BrandoJames
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Here’s AvE’s tool battery review. I’m a bit disappointed that he didn’t tear everything apart, which is usually his SOP.
AvE: Best Tool Battery
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bobcatdan
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He has pryed all those batteries apart in the past when doing a tear down on that brand of tool. This was more just a quick round up of his opinion from what he has seen.
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Project Farm did a recent comparo like this and seemed to come to the conclusion that OEM DeWalt batteries were the best (IIRC) by a little bit over other OEMs, and by a fair bit over third-party cheapies.
While I've not watched an AVE VJO in some years, I may have to give this one a whirl.
While I've not watched an AVE VJO in some years, I may have to give this one a whirl.
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BrandoJames
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Below is a glossary of AvE slang terms for the uninitiated:
DeWilt = DeWalt
Strap-on = Snap-on
**** Wagon = Snap-on truck
Milfuckee = Milwaukee
Borsch = Bosch
Cryobi = Ryobi
Hazard Frought = Harbor Freight
DeWilt = DeWalt
Strap-on = Snap-on
**** Wagon = Snap-on truck
Milfuckee = Milwaukee
Borsch = Bosch
Cryobi = Ryobi
Hazard Frought = Harbor Freight
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^ Also known as Hazard Fart. And don't forget Home Depot = Homeless Despot!
2ndGearRubber
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All of this eventually turned me off of the channel. I found the silliness and "shtick" to take up far too much time vs. the actual information produced. "Signal to Noise Ratio" comes to mind.
Perhaps the fault is mine, as I find being informed as being entertained. I don't need any add-ons.
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BrandoJames
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Yep...AvE does mention that, lol.
The problem with Project Farm is the focus on trivial differences, e.g. “Brand A lasted 30 seconds longer than Brand B !!!”.
The PF host reminds me of a 6th grader at the science fair.
bobcatdan
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I find pProject Farm good in small doses. A comparison I'm interested in is a good watch. Otherwise afterwhile he gets kind of dry. As for Ave, I do enjoy his ramblings and way of talking about stuff. If he had a podcast, I bet I would enjoy it. Yeah some of his teardown videos get kind of longwinded sometimes. I do enjoy his attempts at mechanic work like Forky McForkface.
BiggityBen
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yeah it got way over the top. dude can't string a sentence together anymore without purposefully mispronouncing 50% of the words, many of which are really reaching.
too much antics put into his videos for me
Not all trivial. He's bought the knock-off batteries that are all over Amazon and almost all of them have been 1/2 to 2/3 of their labeled capacity. Project farm is good for just being straight forward and relatable. AvE in the same test would have some stupid rube goldberg rig and a rigol scope involved.
AvE doesnt know what he's talking about most of the time and has always rambled about trivialities like the amount of glass fiber in a plastic housing where most consumers wont know or care. Anyone with google and enough time to waste could of started the same channel. He breaks most of the things he takes apart. People come back for the dialogue and laughs. I lost interest and stopped watching quite some time ago.
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I agree, he's become a caricature of himself. I take nothing from his intelligence or knowledge. I can rarely make it past the minute mark of his videos any more.
You forgot about the "good positive snap-action"
Downwindtracker 2
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I'm not offended but then again I was a construction worker. I don't have dainty sensibilities . I find them humourous if any thing.
He clearly explained the faults in the batteries systems.
He clearly explained the faults in the batteries systems.
techieman33
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I liked his videos years ago. I felt like I got some real knowledge mixed in with the occasional funny saying. But these days the videos seem more focused on AvE speak than actually doing anything worthwhile. But the guy is making tons of money on Patreon do I guess he’s doing something right.
CGarage
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100%.
People need to learn to act professionally.
Especially if they want to be taken seriously.
This is anti-social behavior and is pretty extreme.
Trivial? At least PF does unbiased straight up testing and gives quantitative evidence.
I honestly don't care what some schlep personally thinks about the brand that gave him product to review.
jonesg
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he's a guys guy, thats all.
anndel
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I stopped watching and unsubscribed from Ave a while ago. I was fun and funny for a while then it got boring with his SOS. Project Farm is ok and I skip through most of the videos right to the results and his synopsis. I hate it when he reads each label word for word.
Bannik254
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Love his videos.
Always gets some chuckles and laughs out of me, or at least a smile if I'm having a bad day. If you're watching AvE, being all super-serious, super-important, no non-sense, no time-to-waste attitude, you're watching the wrong youtube channel.
I like the fact he tears **** apart so I don't have to to see the guts/internals of consumer products. I don't care if he can repair them or not, its a TEARDOWN video, not a PUTBACKTOGETHER video.
I like watching him stumble and bumble his way into the machining world, makes me take pride in what I know and can do relative to newcomers.
I love hearing people decry content producers. Anyone can do what he's doing! I could do what he did in that video and do it a whole lot better! I can make better content! Then ******* do it then. Stop whining on the internet and being all-negative.
I'm not a super fan or anything like that but seeing all the negativity in this thread, I feel the need to stick up for the guy.
Always gets some chuckles and laughs out of me, or at least a smile if I'm having a bad day. If you're watching AvE, being all super-serious, super-important, no non-sense, no time-to-waste attitude, you're watching the wrong youtube channel.
I like the fact he tears **** apart so I don't have to to see the guts/internals of consumer products. I don't care if he can repair them or not, its a TEARDOWN video, not a PUTBACKTOGETHER video.
I like watching him stumble and bumble his way into the machining world, makes me take pride in what I know and can do relative to newcomers.
I love hearing people decry content producers. Anyone can do what he's doing! I could do what he did in that video and do it a whole lot better! I can make better content! Then ******* do it then. Stop whining on the internet and being all-negative.
I'm not a super fan or anything like that but seeing all the negativity in this thread, I feel the need to stick up for the guy.
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It's called "infotainment", similar to "edutainment".
The genre is half information, and half fun ways to convey it. This builds interest, which brings views, which brings ads, which brings money, which allows more frequent uploads and a greater variety of content.
That said... I've known people who spoke more unintelligibly in everyday conversation; sometimes myself.
You kind of pick the channel that has the balance and delivery you like the best and roll with it. It's like the sword community. Shad, Metatron, and Lindybeige expand to history, language, and even architecture, wheres Easton and Skallagrim and others stick more to the blades and uses themselves.
I like the tangents, personally; but they don't all cover everything, so it's bouncing around a bit.
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BrandoJames
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Exactly right. AvE's teardowns are way more informative than any other tool review channel. I like seeing what's inside the tools, as AvE points out the build quality (or lack thereof) of a tool.
We're not the only people who appreciate AvE's teardowns. Eric O of South Main Auto (a deity) sent AvE his Earthquake impact wrench that was failing. AvE did an episode on that teardown, link below.
American Locomotive
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Ah yes, ranking batteries based on very little actual use and only based on what he "sees" when taking them apart. Real scientific there.
I've seen enough failed Snap-On batteries to know they ain't very good. I also know enough people using the DeWalt 20v and 60v batteries in very harsh commercial construction environments to know that they hold up fine. I agree with the Makita's chip being a big load 'o BS, but the batteries hold up fine otherwise.
Things I care about in a tool: Ergonomics, power/performance, usability, durability, battery life/efficiency.
Things I don't really care about: Whether or not AvE "thinks" the gearbox is "skookum". Yeah, you can get some sense of the tool's "quality" through a visual teardown, but all of the major brands do serious engineering to make sure their tools will last.
I've seen enough failed Snap-On batteries to know they ain't very good. I also know enough people using the DeWalt 20v and 60v batteries in very harsh commercial construction environments to know that they hold up fine. I agree with the Makita's chip being a big load 'o BS, but the batteries hold up fine otherwise.
No one is saying they can do better. They're saying his childish "hur hur funny words" shtick got way over the top annoying. It got real old, real fast. AvE 3 years ago had a great mix of actual content sprinkled with humor and hubris. Now he's just cocky and babbles incoherently for 10 minutes in each video. When 3/4 of what should be his core audience on this forum says he ***** now - there's a problem with his content.
Not really. There's a lot of flash to his teardowns, but little substance. He makes a lot of confident-sounding assumptions about the build quality based on appearances, but never actually uses the tool in a way it's meant to be used.
Things I care about in a tool: Ergonomics, power/performance, usability, durability, battery life/efficiency.
Things I don't really care about: Whether or not AvE "thinks" the gearbox is "skookum". Yeah, you can get some sense of the tool's "quality" through a visual teardown, but all of the major brands do serious engineering to make sure their tools will last.
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BrandoJames
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Lol. You sound like the president of the local Chamber of Commerce. There are plenty of cheaply made tools by the major brands that break or fail after a few uses. You can read about them right here on Garage Journal. Some of those major brands like Craftsman USA once made quality tools and had loyal customers like me (and other guys on this board). Now Craftsman makes unreliable junk. And I don't mean to pick on Craftsman--they're not the only bargain basement junk tool vendor.
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What makes you think the members of Garage Journal "should" be his core audience?
American Locomotive
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Silly me thinking the people who participate in a forum that focuses on shop, tool, and manufacturing topics would be the target audience of a channel that started out being about shop, tool and manufacturing topicsWhat makes you think the members of Garage Journal "should" be his core audience?
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I wish project farm did more statistical analysis of his tests. Testing 1 drill bit once during a test is fairly meaningless when, say, the difference is 30 seconds from test X. You need at least 3 data points to make a confidence interval and then he can apply the Tukey HSD/connecting letters to see if there is a statistically significant difference between the things hes comparing.
Using drill bits as an example... yes I see X drill bit drilled 30 seconds longer than Y drill bit. However, how do we know that you got a really good X drill bit and a crappy Y drill bit from process variation.
Using drill bits as an example... yes I see X drill bit drilled 30 seconds longer than Y drill bit. However, how do we know that you got a really good X drill bit and a crappy Y drill bit from process variation.
Yes...lets make a painfully boring 15 minutes into a 90 minute snoozefest.
I tend to agree that the Milwaukee battery is among the best. I have had DeWalt and wore out the drill itself on more than one occasion. Work side by side with friends who use other brands and none have matched my Milwaukee Sawzall and drills.
I don’t mind the video funny BS. Just provides some input and pretty much tells me what I already know.
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I don’t mind the video funny BS. Just provides some input and pretty much tells me what I already know.
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American Locomotive
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Do all the ugly work behind the scenes. You don't need to record you toasting drill bits for hours. Just say I tested X-number of drill bits and here are the results averaged out.
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Do you think they guy who feels the need to read, out loud, the entire label of every stinking thing he tests is going to spare us the boring details?
That dude wears me out.
Downwindtracker 2
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You Tube content . I think most of us have a couple of interesting videos in us, but only a few.
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Silly me thinking the people who participate in a forum that focuses on shop, tool, and manufacturing topics would be the target audience of a channel that started out being about shop, tool and manufacturing topics
Indeed. It's not "This Old House".
It's whatever gets the most views with the least amount of hassle, bore, and effort. You've got to put up with the data pivoting on any channel. People quickly find that their demographic isn't nearly what they thought it might be.
He's not going to care who watches it, as now that he's established, he has little choice in the matter but to amp up what the majority of his viewers want.
Clearly, that isn't Garage Journal. The man's doing just fine without us. If I had to just throw out a guess, I'd say he's feeding more middle of the road "maker" generations, as well as teenagers who are interested in what's inside stuff.
His channel is comedic information delivery and seeing inside stuff you don't necessarily want to take apart, or can't take apart. A hell of a lot of hairdressers watched his Dyson disassembly; indeed, 2.4 million people did...
He doesn't have to care about us, and if he does, he's wasting his time.
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I ought to look at the data from my own channel one of these days and see just who is listening to those stupid sound effects and ambient tracks.
Started it, got too sick to do anything, uploaded that stuff... Honestly, that's what I like to do. If I wanted it to be a success, I'd actually pay attention.
Still... I do want to try. I was too sick to make it through scripts all the way for a while there. Might be time to give it a shot. My content was meant to be a little like his, but spanning various industries aimlessly.
Not worth watching at the moment, and probably never will be.
Started it, got too sick to do anything, uploaded that stuff... Honestly, that's what I like to do. If I wanted it to be a success, I'd actually pay attention.
Still... I do want to try. I was too sick to make it through scripts all the way for a while there. Might be time to give it a shot. My content was meant to be a little like his, but spanning various industries aimlessly.
Not worth watching at the moment, and probably never will be.
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AvE has been on my ignore list since I realized that he didn't actually know much about what he was talking about. Typical know-it-all, sounds like he is better than all the engineers in the world. The foul language, tone, rambling, and silliness is unbearable. Opening a tool case with a saw? That's really mature.
IndyGarage
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First off he says the Hilti batteries are the best - no wonder - Hilti is Panasonic, and they have made the best batteries and cordless tools for 3 decades, although hardly anybody knows it.
Secondly, AVE seems to have run out of content, and his inebriation state seems somewhat erratic but to say he doesn't know what he's talking about is a bit arrogant in my opinion.
I realized the guy was brilliant when he cobbled together a computer controlled machine a couple a years ago for a specific task - I can't even remember what it did, but his thought process was totally innovative.
Did you see him make his own ventilator machine when Covid started? Of course now we know that ventilators should be avoided if possible, but we did not know that then. He came up with the idea of building a ventilator that could treat hundreds of patients that was stunning.
Secondly, AVE seems to have run out of content, and his inebriation state seems somewhat erratic but to say he doesn't know what he's talking about is a bit arrogant in my opinion.
I realized the guy was brilliant when he cobbled together a computer controlled machine a couple a years ago for a specific task - I can't even remember what it did, but his thought process was totally innovative.
Did you see him make his own ventilator machine when Covid started? Of course now we know that ventilators should be avoided if possible, but we did not know that then. He came up with the idea of building a ventilator that could treat hundreds of patients that was stunning.
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This is bit off the topic of tools, but he is completely bilingual . Travelling through the western states, I'm struck by how much Spanish is used . We in western Canada almost never use or hear any French, and we are officially bilingual. This is light hearted question and please don't get your knickers in a knot, How's your Spanish? Right, just as I thought, as good as my French.