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I am hoping to find out today about tool discounts and any relationships the school may have with vendors. My dad was a mechanic for the state back in the 60's and 70's and then went into autoparts in 1079 where he has been ever since. He has his old tools from then which are Stanley, SK, Craftsman and Ecco I think. He does not "see" the need for Snap-on tools because they are way over priced, but then again he has not done this "professionally" for 30 years now. Just thought I would add that info. :)
 
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Hey Merkava why is that depressing? I'm the lead technicain in the shop, turn out more work than anyone else there using Craftsman tools, really I've never had an issue with them, they hold up good for me and make me money, Like I said I use some Snap On tools, alot of my air tools like ratchets, impact hammer PH3050 is a brute, my impact swivel sockets and chrome universal sockets are Snappie but my basic 1/4, 3/8, and 1/2 sockets are Craftsman. If you only buy Snap On thats great man, but I use what holds up good for me and makes my family a living! :beer:

Sounds great to me. I only home wrench but I too am a huge Craftsman fan, SO is great for some of the specialty stuff though. :thumbup:
 
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my buddy jimmy , out of necessity , uses craftsman in the shop , it is amazing how quick those sockets break under pro use . he has to run back to the store a couple of times a week
Snappy costs a lot more now , all the more reason to take advantage
 

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Your'e young...Buy some good tools now.Just dont go overboard.Snap on will outlast your lifetime and whether you stay in the business or not good tools are always useful inyour everyday life.Believe me you will use them for the next thirty years.Get a good ratchet or two,metric, and sae wrenches,pliers can be channelock or klein,sockets can be craftsman impact sockets can be taiwan,and fill in the rest with gearwrench and craftsman.Having a few good tools makes them a pleasure to use.
 

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I work full-time as a mechanic. You'd be surprised how far you can go and how much you can do without loads of tools. i've been working full-time in the trade for about 14 months, until yesterday i had only a pair of 22" cantilever boxes. only ever really used one of them.

A lot of my sockets are Craftsman-grade, and i've never broken one. They get used all day every day and they never let me down. Never had a quality issue with them either. It all depends how you use and treat your tools, if you abuse them they will break. If you take care of them you won't have issues. Like high-torque situations, if i'm using a 24" breaker bar and putting a lot of force on it, i use an impact socket where possible, instead of a chrome one.

I do have a lot of Snap-on, most of which came cheap off eBay. Very little did i buy new, and most of that i got on special. My 1/4" and 3/8" torx sockets came free with my 1/4" and 3/8" torx bit drivers.

A good bunch of sockets (1/4" 3/8" & 1/2") from Craftsman, some second-hand Snap-on ratchets and some craftsman wrenches and screwdrivers will get you far. I use Stanley pliers, because they're good and are well priced. The majority of job, particulary when staring out, will be handled with that kind of array. You'll find other things you need, you'll borrow tools and then buy you own like them and so on. It's a proccess. Rome wasn't built in a day, and neither was anyone's tool collection.
 

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my buddy jimmy , out of necessity , uses craftsman in the shop , it is amazing how quick those sockets break under pro use . he has to run back to the store a couple of times a week
Snappy costs a lot more now , all the more reason to take advantage

I don't care if you do make your living with them, if you are breaking and returning several craftsman sockets a week, I would say you must have missed a lesson or two in basic mechanics, are too ham fisted to wrench for a living, and need to find a different line of work.

I get tired of that same old BS line about SO being the only this or that to get the job done. It's a crock. Ya I like SO tools and enjoy using them and will even admit I prefer them to most anything else I own, but in the end if SO tools did not exist I would still get the job done just fine with one of the many other brands of fine mechanics hand tool brands I have in my box!

So BULL **** to Snap-on being the only brand you can wrench with. I would say for those in the trades it is the ideal choice, and the favorite brand, but make no mistake I am sure many guys get the job done just fine with Craftsman!
 

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Well, if a non-pro can weigh in here - get what you can afford. Whatever you do, DON'T go deep in debt right off trying to buy "The Best" or even all shiny new stuff - you'll spend a big chunk of your career paying it off - or worse - if the career choice doesn't go as well as planned. You can always upgrade as time - and more importantly money - allows. It'll be easier to sell the old stuff at a small loss when you replace it with better grade stuff, than it will be to sell/pawn the high $$$ stuff at a big loss if the bill collectors come knocking. New is not always necessary, there's lots of great used stuff out there with plenty of life left for a fraction of the new cost - you just have to take the time to look.

Personally to start, I'd go no lower than Craftsman on the quality scale (which is good quality generally anyway). Avoid, in general, the Harbor Freight, weekend truckload sale, ChiCom stuff. There are exceptions of course. Fleabay can be a great source for "less-than-new" quality stuff IF you're up to speed on the street value of what's being sold, and don't fall easily for bidding wars trying to be a "winner" at any cost.

For new stuff, Sears/Craftsman has some killer deals on big combined sets from time to time - just be sure to check what's really in the sets (Sears loves to fill some sets with hex keys, nut drivers, hacksaw blades, etc and count them individually in the "tool total"). If a big discount is available to you as a student from the drool-tool trucks, look at picking up a few of the high use/high importance-for-quality stuff like a few ratchets, few air tools, specialty tools, specialty sockets, etc. Just don't go overboard.

Same on tool storage - while that shiny new mega-small-car sized roll cab might allow for plenty of room to grow into, you may well find that the payments won't allow for filling the drawers. I'm not too surprised by all the "like new" mega-cabinets I see advertised locally and on fleabay - the cool factor overrode common sense and the wallet, then reality set in and up they go from people desperate to get out from under the mega-sized payments.

All just IMHO of course.
 

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I don't care if you do make your living with them, if you are breaking and returning several craftsman sockets a week, I would say you must have missed a lesson or two in basic mechanics, are too ham fisted to wrench for a living, and need to find a different line of work.

I get tired of that same old BS line about SO being the only this or that to get the job done. It's a crock. Ya I like SO tools and enjoy using them and will even admit I prefer them to most anything else I own, but in the end if SO tools did not exist I would still get the job done just fine with one of the many other brands of fine mechanics hand tool brands I have in my box!

So BULL **** to Snap-on being the only brand you can wrench with. I would say for those in the trades it is the ideal choice, and the favorite brand, but make no mistake I am sure many guys get the job done just fine with Craftsman!

:beer: UB speak da truth! :lol:
 
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I don't care if you do make your living with them, if you are breaking and returning several craftsman sockets a week, I would say you must have missed a lesson or two in basic mechanics, are too ham fisted to wrench for a living, and need to find a different line of work....

So BULL **** to Snap-on being the only brand you can wrench with. I would say for those in the trades it is the ideal choice, and the favorite brand, but make no mistake I am sure many guys get the job done just fine with Craftsman!

Word. If this guy is breaking stuff, he must be using wrong size for the job or not going about things in an orderly (by the manual) fashion.

I worked for many years with my dad and his 60s/70s vintage Cman tools. Craftsman is the way to begin any tool collection. Lots of prior similar threads suggest to go higher quality on the very high use items as bolded in some previous posts.
 

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I get tired of that same old BS line about SO being the only this or that to get the job done. It's a crock.
It's the same mentality that proclaims that Harley is the best motorcycle in the world...
...which makes me wonder why the first thing Harley owners do is change out a bunch of parts, surely you can't improve upon perfection? ;)
 

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It's the same mentality that proclaims that Harley is the best motorcycle in the world...
...which makes me wonder why the first thing Harley owners do is change out a bunch of parts, surely you can't improve upon perfection? ;)

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The discount is like this. Included in the cost of the school is a required toolset from Matco. It is a basic $1100 set that you get for $700 and then you get the extra $400 applied to your account as credit for buying more tools as you need them. That is what the school does for you. I did get my hands on a Craftsman tools catalog as well as a Matco catalog.
 

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19 years ago - I was A scale and had the same toolbox I have now

When guys learn of my age they often say "19 years ago i was an A tech/a profeesional wrecher/etc.." Well, 19 years ago i was being born.

Anyway, Craftsmas is perfect for starting out. Look after your tools, they'll look after you. I've always worked with that belief and it's held true to me so far.
 

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Actually he probably will never see SO tools discounted so steeply again as when he is in trade school. While he is in school he will be able to get as much as 50% discount on whatever he wants, but once he leaves school he will not get quite that amount of discount. I agree debt is bad, he really needs to weigh it all out.
What I meant was that he'd be in school for a while so he could pick up SO later on once he better knew what he would need most.
 
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When guys learn of my age they often say "19 years ago i was an A tech/a profeesional wrecher/etc.." Well, 19 years ago i was being born.

Anyway, Craftsmas is perfect for starting out. Look after your tools, they'll look after you. I've always worked with that belief and it's held true to me so far.

got a problem with being a noob ?
 

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got a problem with being a noob ?

No, it seems that a lot of people have a problem with me being a (relative) noob. Often, when experienced guys learn of my ages, they discrad anything i have to say as trash because i've not spent so much time in the field and have no qualifications or certification.

Age and ability are not that closely linked, many don't see that.

:)
 

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No, it seems that a lot of people have a problem with me being a (relative) noob. Often, when experienced guys learn of my ages, they discrad anything i have to say as trash because i've not spent so much time in the field and have no qualifications or certification.

Age and ability are not that closely linked, many don't see that.

:)

Hey, if it makes you feel better, I've got 10 years on you and I'd love to have even 1/4 of your mechanical knowledge.
 

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No, it seems that a lot of people have a problem with me being a (relative) noob. Often, when experienced guys learn of my ages, they discrad anything i have to say as trash because i've not spent so much time in the field and have no qualifications or certification.

Age and ability are not that closely linked, many don't see that.

:)

Na, don't pay any attention to them, at 46 (my age) there are still plenty of things young guys that wrench for a living can teach older guys so pay them no mind. As for bein a noob, every one of had to make a first post here so that holds no water either. :thumbup:
 

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Na, don't pay any attention to them, at 46 (my age) there are still plenty of things young guys that wrench for a living can teach older guys so pay them no mind. As for bein a noob, every one of had to make a first post here so that holds no water either. :thumbup:

It never really bothers me. I got my nads, my knowledge and my tools. And if i got a problem, i got guys who can help with the stuff i don't know yet or can't do yet. :)
 
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