Maybe build a custom door for max width when open. Make a small hole to pass your air and electric through.

I do understand this is all non-permitted, but if you make it nice to match the house it would not be a big deal and being a self-supporting lean-to, it is really not a permanent addition. I would make it more than your proposed 5 x 12 ft, maybe 8 ft wide as that makes easy for covering and at least 12 ft long.
 

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Think about resale of the house if you're building unpermitted, unless you'll be there forever. If not permitted I'd disturb the original house the least possible in case the shed needs removed.

The roof pitch is figured in inches of rise per one horizontal foot. Yours looks to be about a 6 in 12 pitch. If you are adding 5 feet of floor, then 5ft X 6"pitch = 30" of fall from your starting roof to ending roof.

I'd think about a free standing building. In my area you can build a 10X12 building with no permit. 120 sq ft patio covers also need no permit. It just has to meet minimum property line setbacks and be three feet minimum from the existing house. (check your local building code)

I made this one for my wife's **** room... wuups I mean 'craft room'.
It has an attached patio on the other end.


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For starters you will likely have to have concrete frost walls because your attaching it all to the house.

I agree this is the first thing you need to think about. If the shed is on a slab it will move up and down as the ground freezes and thaws, while the garage/house stays in one place.
 
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Todd.Brock

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Thanks for all the great replies. I would love to have access from inside the garage. However,cutting through the house wall and frost wall is likely something that I would sway away from. I don't have any problems permitting. The panel is in the front corner of the garage on the outside wall of the garage. Right at the satellite dish, just e front of that wall. I under stand what you mean about the shed moving and the house not moving. I think 12x8 would be a good size??
 
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Motofixxer

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If you attach it to the garage, it has to have a foundation below the frost line. So you have to figure out if you want to attach it or leave it free standing and just run lines through the the walls. Then plan from there accordingly.
 
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