blsnelling
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Did anyone else notice the huge crack in this "New" Baby Wilton?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122325357784
http://www.ebay.com/itm/122325357784
Baby Wilton
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blsnelling
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It's huge of it's not disclosed, advertised as new, and you miss it in the picture.
I didn't miss anything. And I would consider it new but damaged. Does that damage mean jackshit as far as the functionality of that vise, no.
But what do I know, I'll still use brand new wrenches even if they came with some minor scratches straight from the factory.
Maybe you might want to really search baby bullets and see what these darn things can go for at times. I'd pay that 3 bills and never look back even with that HUGE crack.
OP
blsnelling
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I suspect that most people that would buy this vise would be buying it as a collector, not a user. So, yes, a crack of any kind is a big deal. There is no mention of damage in the description.
However, this is about principle, not just dollars. When I asked the seller if it was cracked, "he couldn't tell". Imagine that. He then told me not to bid. I've done a lot of business on eBay, and full disclosure is ALWAYS the best policy.
Obviously not someone I would want to do business with.
However, this is about principle, not just dollars. When I asked the seller if it was cracked, "he couldn't tell". Imagine that. He then told me not to bid. I've done a lot of business on eBay, and full disclosure is ALWAYS the best policy.
Obviously not someone I would want to do business with.
cajunfirehawk
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I saw that, Cant imagine they have that many used babys around for loose parts to swap out?
OP
blsnelling
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Wow. I guess you don't appreciate honesty and full disclosure. If you don't mind buying a collector's item, advertised as new, with a significant defect the seller won't admit to, then bid away.
OP
blsnelling
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I thought so too. Then the seller "couldn't tell". You really want to do business with someone like that? I'll pass. I just thought I might save someone some headache, but obviously you're ok with it.
Guess it hasn't occurred to you that the OP intentionally took a picture of the crack. Also you obviously have no idea how these are constructed because if you did you'd know that small portion of the case has no bearing on the functionality of the vise. But if you feel so hell bent to tell the world the OP is a thief and a liar well then I suppose that's exactly how you should spend your day, frustrated, pissed and reaching out for approval.
If I were going to buy it, I'd simply inject that area with epoxy, repaint and use the damn thing and never think twice about it again.
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blsnelling
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Are you the seller? You're avoiding my entire point, just like the seller.
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bczygan
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A lie by omission is still a lie.
I expect full disclosure. Photos and words.
Bill
I expect full disclosure. Photos and words.
Bill
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blsnelling
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And then it's no longer "New" and worth less money. You seem to be avoiding the fact that seller would not confirm the defect, just like he avoided it in the description.
OP
blsnelling
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Thank you. Someone that sees it for what it is.
Oh you're a sleuthy one ain't ya. You found me out, I'm actually the seller. There's just no getting one by you now is there. So now that I've been exposed I'll just go to my corner and hang my head in shame.
For online selling so much of what makes a transaction go well is meeting expectations, which is a fuzzy area for sure. But being forthright about what a buyer may perceive as a problem goes a long way toward that. I for one would not want to have a conversation that includes, "sorry you didn't notice that issue in the pictures."
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blsnelling
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It wasn't hard, between the location and the attitude.
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blsnelling
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Instead of "I can't tell". That's a lie and someone I would not do business with.
Think a few of us should calm down a little here. Let me remind anyone,i was just banned for an argument such as this and getting my id back wasnt easy and if you think youll just make another one ,well i tried that too and got it banned as well. Guys is just a vise. A cool one but still just a vise.
PugetDude
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Is not mentioning a crack in a vise considered a vice?
Or just inadvisable?
I'm just looking for advice.
Or just inadvisable?
I'm just looking for advice.
"See sellers listing for full details and description of ANY imperfections."
The seller only discloses that there are initials engraved, not that there is a crack. The photo that the crack is visible is far from a clear disclosure of a crack.
This is a shady ad in my book, and probably against Ebays rules, based on their definitions.
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3baygarage
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Agreed. Acting shady because they probably know it's broken but want to cash in.
It's either a crack or large paint chip and they ought to ask someone nearby for a second opinion.
Don't worry though, someone will buy it and then they both have to deal with it.
Lets see you put your money where your mouth is.
I always wanted to say that
It's either a crack or large paint chip and they ought to ask someone nearby for a second opinion.
Don't worry though, someone will buy it and then they both have to deal with it.
Lets see you put your money where your mouth is.
I always wanted to say that
Agreed. Acting shady because they probably know it's broken but want to cash in.
It's either a crack or large paint chip and they ought to ask someone nearby for a second opinion.
Don't worry though, someone will buy it and then they both have to deal with it.
Lets see you put your money where your mouth is.
I always wanted to say that
I got no problem buying that, maybe I will just to upset the peanut gallery.
Something to consider guys you do realize that crack is about 5/8" long and maybe a 1/32nd wide. There's a real good chance the guy honestly didn't see it. **** I can tell you that there's been times I didn't see damage on something in person that in picture stuck out like a sore thumb.
Also if you're going to dissect someone's posting how bout you also post that there HAS BEEN NO QUESTIONS ASKED OR POSTED. Truth in advertising right?.
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BobsurUncle
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Cracked and missing it's base. Looks new to me.
Stuart in MN
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I suppose another option would have been to simply send the seller a message asking about the crack.
crguy
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I definitely wouldn't pay the $300. + it's bid at now. Dishonest seller, no getting around it.
Maybe the buyer will leave a well deserved neg. after they discover the damage.
It'd be different if you were buying it to use and at a cheap price.
Maybe the buyer will leave a well deserved neg. after they discover the damage.
It'd be different if you were buying it to use and at a cheap price.
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blsnelling
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I did. That's what started this. He replied, "I can't tell", then told me not to bid!, including the exclamation point.
Definitely should not have been listed as "new other". Looks like it was dropped or damaged in transit
It's not an OG sticker. It's simply a model number sticker.
A E Numan
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It went from 305 to 330 in the last min.
tombell572
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I began reading this thread and then went back to look at the Ebay listng. At first it looked as if the vise had been brush painted over the original finish (certainly not uncommon and seller says "like new") and the paint had flaked off in that spot--I did not see it as a crack at first and now after going back again, I don't know and can't tell from the photo. It does seem implausible that the seller himself can't tell if it's a crack. I sell on Ebay occasionally and I would have noted it in the text in addition to the photo.
Tom, B.
Tom, B.
454ragtop
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Well, I'll add 2 things. While it's hard to tell for sure by the pics if it is a crack, or painted over chipped paint, I'm pretty sure if I had it in my hand I could tell. Also sounds like some of you guys seem to think any questions asked will then show up in the listing. That's not the case, it's only if the seller wants it too. I think the seller is less than honest.
Roberts210
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Ditto. Big problem. But at least the buyer has 14 days to notice it and send it back.
Roberts210
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Then the seller is either blind, a fool or a cheat.
Roberts210
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I think it's a crack. There is crumbling consistent with damage on the far right side of the crack.
dngrmse
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I would send that back in a heartbeat, that's not a chip in the paint. That seller is wasting his time if he thinks the buyer isn't going to notice that and send it back or demand some kind of credit.
Exactly. There's a Tradesman 1760 on eBay advertised as a "600" so I sent them a note explaining they were being misleading, and that a 600 retails for twice as much. They replied "thanks for the information" but never changed the listing. In fact, they renewed it with the incorrect listing. They know exactly what they're doing, and don't care.