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Friend of mine was an F105 pilot in Vietnam based out of Thailand. One day he is being flown some place on a DC3. Pilot is some old Thai guy. One of the other pilots was talking to him in Thai & my friend said "So how many hours has he got?"
....Quick exchange in Thai & the other pilot tells my friend "23,000 hours"
My friend says "He has 23,000 hours on DC3's???"
Other pilot replies "No, he has 23,000 hours in THIS DC3"

:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti
 
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Friend of mine was an F105 pilot in Vietnam based out of Thailand. One day he is being flown some place on a DC3. Pilot is some old Thai guy. One of the other pilots was talking to him in Thai & my friend said "So how many hours has he got?"
....Quick exchange in Thai & the other pilot tells my friend "23,000 hours"
My friend says "He has 23,000 hours on DC3's???"
Other pilot replies "No, he has 23,000 hours in THIS DC3"

:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti:lol_hitti
I've heard that one before. Can't remember if I read it in Christopher Robbins' book "The Invisible Air Force" or saw it in the movie "Air America".
 

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wow ....so the ratchets have metric 1/4, 3/8 ish ends?

+ how do they get maintenance done in the US of A?

They take it to an operator that is set up for metric, and more likely, one that is set up for that particular airframe/powerplant.

There is often someone with the skills and tools to work on something unusual, as long as it doesn't require exotic or expensive special tools. Many times there are ways to accomplish a task in a different way, using what is available at the time. Sometimes there isn't another viable way other than the official one.
 

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wow ....so the ratchets have metric 1/4, 3/8 ish ends?

+ how do they get maintenance done in the US of A?

I've never actually seen a Russian manufactured ratchet, at least not that I can recall. They have a weird selection of wrenches though, which were pretty much necessary for the Kamov helicopters that my employer had. However, there wasn't many special tools for that machine, most things could be accomplished with little more than large wrenches, a sledgehammer, and a grease gun.

I don't think many Enbloc aircraft make their way into the US. :dunno: There's only a few of them that are permanently in Canada, and TC was very reluctant to let that happen. As near as I can tell, the FAA won't accept a Russian type certificate of any sort, period. Normally the only aircraft that visit are large cargo planes (Antonov and Ilyushin manufacture), and they carry a small crew and a few parts to look after things. Beyond that, they put the plugs in it and wait for their help to arrive. Not that it ever comes to that, since they're pretty much willing to fly anything regardless of what is wrong with it or how badly overweight they are. Helicopters generally travel with crew and spares. Generally you don't want to have to rely on anyone else to provide you with service, as it's not a model that works well in most parts of the world.

My experience with the Enbloc aircraft is that they're insanely tough. The Kamovs that my (ex)employer had were in a class of their own. No torque gauge, as it was NOT torque limited unlike every helicopter built in America. In some 38000hrs of air time they had only two hydraulic leaks... A fawking Bell will start to piddle on the ground before you even get the reservoirs filled.


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Also, from a legal perspective, it's hard to allow anyone else to do your maintenance. IE, I have a Canadian license that has limitations on it, and through an AMO (business licensed to perform maintenance) that I am employed by or have an agreement with I can certify work within the limitations of my license and the AMO's license. As an example, I have a course to perform ultrasonic inspections on certain parts, however I no longer work for an AMO that has that licensed, so I can't actually do that work anymore. Likewise, I can certify work on Canadian registered aircraft, or aircraft that are under the umbrella of the AMO (I've certified work on N-registered (US) aircraft that way without a A&P, but it gets a little complicated); however if somebody with a foreign registered whatever shows up out of the blue, I probably can't do anything for him.
 
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I once pitched PLM (Product Lifecycle Management) work to Antonov engineers. Unique experience. It was very important to them to provide a gift and I received a specially minted commemorative coin that sits in my office.
 

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Most metric socket set ratchets still have the original inch size ends.

Well this is what I'm curious about...at some point they had to bow to the SAE standard... you can put a metric end on a socket but it sounds like the ratchet is still a USA standard. Seems like the French would really not like this.

Who and where did they get "the first ratchet" to build the pro-to Airbus???

What specs were used to fabricate the USA / Russian joint space ventures when they actual docked up with each other?

I've just always thought the SAE vs Metric would be a royal problem in aviation. Is it not true that most A&P only need SAE wrenches?

What about something basic like the Airbus 319/320/340..these are all over the US. Do they really have metric nuts and bolts?
 
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Not a mechanic, but 4 generations of my family have worked for or supported the King Air 200's engine manufacturer, Pratt & Whitney Canada. I started there in '81, moved over to the IT outsourcer in 2000 and am still there. Here is a picture you might enjoy of the PT6 in the main lobby, just outside Montreal, Quebec (I cut my ugly mug out to increase your enjoyment of the photo).

I suspect that there are PT6's flying that are older than you :D

Awesome! You guys wouldn't have any P&W stickers laying around that I could pujt on my box, would ye'? I'll pay for them!
 

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I once pitched PLM (Product Lifecycle Management) work to Antonov engineers. Unique experience. It was very important to them to provide a gift and I received a specially minted commemorative coin that sits in my office.

Have you had a chance to look around inside one of their planes?

I've been in a couple different AN-124.

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The S61 just barely rolls in and out, tire pressure and oleo pressure had to be adjusted as they went, along with the transmission and half the T/R blades being off IIRC :lol:

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There's two 10T overhead hoists on tracks in the plane... The ladder leads to the cockpit/crew area that's up top.
 

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I've just always thought the SAE vs Metric would be a royal problem in aviation. Is it not true that most A&P only need SAE wrenches?

What about something basic like the Airbus 319/320/340..these are all over the US. Do they really have metric nuts and bolts?

I have a full metric set and anyone that works on Airbus helicopters does too. There's probably as many of their helicopters in the US as any one of the domestic manufacturers.

I'm sure the Airbus planes are also totally metric, but I'm not much for turning wrenches on a plane so I'll admit I don't actually know.
 

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A bit of clarification for you guys, albeit from a pilot not an engineer!

Airbus are not French made, but rather "European", although I'm sure the French would be happy to pretend otherwise!

The major components are actually made all over Europe, and the standards used are an amalgam of the practices favoured by the various original constituent companies!

I have no doubt that there was once serious discussion about what sizes of fasteners should be used, and it would seem that the British contingent won that one and Unified (not SAE) sizes were used. (Standard in the British aviation industry). Sensible decision as maintenance needs to be carried out anywhere! This was how Concorde was built!

Next came the argument about how these fasteners should be designated, and the French won that one, consequently you will find what is actually a 1/4 inch fastener designated 6.35mm by Airbus!

Ignore that, use normal tools, and you will be fine!
 

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A bit of clarification for you guys, albeit from a pilot not an engineer!

Airbus are not French made, but rather "European", although I'm sure the French would be happy to pretend otherwise!

The major components are actually made all over Europe, and the standards used are an amalgam of the practices favoured by the various original constituent companies!

I have no doubt that there was once serious discussion about what sizes of fasteners should be used, and it would seem that the British contingent won that one and Unified (not SAE) sizes were used. (Standard in the British aviation industry). Sensible decision as maintenance needs to be carried out anywhere! This was how Concorde was built!

Next came the argument about how these fasteners should be designated, and the French won that one, consequently you will find what is actually a 1/4 inch fastener designated 6.35mm by Airbus!

Ignore that, use normal tools, and you will be fine!

FINALLY ...:rocker:
This is what I always suspected + I like your reference to "use normal tools".
 

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Have you had a chance to look around inside one of their planes?

I've been in a couple different AN-124.

No -they have a no drooling and giggling clause :lol_hitti I spent some time on the internet doing research and was amazed. An engineering marvel how huge planes like this get airborne!
 

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The ratcheting socket wrench was invented by an American, J.J. Richardson, of Woodstock, Vermont, USA. The tool was patented through the Scientific American Patent Agency on June 18, 1863.
 

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I started working in aviation my senior year of high school at a small GA place at my local airport. Went to school and earned a bachelors degree and A&P. Had a few internships working on GA aircraft, King Airs. After college worked for Piedmont airlines on their Dash 8's but I hated working nights and weekends. Went onto corporate and now working on Falcons. Anyone else here working corporate?
 
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A bit of clarification for you guys, albeit from a pilot not an engineer!

Airbus are not French made, but rather "European", although I'm sure the French would be happy to pretend otherwise!

The major components are actually made all over Europe, and the standards used are an amalgam of the practices favoured by the various original constituent companies!

I have no doubt that there was once serious discussion about what sizes of fasteners should be used, and it would seem that the British contingent won that one and Unified (not SAE) sizes were used. (Standard in the British aviation industry). Sensible decision as maintenance needs to be carried out anywhere! This was how Concorde was built!

Next came the argument about how these fasteners should be designated, and the French won that one, consequently you will find what is actually a 1/4 inch fastener designated 6.35mm by Airbus!

Ignore that, use normal tools, and you will be fine!

Weird. Like I said, the helicopters they sell are metric... Well, at least all the ones I've dealt with.
 

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I started working in aviation my senior year of high school at a small GA place at my local airport. Went to school and earned a bachelors degree and A&P. Had a few internships working on GA aircraft, King Airs. After college worked for Piedmont airlines on their Dash 8's but I hated working nights and weekends. Went onto corporate and now working on Falcons. Anyone else here working corporate?

Yep, mainly TFE731 engine work these days.
 

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The AN124 is huge! We had one stop by Moffett Field in the early '90s. They needed nitrogen for the tires. We obliged and they gave us a tour of the plane.
 

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I started working in aviation my senior year of high school at a small GA place at my local airport. Went to school and earned a bachelors degree and A&P. Had a few internships working on GA aircraft, King Airs. After college worked for Piedmont airlines on their Dash 8's but I hated working nights and weekends. Went onto corporate and now working on Falcons. Anyone else here working corporate?

Indirectly via my work for Pratt & Whitney Canada (think Falcon 7x and now 8x).
https://www.dassaultfalcon.com/en/MediaCenter/Newsd/Pages/PR%202014/Dassault-Announces-Falcon-8X.aspx
 

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Weird. Like I said, the helicopters they sell are metric... Well, at least all the ones I've dealt with.

Well helicopters are not really my thing, but as I understand it the 'Airbus' helicopters are basically 'Eurocopter' which in turn were basically Aerospatiale / Dasa and as such their ancestry is purely Metric!
 
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I have worked on CH-46E helicopters since 97. I'm planning on getting my A&P and pursue this career when I retire in a few years.

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A&P/IA here. My last gig for the past 4 years was working for some special operations guys. Worked on PT6's mainly.

Getting tired of chasing jobs though and going back to school for an engineering degree.
 

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Former line mech for regional airliner, mostly CRJ-200's but added the 900's at the end. Now working in R&D for an engine manufacturer. Got tired of nights and weekends, and not seeing my family much.
 

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Former line mech for regional airliner, mostly CRJ-200's but added the 900's at the end. Now working in R&D for an engine manufacturer. Got tired of nights and weekends, and not seeing my family much.

Hopefully, you are working for the "right" engine manufacturer :evil:
 

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KAMS1973, they still pop into Moffett Field every so often carrying cargo for NASA. From what the full time guys tell me they have a full machine shop on board to fix/make the parts they can no longer get.

Mike

p.s. that is my base.
 

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KAMS1973, they still pop into Moffett Field every so often carrying cargo for NASA. From what the full time guys tell me they have a full machine shop on board to fix/make the parts they can no longer get.

Mike

p.s. that is my base.

It broke my heart when they decommed my squadron. I swear the U2 NASA flew out of Moffett Field was absolutely the loudest aircraft I'd ever heard. Especially when working on the line near Hangar 1.
 

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I'm doing corporate jets. Worked for a charter in the Middle East on Bombardier business jets - then packed my bags and move here to Montreal to continue on with them. I spend my days working on the Global Express series and sometimes a Challenger or two.

For the metric vs. SAE questions - I'm working on Canadian designed / made aircraft and it is all SAE. Weird, huh?
 

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It broke my heart when they decommed my squadron. I swear the U2 NASA flew out of Moffett Field was absolutely the loudest aircraft I'd ever heard. Especially when working on the line near Hangar 1.

Was it louder than a B52 on takeoff roll? :lol_hitti
 
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