KnurledNut
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Serious fail when he tried to tap off that chuck instead of unthread it...
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AvE vs HF Hercules has arrived
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Loscaldazar
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I like this guy. He does a lot more showing with a little interpretation, but lets you get a great look inside the tools. He also tends to judge things between tools much more fairly and instead of looking for "perfection" in tools, he looks for what works, and what probably won't work.
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Serious fail when he tried to tap off that chuck instead of unthread it...
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Think if he worried about looking or being perfect.........he would have just edited the fopa out..........instead he chose to leave it in.
KnurledNut
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He did edit out part of it. He taps on the screw, and next thing ya know, the chuck is off and he doesnt say anything else about it.
Besides, my point was that he has torn down many drills. A threaded chuck is the industry standard, especially for someone experienced with advanced tool manufacturing and engineering.
Mikeske
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I am not into the guy yes he shows the potential fails but maybe it is his presentation that just turns me to ignore him.
Ha! I think that there are some common disasters in R&D that bite every one of us at some point or another.
kythri
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Way to take sarcasm literally.
Because they probably have a real job, instead of shilling on YouTube like AvE.
lbhsbz
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Just watched it...to be fair about the "no name battery cells"...unless that last cell is oriented such that you can see the 2 lines of text printed on it, it just looks green. I bought one to see if it would fit dewalt (actually works in the flashlights) and the Samsung is visible on mine.
kythri
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To be fair, he should have inspected the cells closer before making bogus claims.
jgromada
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I take AvE with a grain of salt. Above all he is amusing & opinionated & his colloquialisms are bizarre (keep your **** in the vise) . I have never seen fit to tear apart an Earthquake impact so I take note of what he has found and how it compares to other brands that he has as well. In addition to AvE I have seen a few other tear downs/reviews of the Hercules stuff. The impression I get is not that the stuff is up to snuff on design or build wise but they haven't gotten the value ration down versus the DeWalts & Milwaukees. Still too early to tell if it will hold up long term. They are still maybe 10 % off on that price point before this stuff becomes an automatic buy.
I ended up getting one of the new Bauer Portaband saws for $100 versus the $300 or $400 I would have paid for the DeWalts & Milwaukees. Paired with a new Lenox blade it has been fantastic for the galvanized steel & cast iron I have had to cut and then it will sit in its case for 6 months unused as I am not in the trades. Works for me.
I ended up getting one of the new Bauer Portaband saws for $100 versus the $300 or $400 I would have paid for the DeWalts & Milwaukees. Paired with a new Lenox blade it has been fantastic for the galvanized steel & cast iron I have had to cut and then it will sit in its case for 6 months unused as I am not in the trades. Works for me.
Sums up my observation of him well. Others make good points about him also.
Mikeske
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That may be the main reason I do not care for him. I just wonder what he be like if it was 35 years ago and he be on Craftsman tearing apart their stuff and calling it **** on a blanket. Just makes you wonder how he react back then to a Craftsman ratchet as even then they were rather rough and crude.
Way to take sarcasm literally.
Because they probably have a real job, instead of shilling on YouTube like AvE.
I wasn't taking his sarcasm literally. I was being sarcastic myself when I replied with the "so the Kardashians like to take tools apart on YouTube." I mainly said that as a counter to all the people bitching about AvE. I mean I don't see very many other people tearing down tools like he does. Thus I made the statement about "what so the Kardashians do something useful like tearing down tools on YouTube?"
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That may be the main reason I do not care for him. I just wonder what he be like if it was 35 years ago and he be on Craftsman tearing apart their stuff and calling it **** on a blanket. Just makes you wonder how he react back then to a Craftsman ratchet as even then they were rather rough and crude.
I think AvE's biggest contribution is that he pounds through the BS marketing feces that HF put out trying to say the Hercules is as good or better than a DeWalt when it's clearly not. Just a quick observation of the materials under the case shows that.
I'm no AvE nuthugger. I've only seen a few of his vids. I'm just sticking up for the logic/rationale of what he does.
I see on the new HF catalog that just arrived today, there's a Bauer drill on the cover. I wonder how that stacks up to the Hercules?
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smittyjones
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Wait. Do you mean Real Tool Reviews? Because if so... It's on. I'm unsubbing from AvE right now!
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Yes, he didn't call Real Tool Reviews out by name, but for anyone who watches RTR, it is obvious AvE was calling out him. Many of his viewers also picked up on that and flooded RTR's channel with rude comments.
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His shtick was mildly entertaining at first, but now it's worn awfully thin.
And the more attention I've paid to the details of what he's saying, the more I find that I know to be wrong.
He's been poking at RTR for a while. Any time he mentions "Some guy with a clipboard" he's talking about RTR. At least I think.
If he were to call anyone out though, why not Tools Inaction?
He's been poking at RTR for a while. Any time he mentions "Some guy with a clipboard" he's talking about RTR. At least I think.
If he were to call anyone out though, why not Tools Inaction?
I always thought the "some guy with a clipboard" was referring to a low or mid level manager who knows little to nothing about the work actually getting done, but always has something to say about it. Doesn't RTR usually use a whiteboard in his comparisons?
I'd have to go back and find the references but I think I remember a few times him saying something like "Watching some video with a guy with a clipboard and a skidhelm wilborg (intentionally mangled Skidmore Wilhelm) quoting some numbers at you" or something that was clearly RTR. You could be right though and I misinterpreted him.
jeeper46
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I just picked up a 1/2" Dewalt 20v drill driver with two batteries for $99 at Lowes.
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I'd agree that RTR has his own flaws (one of which is that he doesn't like being challenged). I also know RTR receives plenty of free products for testing, which again comes with its own concerns, but making an accusation that he is faking tests to make HF air tools look just as good as Snap on is a pretty serious accusation. I strongly doubt he is fabricating and manipulating entire tests to give certain manufacturers an edge.
Is he maybe downplaying or glossing over the smaller flaws of a product he is given for testing? That wouldn't be surprising, and almost every reviewer that gets stuff for free does this to some extent. Faking entire tests? Highly doubt it, and if someone is going to accuse another person of that, they should have compelling evidence to prove it.
visionguru
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IMHO,
Ave is pretending to be an expert. Know-it-all.
RTR is pretending to be an idiot. Omission of key facts is his habit.
That being said, their videos can still be somehow useful if you want to see certain tools or the inside of a tool, just ignore their comments.
I don't really get all the AVE hate. I mean no one has to like him.. but show me another engineering/tools/fabrication channel where the guy does all of the following on the regular:
-takes apart tools and shows you how they work
-leaves mistakes in his videos, so you can correct yourself if you try to build the same ****
-makes videos with clarifications, or updates his own information when a comment or email tells him something new
-very frequently says things like 'I don't know', 'I'm not sure', 'I fucked up' etc.
You don't have to like his delivery or his videos.. but he comes across as pretty damn honest to me.
RTR on the other hand.. when he first started, I watched his reviews; ultimately I quit because I got tired of them. Every review is the same, every tool is great. There are no ****** tools in RTR's world. Watching his reviews is a waste of time.
-takes apart tools and shows you how they work
-leaves mistakes in his videos, so you can correct yourself if you try to build the same ****
-makes videos with clarifications, or updates his own information when a comment or email tells him something new
-very frequently says things like 'I don't know', 'I'm not sure', 'I fucked up' etc.
You don't have to like his delivery or his videos.. but he comes across as pretty damn honest to me.
RTR on the other hand.. when he first started, I watched his reviews; ultimately I quit because I got tired of them. Every review is the same, every tool is great. There are no ****** tools in RTR's world. Watching his reviews is a waste of time.
dnschmidt
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As I've stated previously about RTR. The sins he commits are not sins of commission they are sins of omission. I have no doubt he tells the truth about the tools that make it into his videos. I don't believe he ever fudges the data - I do believe he reports his results honestly. The tools of more interest to me are the ones that don't make it into his videos because they ****. I'm absolutely sure the Milwaukee 3/8" drive M18 right angle impact, which I know he received from Milwaukee, because he came on here and said he did, falls into this category as it's claimed to have 60 ft-lb of torque and doesn't even deliver 30. Where was that on the Skidmore-Wilhelm?
It's because people on the internet like to moan and groan.
Sure he doesn't do an exhaustive materials science level breakdown on every component in every tool, but what he does -- sort of a brief comparative functional analysis of materials of each tool is useful. Beats the type of reviews where they use the tool a few minutes and then review it without even opening it up.As a consumer deciding on where to spend your hard earned dollars, it's smart to dig a little more when researching potential tools to buy. Sure watch AvE if you like, but also check Amazon reviews, word of mouth of your friends in the trades, etc.. I don't work in the trades, but I helped my pro carpenter cousin do some work at my mom's house. I noticed he has all DeWalt tools, and he dropped his impact driver a couple of times off the ladder and it didn't break. And using his tools, I felt how well made they seemed, so I then bought DeWalt tools.
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In regards to AVE, he does make mistakes and the biggest one that bothered me is the CE fiasco. I saw that and said wtf.
However, I do enjoy his videos and I think he is not biased. A good example is when he took apart a kitchen aid stand mixer. He bashed the device at first and then complimented it on its build quality. Essentially correcting himself in his own video.
I find his methods are very much in tune with a experienced machinist and probably prior industrial maintenance.
He does make mistakes, but his videos do offer some good info. Like showing the new HF drills are as crappy as I expected.
However, I do enjoy his videos and I think he is not biased. A good example is when he took apart a kitchen aid stand mixer. He bashed the device at first and then complimented it on its build quality. Essentially correcting himself in his own video.
I find his methods are very much in tune with a experienced machinist and probably prior industrial maintenance.
He does make mistakes, but his videos do offer some good info. Like showing the new HF drills are as crappy as I expected.
I do not think RTR is pretending to be an idiot. I think he reads about something here at GJ, goes to read more about it, then makes a video. Or he gets a product, reads the ad copy they give him, maybe checks the top google result, and makes a video. I don't think he's pretending to be an idiot I just think the knows just about as much as he says and not any more.
Speaking as a knowitall ******* who often has to pretend to be an idiot, the above isn't meant as a compliment.