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mrholeshot

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It's a great ratchet, who cares who builds it. The price is fair for a really great quality ratchet. The one I bought to test I have used extensively since I bought it. I've broke lug nuts loose with it 2 foot pipe, Beat on it with a dead blow, Tore a old 396 Chevy down with it and have abused it trying to get a years worth of wear on it in a month. It's holding up very well. I'll post up when it breaks and tell you about any hassle in the warranty. BTW Friend of mine who owns a really nice machine shop test the Rockwell hardness of a Snap-On and the Duralast ratchet and they came up near identical.
 
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The nut swingers aren't going to like you dissing the "Emporer's new clothes" with facts!:beer:

I kinda agree with him though. Everyone raves about certain truck brands of tools as being a tool that a professional will only use, and nothing else. I'm a Certified A&P and worked doing that for a couple years. I also worked in the building trades for a few years, worked in a few small engine shops and worked in manufacturing before any of those other jobs. Granted I spent most of my adult life flying aircraft rather than fixing them. I can tell you I own nothing from Snap-On, and only a few MAC tools and was able to complete many jobs in these fields using various industrial brands as well as common pedestrian auto parts store tools and common hardware store tools. I own a lot of Proto hand tools and got into the habit of purchasing those later on because of my good experience with them in the manufacturing jobs that I had worked. I've known many professional automotive techs and aircraft mechanics and still know a few of those pros who use mix of tools include Craftsman handtools and many other auto store brands and pedestrian brand tools to get the job done everyday and these guys are damn good techs too with years of experience. I hear no complaints about those common brands from them, and never had many complaints myself. Just because a tool doesn't flash the fancy high end brand name on it doesn't meant it's not worthy. Kudos to Duralast. Sounds like a pretty good thing.
 

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Truth of the matter is if used as they are intended just about any brand of tool will do the job it was designed for.
 

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It's a great ratchet, who cares who builds it. The price is fair for a really great quality ratchet. The one I bought to test I have used extensively since I bought it. I've broke lug nuts loose with it 2 foot pipe, Beat on it with a dead blow, Tore a old 396 Chevy down with it and have abused it trying to get a years worth of wear on it in a month. It's holding up very well. I'll post up when it breaks and tell you about any hassle in the warranty. BTW Friend of mine who owns a really nice machine shop test the Rockwell hardness of a Snap-On and the Duralast ratchet and they came up near identical.

What is Rockwell hardness?:headscrat
 

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Seems to me that when testing the Rockwell hardness of a chrome plated steel tool, the chrome plating would interfere with an accurate reading between the two tools. Chrome being hard in general no matter who plated it. That being said I agree that if a tool is used right it will hold up long enough.
 

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I would like to say this, Duralast *****....
At first I used to like Duralast, but after alot of use.
I realized it sucked big time...... it broke while in middle of the job............
I also found that their really really warranty *****......
I had to use my crappy craftsman...... i would say the duralast is way better than the basic ones sears sell...
but i would not recommend it.... maybe 3 years ago I would...(I was 17 or 16 when I bought their 3 piece ratchet set, It inculded a long flex, a copy of F936, and shorty...

The their warranty *****, you need a receipt in order to get warrantied .. wait there is more.... So I took the only broken one...ok
I tell the guy it broken, Ok, he ask for receipt, ok I had on me...
autozone morons tells me to bring the whole set, and they will replace it,
I tell the the other ones are ok, I dont want new ones... I just want to replace the bad one..... after a few minutes the ***** gave the ok, it a real hassle to warranty.
As time is money.............


If you are going to buy ovearseas tools, I recommend gearwrench....
I just found out that all corp. napa carry SAE set for 8.99(I bought a 1/4, and 3/8)
It a good deal................
 
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Seems to me that when testing the Rockwell hardness of a chrome plated steel tool, the chrome plating would interfere with an accurate reading between the two tools. Chrome being hard in general no matter who plated it. That being said I agree that if a tool is used right it will hold up long enough.

I've never seen the machine in operation. I get him to check the hardness of crankshafts for me. He also does ultrasonic testing on new engine parts for me. This guy has some high tech stuff.
 

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I would like to say this, Duralast *****....
At first I used to like Duralast, but I after it weared down.
I realized it sucked big time...... it broke while in middle of the job............
............
I wear out Snap-On tools. Most of my tools break in the middle of the job. They don't break while they are in the box.:lol_hitti
 
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The great thing about being a mod is the predictability. No matter what day it is, it's always the same old same old.
 

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Got any pics of the Duralast ratchet showing where the test was done. Oh... And BS smells the same everywhere.
What part of "I've never seen the machine in operation" didn't you understand?? I sure wish you would take a reading comprehension course
 

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I've never seen the machine in operation. I get him to check the hardness of crankshafts for me. He also does ultrasonic testing on new engine parts for me. This guy has some high tech stuff.


I've seen a dial gauge one being used. It uses what looks like a conical tipped punch that presses the steel surface and measures the resistance. Usually leaves a small pin sized dent on the material being tested afterwards. Pretty simple tool, at least the one I saw. I'm sure they have better technology today that measures hardness. Keep in mind that Rockwell hardness doesn't always tell the whole story of durability. When it comes to steel, tinsle strength, hardness, and toughness are all different factors is how the steel is used, same goes for wear resistance, but wear resistance is more important on stuff like bearings or cutting tools made from steel - files, saw blades, etc. I'm no PhD in metallurgy or anything, but this is what I've understood and experienced with various steel products.
 

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I would like to say this, Duralast *****....
At first I used to like Duralast, but after alot of use.
I realized it sucked big time...... it broke while in middle of the job............
I also found that their really really warranty *****......
I had to use my crappy craftsman...... i would say the duralast is way better than the basic ones sears sell...
but i would not recommend it.... maybe 3 years ago I would...(I was 17 or 16 when I bought their 3 piece ratchet set, It inculded a long flex, a copy of F936, and shorty...

The their warranty *****, you need a receipt in order to get warrantied .. wait there is more.... So I took the only broken one...ok
I tell the guy it broken, Ok, he ask for receipt, ok I had on me...
autozone morons tells me to bring the whole set, and they will replace it,
I tell the the other ones are ok, I dont want new ones... I just want to replace the bad one..... after a few minutes the ***** gave the ok, it a real hassle to warranty.
As time is money.............


If you are going to buy ovearseas tools, I recommend gearwrench....
I just found out that all corp. napa carry SAE set for 8.99(I bought a 1/4, and 3/8)
It a good deal................

You just got bad service. No paperwork is ever needed to warranty a duralast tool. You just got an idiot.
 

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I've seen a dial gauge one being used. It uses what looks like a conical tipped punch that presses the steel surface and measures the resistance. Usually leaves a small pin sized dent on the material being tested afterwards. Pretty simple tool, at least the one I saw. I'm sure they have better technology today that measures hardness. Keep in mind that Rockwell hardness doesn't always tell the whole story of durability. When it comes to steel, tinsle strength, hardness, and toughness are all different factors is how the steel is used, same goes for wear resistance, but wear resistance is more important on stuff like bearings or cutting tools made from steel - files, saw blades, etc. I'm no PhD in metallurgy or anything, but this is what I've understood and experienced with various steel products.

I'm not sure even what his looks like. I've seen and older version in his old shop. I was just curious as to the hardness of the tool between one and the other. I just sent them down with a set of H beam rods he was checking for me.
 

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It's a great ratchet, who cares who builds it. The price is fair for a really great quality ratchet. The one I bought to test I have used extensively since I bought it. I've broke lug nuts loose with it 2 foot pipe, Beat on it with a dead blow, Tore a old 396 Chevy down with it and have abused it trying to get a years worth of wear on it in a month. It's holding up very well. I'll post up when it breaks and tell you about any hassle in the warranty. BTW Friend of mine who owns a really nice machine shop test the Rockwell hardness of a Snap-On and the Duralast ratchet and they came up near identical.

Out of curiosity which parts of the ratchets did he test?

What scale did he use, and what were numbers?

Thanks
Jeff
 

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Out of curiosity which parts of the ratchets did he test?

What scale did he use, and what were numbers?

Thanks
Jeff
He tested the gear, pawl and the body of each. I've got his business card with the numbers on it but I remember the body was like 56 the gear and pawl was like 59. I'm going to assume being it was tool steel it was on a C scale. My biggest thing was how they compared. Not my feild of expertise. He basicly told me it was very close. Close enough the hardness of each wouldn't determine which was better. He didn't get into the advantage or disadvantage of design.
 

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What part of "I've never seen the machine in operation" didn't you understand?? I sure wish you would take a reading comprehension course

LOL.. I was making reference to the Ratchet itself, Not Pics of the Testing. I Was curious to the Method used and the location he tested. Im no expert by all means on in Rockwell Charts and such but i would suspect "Tensile Strength" would be a much better indication of the Quality of a Tool. It must be a specialized machine if it can test the "Paw" of a ratchet. The one i seen would not test such a small part.
 
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IIRC, rockwell tests using a hardened steel ball, maybe a diamond? And recording how deep it impressed under a given pressure. The deeper, the softer. This is not an all-inclusive metallurgical test.

That should go deeper than the chrome plating (any sort of scratch test, however, would test just hte chrome alone).

However, tools that are case hardened, or even if they're tool steel through and through, they'll be softer in the middle where the quenching could not cool the steel as rapidly. An instron test, pulling or pushing or torquing the entire ratchet would be the best test. That would also reflect any structural defects that the rockwell test would not reveal: for example, pockets of impurities, or uneven alloying, or even perfect alloying but uneven hardening, won't necessarily reflect in a rockwell test that indents just a teensy bit of the surface, but such areas definitely DO act as stress concentrators that allow the ratchet to crack there under force. Rockwell hardness also does not address toughness, which a full tension, compression, and torque test of the entire piece would, to generate a stress:strain graph of the ratchet handle until the point that it broke.

X-ray diffraction, sonic tests, and probably some others can help to reveal internal defects as well.

A harder thing CAN be less tough, and more prone to fracture. You'd never want a tungsten carbide gear there, for example! Though it would be harder.
 

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I was curious about the hardness of the steel. Thats it. It was by no means a test on how durable the ratchet is. I was just curious as to how the steel comparded to the Snap-On in that respect. Nothing more, nothing less. I will say this and that is I have pure abused this ratchet since day one. Where I needed a 1/2 drive I adapted it up and where I need 1/4 drive I adapted it down. It hasn't broken yet. When (not if) it breaks I'll see how good the warranty is. The one thing I can say is that it's one tough ratchet.
 

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It's a great ratchet, who cares who builds it. The price is fair for a really great quality ratchet. The one I bought to test I have used extensively since I bought it. I've broke lug nuts loose with it 2 foot pipe, Beat on it with a dead blow, Tore a old 396 Chevy down with it and have abused it trying to get a years worth of wear on it in a month. It's holding up very well. I'll post up when it breaks and tell you about any hassle in the warranty. BTW Friend of mine who owns a really nice machine shop test the Rockwell hardness of a Snap-On and the Duralast ratchet and they came up near identical.


Bought a flex-head 3/8" drive Duralast ratchet. Not priced bad either. Seems much better made than the current raised panel Craftsman Ratchets or the Kobalt ratchets. In comparison to my Proto and MAC ratchets I say those seem a bit better compared to the Duralast as far as the ratcheting mechanism goes. Overall the Duralast seems to be a pretty close second. Seems pretty decent and handles nicely. I'll have to give it some good use before I can really be fair in comparison. I have to admit I never really took Duralast too seriously before, and now I wonder why. I always like to buy American made when I can, but there are more and more high quality Asian made tools showing up all the time. Luckily I have everything I'll ever need and the vast majority of my quality USA made tools were bought many years ago. You just can't find a lot of that good USA stuff anymore at a reasonable price.
 
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