Aussie 16x10m (53x33ft) new build
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Q777 wow that is a great effort.
HOTFR8
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Nice to see this topic showing some great progress.
Pluribus
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That's going to be a great space, and it looks like you have some fun toys to put inside it!
gazza
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Thanks for the update, great progress. I can be hard to find the time and money to keep moving forward but then you look at what you have achieved and how good it is and then planning how your going to use it.
Lots of satisfaction just knowing you have done all the work to achieve exactly what you need.
I have a pair of aluminium trestles the same as the ones in your picture, dont those big steps seems to get larger as the day goes on!
Looking forward to more updates and move in time.
Lots of satisfaction just knowing you have done all the work to achieve exactly what you need.
I have a pair of aluminium trestles the same as the ones in your picture, dont those big steps seems to get larger as the day goes on!
Looking forward to more updates and move in time.
hewey
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I can't believe it was a 9 month pause. Great to see a good chunk of progress on it.
Now I’m back to the dilemma of whether to get single phase or 3 phase power to the shed. I already have 3 phase in the house for the air cond, so I’m inclined to run 3 phase to the shed.
I’ve already bought a 4 post hoist and it’s single phase, but I can get a screaming deal on a 5.5hp 25cfm air compressor and a welder. They’re both 3 phase, but the extra install cost of 3 phase would hopefully be less than what I’d save by getting the welder and compressor.
If I ever sell the place I think that there’d be an expectation that a decent sized shed really should already have 3 phase power.
Next step is to how if directional/trenchless boring is viable to go from my shed, under a 4m high rock wall, and out 25m to the house. If not, because a trench would be about 50 metres of carnage and rework, I’m thinking about running an above ground setup and having a 5 metre pole lifting the line from the house, over the bank and down to the shed.
I’ve already bought a 4 post hoist and it’s single phase, but I can get a screaming deal on a 5.5hp 25cfm air compressor and a welder. They’re both 3 phase, but the extra install cost of 3 phase would hopefully be less than what I’d save by getting the welder and compressor.
If I ever sell the place I think that there’d be an expectation that a decent sized shed really should already have 3 phase power.
Next step is to how if directional/trenchless boring is viable to go from my shed, under a 4m high rock wall, and out 25m to the house. If not, because a trench would be about 50 metres of carnage and rework, I’m thinking about running an above ground setup and having a 5 metre pole lifting the line from the house, over the bank and down to the shed.
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Q777 go for the three phase you will never regret it.
gazza
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I agree, go 3 phase.
Apart from the extra cost once you have it you will save more than that every time you buy a 3 phase piece of equipment compared to a single phase.
1/2 cup knows all about 3 phase even his solar is 3 phase.
Apart from the extra cost once you have it you will save more than that every time you buy a 3 phase piece of equipment compared to a single phase.
1/2 cup knows all about 3 phase even his solar is 3 phase.
I’d love to have used solar and battery storage for the shed, but the sun doesn’t get a straight shot at the roof for very much of the day with all of the trees around.
So.... I thought it would be nice to get the wiring underground from the house to the shed. Running a trench from the sub box down along the side of the house, across the driveway and up to the shed has it’s challenges and cost$$$. I recorded a quick video to show a couple of trenchless/directional boring companies what I hoped to do to run the wiring under my driveway.
They said it’s not feasible or economical to do what I wanted...
Now I’m back to the time honoured tradition of digging a hole in the ground, throwing an 8m pole in there and running the wire overhead from hose to shed. Exactly like most houses in the area run to get their power from the street around here.
The pole would sit beside the driveway as the high point. There would be a 1.8m pole coming up off the eave of the house to give legal clearance for the wire, and the wire would then be a full 5 metres minimum above the driveway (which is also an easement for one extra house). I don’t want any trucks or machinery to not be able to get through because I did the basics and kept the wire height closer to 3 metres above the ground...
Running the pole from the corner of the house keeps it completely clear of 90% of the tall eucalypts around here, so that goes a long way to alleviating my one single fear of a tree taking out the power line and starting a bushfire.
Thanks for any thoughts on whether this is a reasonable option or whether I’m making a mistake.
So.... I thought it would be nice to get the wiring underground from the house to the shed. Running a trench from the sub box down along the side of the house, across the driveway and up to the shed has it’s challenges and cost$$$. I recorded a quick video to show a couple of trenchless/directional boring companies what I hoped to do to run the wiring under my driveway.
Now I’m back to the time honoured tradition of digging a hole in the ground, throwing an 8m pole in there and running the wire overhead from hose to shed. Exactly like most houses in the area run to get their power from the street around here.
The pole would sit beside the driveway as the high point. There would be a 1.8m pole coming up off the eave of the house to give legal clearance for the wire, and the wire would then be a full 5 metres minimum above the driveway (which is also an easement for one extra house). I don’t want any trucks or machinery to not be able to get through because I did the basics and kept the wire height closer to 3 metres above the ground...
Running the pole from the corner of the house keeps it completely clear of 90% of the tall eucalypts around here, so that goes a long way to alleviating my one single fear of a tree taking out the power line and starting a bushfire.
Thanks for any thoughts on whether this is a reasonable option or whether I’m making a mistake.
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Q777 you are a little shaded for solar.
You underground idea is very doable and you may have guessed that I am not a huge fan of overheads particularly in a fire prone area which it looks like yours is.
Trench from the shed to the rock face trasition to water pipe on the surface of the rock face then trench the rest of the way.
Yes sure it will be a little more expensive but will give you long term peace of mind.
We use this method all the time at work.
Regards
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You underground idea is very doable and you may have guessed that I am not a huge fan of overheads particularly in a fire prone area which it looks like yours is.
Trench from the shed to the rock face trasition to water pipe on the surface of the rock face then trench the rest of the way.
Yes sure it will be a little more expensive but will give you long term peace of mind.
We use this method all the time at work.
Regards
Regards
Thanks for your advice. Trust me, I won’t be doing the wiring myself but I really like to have a bit more of a clue before I call an electrician or excavator...
Can I just check if you mean that it’s possible to run a water pipe at surface level on the rock wall, or does it also need to be trenched 600mm into the wall face?
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Thanks for your advice. Trust me, I won’t be doing the wiring myself but I really like to have a bit more of a clue before I call an electrician or excavator...
Can I just check if you mean that it’s possible to run a water pipe at surface level on the rock wall, or does it also need to be trenched 600mm into the wall face?
You are on to it, that's the idea
gazza
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A couple of other things to think about.
Dont forget to add a plastic conduit in your trench (if you go that way) so you can add cat6 cables for internet access and a security system, and anything else you might like to add in the future
I added a couple of small conduits from the house to my shed in the same trench as my power nearly 18 years ago, mainly for a phone. Fast forward about 2 years ago I added another conduit for a couple of cat6's when I trenched from the house to the shed for a water pipe and septic, so easy to do when you have an open trench.
I dont know of the costs involved but have you looked into using a "rock saw" something like this
https://www.dryhireonline.com.au/trenching-equipment/ditch-witch-rt115-rock-saw
Dont forget to add a plastic conduit in your trench (if you go that way) so you can add cat6 cables for internet access and a security system, and anything else you might like to add in the future
I added a couple of small conduits from the house to my shed in the same trench as my power nearly 18 years ago, mainly for a phone. Fast forward about 2 years ago I added another conduit for a couple of cat6's when I trenched from the house to the shed for a water pipe and septic, so easy to do when you have an open trench.
I dont know of the costs involved but have you looked into using a "rock saw" something like this
https://www.dryhireonline.com.au/trenching-equipment/ditch-witch-rt115-rock-saw
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Gazza, good ideas thanks mate. I’ll definitely run another conduit. It will probably just be used to extend my wifi/internet access for the security system.
Unfortunately, I don’t have space st the house end for that machine you linked. For the 8m from the driveway to the shed, I might crack out the jackhammer and do a bit of manual work, then concrete over the top. I still haven’t decided whether to concrete the whole new driveway, or to get asphalt. I’ve decided against bitumen as I don’t want to constantly drag little stones into the shed when I drive in.
1/2, I was thinking about water. Rather than tap into the existing tanks/pump on the property, I plan to run the shed gutters into a smallish (2000 litre?) water tank which will be mounted above work bench height, on the outside wall. It can then gravity feed into a wash basin beside/in the work bench.
In a way, 2000 litres is too big for basically just hand washing, and it’s not enough to plumb it into a bushfire protection system (diesel driven water pump and plumbed fitting on the roof and gutters). I might have to think about that some more.
Unfortunately, I don’t have space st the house end for that machine you linked. For the 8m from the driveway to the shed, I might crack out the jackhammer and do a bit of manual work, then concrete over the top. I still haven’t decided whether to concrete the whole new driveway, or to get asphalt. I’ve decided against bitumen as I don’t want to constantly drag little stones into the shed when I drive in.
1/2, I was thinking about water. Rather than tap into the existing tanks/pump on the property, I plan to run the shed gutters into a smallish (2000 litre?) water tank which will be mounted above work bench height, on the outside wall. It can then gravity feed into a wash basin beside/in the work bench.
In a way, 2000 litres is too big for basically just hand washing, and it’s not enough to plumb it into a bushfire protection system (diesel driven water pump and plumbed fitting on the roof and gutters). I might have to think about that some more.
Day 2 of sheeting. End walls battens are on and the end wall sheeting is nearly done. Gaps in the roof are for the translucent sheeting and another quarter of the roof Colorbond is in place.
They guys are only available on a Saturday and we were rained out last Saturday. Forecast for rain again this Saturday, so only spending 1 day per fortnight is slowing progress a little more than I’d like...
There’s a can of beer on the second batten, which was a good reminder of how tall a 5m eave is on a shed.
I’m thinking about hanging a 150W LED high bay light from each of the 3 centre frames. This will make mounting them easy and will alternate the vertical space between translucent panels and high bay lights. I’ll then run some pallet racks the length of an end wall. For the small additional cost, I might as well get pallet racking 4.2m high. At one end of it, I’ll build a bench into the shelving and have lots of additional lighting in that space.
When I buy things, I generally figure that there is the cheap imported stuff on EBay, and the good stuff you buy from reputable Aussie companies. For LED high bays, it seems like it all comes out of the same factory and just gets a different label stuck to it. Unless anyone has any opinions otherwise, I’m looking at getting these for under $50 each delivered to my door. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4X-150W...rentrq:c89e9e571630aca4755f154efffad638|iid:1
I’ve started a thread in the Vintage Tools section asking about brands, because I’m also starting my search for some cool old tools to go on and beside the bench. I’ve picked up a Record No.6 bench vice which is a sturdy old beast and it looks like it has original paint on it. It will outlast humanity...
Now I’m looking for an old Australian or maybe British drill press, bench grinder and linisher. People on Gumtree know the value of solid old machinery - and probably ask 50% to 100% above what I’ve seen stuff sell for at local auction places. I’ll still check there, but I might do some garage sale / swap meet scrounging to see what pops up. One benefit in going with 3 phase power is that I can hopefully find stuff that the single phase buyers aren’t interested in...
They guys are only available on a Saturday and we were rained out last Saturday. Forecast for rain again this Saturday, so only spending 1 day per fortnight is slowing progress a little more than I’d like...
There’s a can of beer on the second batten, which was a good reminder of how tall a 5m eave is on a shed.
I’m thinking about hanging a 150W LED high bay light from each of the 3 centre frames. This will make mounting them easy and will alternate the vertical space between translucent panels and high bay lights. I’ll then run some pallet racks the length of an end wall. For the small additional cost, I might as well get pallet racking 4.2m high. At one end of it, I’ll build a bench into the shelving and have lots of additional lighting in that space.
When I buy things, I generally figure that there is the cheap imported stuff on EBay, and the good stuff you buy from reputable Aussie companies. For LED high bays, it seems like it all comes out of the same factory and just gets a different label stuck to it. Unless anyone has any opinions otherwise, I’m looking at getting these for under $50 each delivered to my door. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/4X-150W...rentrq:c89e9e571630aca4755f154efffad638|iid:1
I’ve started a thread in the Vintage Tools section asking about brands, because I’m also starting my search for some cool old tools to go on and beside the bench. I’ve picked up a Record No.6 bench vice which is a sturdy old beast and it looks like it has original paint on it. It will outlast humanity...
Now I’m looking for an old Australian or maybe British drill press, bench grinder and linisher. People on Gumtree know the value of solid old machinery - and probably ask 50% to 100% above what I’ve seen stuff sell for at local auction places. I’ll still check there, but I might do some garage sale / swap meet scrounging to see what pops up. One benefit in going with 3 phase power is that I can hopefully find stuff that the single phase buyers aren’t interested in...
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Q777 that beer can really puts things into prospective.
Looking good.
Looking good.
OK, so it seems I dropped the ball by not continuing this shed build thread, so here’s a quick update to say that I love having a bit of space to play with cars. I made the mistake of moving everything in before deciding what to do with the floor surface. It meant a bit of shuffling of benches and cars, I’m really happy to have chosen the 400mm (16”) tiles. It keeps the floor so much cleaner than the untreated concrete surface.
I put in about 8m of benches, 4 vices, a hoist, air compressor, drill press, bench grinder and various other goodies to make life easier.
Very happy with how it all turned out! (Photo looking neat without the floor, and the next after I started making a mess
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I put in about 8m of benches, 4 vices, a hoist, air compressor, drill press, bench grinder and various other goodies to make life easier.
Very happy with how it all turned out! (Photo looking neat without the floor, and the next after I started making a mess
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472 - in summer, it’s cooler inside as I can open up the 8’ high roller door at the back and the 14’ high doors in the front and get great airflow.
In our mild winters, the temp is about the same inside and out.
I don’t know how much the insulation sheeting actually works, and in fact I really only installed it to try to prevent consideration forming on the underside of the roof sheets st night and dropping onto the cars. Whether it’s the roof height, airflow or insulation, something is working well!
Having 4 strips of the translucent roof sheeting is amazing. It often feels lighter inside than out as the sun’s going down, but the way the light dissipates through the panels, there’s no glare during the day.
In our mild winters, the temp is about the same inside and out.
I don’t know how much the insulation sheeting actually works, and in fact I really only installed it to try to prevent consideration forming on the underside of the roof sheets st night and dropping onto the cars. Whether it’s the roof height, airflow or insulation, something is working well!
Having 4 strips of the translucent roof sheeting is amazing. It often feels lighter inside than out as the sun’s going down, but the way the light dissipates through the panels, there’s no glare during the day.
FrankN.
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Thats a great look , only red nice cars
regards from germany
Frank
regards from germany
Frank
Geoff289
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I don't know how I have missed this in the past, I usually follow the Australian projects very closely.
Great shed. I'm sure I'm not alone in being envious. Those Cobras and the Gal in the corner have me drooling too, even though it looks like you have a Chev in one of the Cobras which I can't endorse.
Great shed. I'm sure I'm not alone in being envious. Those Cobras and the Gal in the corner have me drooling too, even though it looks like you have a Chev in one of the Cobras which I can't endorse.
Geoff, you’re right. One has a BBF, but the other was factory built by Steve Arntz in California about 40 years ago with a BBC. The Gal is actually an old Mercury Comet. I’m giving it a bit of a performance upgrade at the moment.
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Geoff289
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A Barra powered Comet I can certainly endorse! Very cool! Wouldn't be many of those around.
Ralf99
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A turbo’d Barra? Super sweet collection!
hewey
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I'm sensing a bit of a theme when it comes to colour! That's a heck of a nice car collection though.