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battlegraduate09

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I was just curious, as a co-worker and I were talking about this the other day...

Who here uses their tools as a tax write off and has it helped or hindered you in any way?
 
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I write off what I spend. The only way it will hurt you if you are honest about it is it goes against your gross income. So if you are planning on buying a house or other large purchase on credit, keep that in mind.
 
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Of course I will be honest about it. But my toolbox retails for over 5 grand (not sure if toolbox counts or not) but I spend quite a bit of money in tools and had never really thought about it before. I was using tools before i was a full time tech, only difference is now i buy more and they are more expensive.
 

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I write off the tools that I buy for the year. It depends on how much you make and spend, it changes every year. Last year was about 3% of your gross I think. Your tax program or person should be able to tell you. I usually get bout a third back from taxes
 

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If you use it to make your income, it counts. Ive written off 10 grand a year for the past several years with no ill affects. I am in the process of buying a house right now and it lopped 10k off my income, so this topic kinda hit close to home.
 

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When I was a low-voltage tech I'd write off all my tools. I was self-employed, so I had to pay all my own taxes. Writing off my tool purchases did help at the end of the year. But like they said earlier it brings your gross income down so it appears you make less than you do, which can hurt you when buying a home or something else where DTI ratio is important.
 
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If you use it to make your income, it counts. Ive written off 10 grand a year for the past several years with no ill affects. I am in the process of buying a house right now and it lopped 10k off my income, so this topic kinda hit close to home.

do you care to elaborate anymore ? This was basically the information i was looking for. My toolbox alone retails for over 5 grand and i bought it this year. As well as several other higher priced tools. I was afraid of writing them off and then finding myself in a situation should i buy a house or another vehicle which i am also looking at doing.
 

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do you care to elaborate anymore ? This was basically the information i was looking for. My toolbox alone retails for over 5 grand and i bought it this year. As well as several other higher priced tools. I was afraid of writing them off and then finding myself in a situation should i buy a house or another vehicle which i am also looking at doing.

Basically what mrjaw said above. Say you make 50k and write off 10k. When you apply for a loan, the bank will see it as you only making 40k a year. It will change your debt to income ratio for the worse since your income is now lower. Luckily it didnt affect me to the point of not getting my loan, but a good friend of mine was unable to get a home loan because of his tool write offs the year before.
 
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ah, we must have posted about the same time. I didnt read his. Thanks for the information.

A guy at work was trying to tell me I would have to pay personal property taxes and this and that, wasnt sure how much truth there was to that.
 
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I was going to write a reply but then did a search instead and several people wrote better responses. :lol:

Anyway, try reading this thread...especially #6 from logical

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103790



Thanks anyways.

Even though that detailed reply in the link you gave was great with big words and all, that wasnt the information i was looking for. I know how to take my taxes to a tax place and have them done.

I was just curious of the members that do it here, and if certain people had been hindered by it.
 
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I did it one year as young single guy and even thou I spent thousands that year, it didn't make one diffference on my taxes. The last place I work they had some sort of program that basiclly wrote our tools off every week. I was taxed on 2/3 of my income and other 1/3 was tax free. My buddy who is a cpa said it was shady at best, but legal.
 

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I would think tools would go under business expenses for the every-day guy. This is taken as an itemization on your taxes. If you are single and don't own a home, you'd have to spend around $5500 or so (don't remember off the top of my head) in various deductions to be over the standard deduction. If you are married you have to come up with $11k. If you own a home/pay property taxes etc that is an itemized deduction so you can probably do pretty well with itemizing. Last year I paid around $8k in property tax/interest but I was able to itemize around $17k. I don't work as a mechanic but as a pilot so slightly different things that I deduct but they add up.

I don't see how a bank would ever count your itemized deductions against income. They look at your gross income which is by definition income before deductions, and at your pay checks you get which you do not itemize from.

http://www.ehow.com/how_6085091_claim-tool-purchases-taxes.html
 
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do you care to elaborate anymore ? This was basically the information i was looking for. My toolbox alone retails for over 5 grand and i bought it this year. As well as several other higher priced tools. I was afraid of writing them off and then finding myself in a situation should i buy a house or another vehicle which i am also looking at doing.

I think you can also deduct partially on big purchases like a box. It all ends up giving you the same deduction but it's taken off a little each year. Talk to your tax person. :thumbup:
 

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It's obviously only worthwhile if you can itemize more than the standard deduction. I've done so for years, it adds up and gives what amounts to a discount on tools.

I never would have thought about if affecting your debt to income ratio, but if that is a concern it should only effect mortgages as that's the only loan that looks at adjusted income versus grosse.
 

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I've deducted tools for years and have never had an issue with DTI ratings. I've always shown my W2 when asked about annual income. What you earn and waht you take home are 2 different things.

BTW the tools that you've been buying up over the years can be an asset to list when looking at mortgage loans. I have a substantial $ amount in tools that I list on my asset sheet in my financials.
 

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Yes, add all of your receipts up and deduct it when you itemize. My first 3 years building up tools and a big box I deducted probably $22,000 of purchases. If you us it for 1 minute at work its a deduction. Don't forget boots and clothing etc. I would have never thought to do it but my HR Block rep I used for years always pushed it so I started tracking it all. Takes like 10 min to add it all up. Well worth it.
 

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I've deducted tools for years and have never had an issue with DTI ratings. I've always shown my W2 when asked about annual income. What you earn and waht you take home are 2 different things.

BTW the tools that you've been buying up over the years can be an asset to list when looking at mortgage loans. I have a substantial $ amount in tools that I list on my asset sheet in my financials.

Yeah WTF are they talking about adjusted income? If you are not self employed banks look at your gross income, minus debts like car loans, credit cards, etc.
 

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when I was an alignment guy (18 years worth) yes I deducted my tools as I was able to itemize anyway with mortgage interest and such. as it turns out I may be headed back to turning wrenches, shoulda never left.
 

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Yeah WTF are they talking about adjusted income? If you are not self employed banks look at your gross income, minus debts like car loans, credit cards, etc.

LOL.

Pipsters read my mind.

There is gross income, and AGI, adjusted gross income.

Banks look at gross income, your expenses and your credit. Unless you have an ongoing revolving truck credit account on the books (not cash weekly truck account) or a use an employee account where your paycheck is charged each pay period for tools or a fee, what tools you buy and how you deduct them is inconsequential. Just like if the bank wants to know if you eat at Wendy's everyday. Not their business. Look at my bank statements for the big picture.

They see my bank accounts, credit business and gross income. And the main bills I pay.

Deducting tools is legal as long as following the IRS guidelines.

I don't see the fuss. Especially with any loan or mortgage loans. Tax deductions are only part of the 1040 form. Loan officers look at GI and AGI and debt as well as a myriad of other things to formulate the final risk #'s.
 
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Look over all of the responses well, two types of people replied to this thread, some were self employed and some were employed by someone and they have different tax implications. Self employed people can deduct tool expenses like was said as a business expense. As these people said this method works great but it reduces their gross income.

I assume you are an employee of someone else. In that case you can deduct them as an itemized deduction similar to home mortgage interest, but only if you itemize deductions and do not take the standard deduction as said. Unfortunately, since the 1980s the amount that you can deduct has been limited. An amount equal to 2% of your income (plus your spouse's income if filing jointly) is not deductible. So say you make $50K and you spend $3000 on tools. You cannot deduct the first 2% or $1000, so your deduction is limited to $2000. So tax planning is important, if you made some big purchases this year you can maximize your deduction if you have something else to buy, to do it before the end of the year rather than waiting until the first of the year. On the other hand if you were thinking of buying a few things now, then holding off until next year to make a few big purchases, you might be better of waiting until the first of the year to make those few purchases you were currently planning.
 
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