Neverfly
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Holy ****. That's several years old at this point and I still want to kick his ***... USED gears... What a mind blow.
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Holy ****. That's several years old at this point and I still want to kick his ***... USED gears... What a mind blow.
nicksnothereman
Well-known member
Hahahaha...no he won't. People on here are neurotic and will stalk him across the internet (if not real life).
NHBandit
Well-known member
I see there are a couple mods posting on this thread. Have any of you guys tried contacting this member about this issue ? You carry alot more weight than any of us armchair quarterbacks do.
HOTFR8
Banned
I have not. I believe Bull is the more active Mod with this issue. Best left for one to deal with and not to many Mods.
Firestarter Fred
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This is a terrible way to conduct business on the buyers part. Karma has a way of working it's self out in the end. May not be today, may not be tomorrow, and may not even be right away, but I can tell you all, what you put out in this world will come back to you both the good and the bad.
Tool Junkie,
I am sorry that this has taken so long, so publicly, and way too long. I can only fault you for being Mr. Nice Guy, and shipping out tools to another member, on his/her word. I hope this is an invaluable lesson for you for future business. Personally I would not let tools go until monies are in hand, but then again, I do not sell much so who am I other than a air chair quarterback referee calling flags on a play that is yesterdays news.
I would like to apologize to you for member dirty birdy dirtmister's actions. I do not know him, never heard of him before today, and while he seemed to say sorry several times for not paying you on time, let alone at all, I feel that you need a sincere apology!
And since he did not man up yet, I will offer you that apology. Tool Junkie, I am sorry you got burned. There now that that is out of the way,
Mr. Dirtmister,
Now as aforementioned up above, I do not know you personally, have never met you on the streets, and never read any of your postings whether it be here or anywhere else on the intra webs.
However, I have to agree with most on here, you are looking like a con man or con artist or whatever with every passing moment you do not take care of this.
Lets not bull **** a bull ******* okay!
1) If you want anybody to believe that you actually purchased a postal money order in the original deal you made with Mr. Tool Junkie, then you have what is called a proof of money order. You see, it comes with any money order purchased any where in the ENTIRE WORLD> it is the little stub in which you break away before sending the actual money order.
2) Now I am not going to go out and say you are like most people in this world or most people on this forum. However I will point out, that probably, (and I'm gonna take a stab at it), over 85% of the people would let the Seller know TRUTHFULLY when they send the money, and out of that 85% at least 85% of those folks are gonna and go ahead and send what is called a receipt transaction #.
3) Let's just give Mr. Dirty Birdy Dirtmister the benefit of the doubt and say just maybe he has less than a diploma from highschool. (BTW there is nothing wrong with that, just means you might be bad at, I'm guessing MATH) Let us believe he mailed a payment. Let us further believe said payment never made it to destination of Mr. Tool Junkie.
4) Okay then, 9 weeks sir! Really? Are you that stupid to believe that we on this forum believe that it would take 9 WEEKS TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER! REALLY again I ask????
Okay, so you were a bit short on funds you sent email. That was what almost 4 weeks ago? Then you mention it as paid as in your words, " I sent it out yesterday, lemme know when you receive the payment".
5) You are hurting yourself more than anyone else sir. You are showing true colors, making first and lasting impressions upon not only the good members here, but also to the tons of visitors who choose not to register for one reason or another.
Sure, Mr. Tool Junkie is out tools and monies. But sir, you are out a reputation.
I implore you to make it right. I beg of you to make it right. You need to make it right. NO threats, no you gonna get banned, you gonna get this get that, Just act like the MAN you pretended or intended to be when you entered the transaction here with Mr. Tool Junkie.
TO all other members.
Thank you for letting this old man reply. I thank you all for this site. It is a learning experience, and a great forum. For those that buy or sell, please don't do business just on this transaction alone, or not do business. It says a lot about a man who would send you a packet of tools on your word. From what I can see it says a lot about the men/women on the forum here that they would trust someone they do not know. Thank you all for that trust. When it gets violated it hurts like a *****. Don't let one dirty birdy ruin it for all.
TO MR. Bull. Seems you mentioned a ban. While that may be the thing that eventually happens, you are right that it does not do much for MR. Tool Junkie. It is sad that you would have to do that, but be that as it may, I wish that you have no remorse for MR. Dirtmister if it has to end that way. There were 2 things my grandfather said a man always has. That was your set of balls, and your word. If either were to go south at any time, my grandfather said you were no longer a man.
Thank you again for this great forum, Fred.
Tool Junkie,
I am sorry that this has taken so long, so publicly, and way too long. I can only fault you for being Mr. Nice Guy, and shipping out tools to another member, on his/her word. I hope this is an invaluable lesson for you for future business. Personally I would not let tools go until monies are in hand, but then again, I do not sell much so who am I other than a air chair quarterback referee calling flags on a play that is yesterdays news.
I would like to apologize to you for member dirty birdy dirtmister's actions. I do not know him, never heard of him before today, and while he seemed to say sorry several times for not paying you on time, let alone at all, I feel that you need a sincere apology!
And since he did not man up yet, I will offer you that apology. Tool Junkie, I am sorry you got burned. There now that that is out of the way,
Mr. Dirtmister,
Now as aforementioned up above, I do not know you personally, have never met you on the streets, and never read any of your postings whether it be here or anywhere else on the intra webs.
However, I have to agree with most on here, you are looking like a con man or con artist or whatever with every passing moment you do not take care of this.
Lets not bull **** a bull ******* okay!
1) If you want anybody to believe that you actually purchased a postal money order in the original deal you made with Mr. Tool Junkie, then you have what is called a proof of money order. You see, it comes with any money order purchased any where in the ENTIRE WORLD> it is the little stub in which you break away before sending the actual money order.
2) Now I am not going to go out and say you are like most people in this world or most people on this forum. However I will point out, that probably, (and I'm gonna take a stab at it), over 85% of the people would let the Seller know TRUTHFULLY when they send the money, and out of that 85% at least 85% of those folks are gonna and go ahead and send what is called a receipt transaction #.
3) Let's just give Mr. Dirty Birdy Dirtmister the benefit of the doubt and say just maybe he has less than a diploma from highschool. (BTW there is nothing wrong with that, just means you might be bad at, I'm guessing MATH) Let us believe he mailed a payment. Let us further believe said payment never made it to destination of Mr. Tool Junkie.
4) Okay then, 9 weeks sir! Really? Are you that stupid to believe that we on this forum believe that it would take 9 WEEKS TO RESOLVE THIS MATTER! REALLY again I ask????
Okay, so you were a bit short on funds you sent email. That was what almost 4 weeks ago? Then you mention it as paid as in your words, " I sent it out yesterday, lemme know when you receive the payment".
5) You are hurting yourself more than anyone else sir. You are showing true colors, making first and lasting impressions upon not only the good members here, but also to the tons of visitors who choose not to register for one reason or another.
Sure, Mr. Tool Junkie is out tools and monies. But sir, you are out a reputation.
I implore you to make it right. I beg of you to make it right. You need to make it right. NO threats, no you gonna get banned, you gonna get this get that, Just act like the MAN you pretended or intended to be when you entered the transaction here with Mr. Tool Junkie.
TO all other members.
Thank you for letting this old man reply. I thank you all for this site. It is a learning experience, and a great forum. For those that buy or sell, please don't do business just on this transaction alone, or not do business. It says a lot about a man who would send you a packet of tools on your word. From what I can see it says a lot about the men/women on the forum here that they would trust someone they do not know. Thank you all for that trust. When it gets violated it hurts like a *****. Don't let one dirty birdy ruin it for all.
TO MR. Bull. Seems you mentioned a ban. While that may be the thing that eventually happens, you are right that it does not do much for MR. Tool Junkie. It is sad that you would have to do that, but be that as it may, I wish that you have no remorse for MR. Dirtmister if it has to end that way. There were 2 things my grandfather said a man always has. That was your set of balls, and your word. If either were to go south at any time, my grandfather said you were no longer a man.
Thank you again for this great forum, Fred.
Looks like some things never change. Let's hope it gets resolved in the near future.
dirtmister16
Banned
well, i wasn't going to say anymore in this thread but it seems i need to set a few things straight here.
1. the orginal money order was sent, i can't say what happened with it as i did not track it. that is in the past. move on
2. im not always on the computer that much and not always on here when i am. i assumed the first money order just was going to take some more time and after that forgot about it with life being busy.
3. money has been sent as of last tuesday. money was sent cash as ive read some info as of late that i don't trust money orders after that. seems they are about the same as cash for security. i never send a personal check.
4. i have not once used the sockets since ive recieved them,bought them to round out the ones i already have and do not want them for free.
if any of you have a problem with any of this, im sorry but... too freaking bad. this is a personal issue between me and tooljunkie. it is being handled as such and the rest of you can just sit and watch, no need for nasty remarks or judgments.
to BULL.
please be a bit more patient before making any action and if you need anything from me just send me a message.
1. the orginal money order was sent, i can't say what happened with it as i did not track it. that is in the past. move on
2. im not always on the computer that much and not always on here when i am. i assumed the first money order just was going to take some more time and after that forgot about it with life being busy.
3. money has been sent as of last tuesday. money was sent cash as ive read some info as of late that i don't trust money orders after that. seems they are about the same as cash for security. i never send a personal check.
4. i have not once used the sockets since ive recieved them,bought them to round out the ones i already have and do not want them for free.
if any of you have a problem with any of this, im sorry but... too freaking bad. this is a personal issue between me and tooljunkie. it is being handled as such and the rest of you can just sit and watch, no need for nasty remarks or judgments.
to BULL.
please be a bit more patient before making any action and if you need anything from me just send me a message.
CreteCoater
Well-known member
Hang on let me grab some popcorn......
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FYI.. If your going to send Money Orders USPS is about the Safest route to go, Definitely safer than sending Cash thru the Mail.. I have No Dog in this Fight, but its been 105 days since you Initially sent the 1st Money Order. I don't think your in a Position to Question anyone's opinion of the Situation, Especially when they are in the OP's thread.
I can understand that Life gets in the way, I forget **** all the time, But I can promise you that if I left another GJ member hanging over a transaction, Especially considering he trusted you enough to send the Tools Early, There would be no if's ands or butts about it.. He would have the money if I had to Next Day Air it.
IMO 105 days is absurd, I don't care how you want to spin it.
DirtMister16 . . . What was the Pre-Numbered Tracking NUMBER on the "original money order" that you claim you sent?? What was DATE of that money order??
Has the issuing institution cancelled that 1st money order and given you your money back??
IF . . . above happened, you can clear this up real quick.
Banks do Refund and put Stop Payment on Money Orders/Cashiers Checks that get lost in mail. I mailed a Certified Cashiers Check (CCC) to guy in Michigan for high-end scanner and the douche-bag refused the payment in that method and forced me to send a Wire Transfer !!! This was after I sent detailed emails at every step of the way and told him exactly what was happening . . AND . . he received the CCC in 3 days. He was just very demanding Seller, and didn't tell me his intentions until I got the CCC back in mail.
If this wasn't a great deal, I wouldn't have messed with him anymore. Thus, snail mail time for CCC to come back and bank cancelled the CCC and sent wire transfer instead plus a $25 fee !! Round trip on all this took over month, whereas the CCC would have only taken 10 to 14 business days.
NOTE: I did all of above, paying Seller in advance of shipment, before he even shipped the scanner.
Moral of story . . ALWAYS describe EXACTLY how you plan on paying for item (and have both parties agree, as part of initial sales agreement). Also set Deadline for when that payment is expected.
Has the issuing institution cancelled that 1st money order and given you your money back??
IF . . . above happened, you can clear this up real quick.
Banks do Refund and put Stop Payment on Money Orders/Cashiers Checks that get lost in mail. I mailed a Certified Cashiers Check (CCC) to guy in Michigan for high-end scanner and the douche-bag refused the payment in that method and forced me to send a Wire Transfer !!! This was after I sent detailed emails at every step of the way and told him exactly what was happening . . AND . . he received the CCC in 3 days. He was just very demanding Seller, and didn't tell me his intentions until I got the CCC back in mail.
If this wasn't a great deal, I wouldn't have messed with him anymore. Thus, snail mail time for CCC to come back and bank cancelled the CCC and sent wire transfer instead plus a $25 fee !! Round trip on all this took over month, whereas the CCC would have only taken 10 to 14 business days. NOTE: I did all of above, paying Seller in advance of shipment, before he even shipped the scanner.
Moral of story . . ALWAYS describe EXACTLY how you plan on paying for item (and have both parties agree, as part of initial sales agreement). Also set Deadline for when that payment is expected.
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NHBandit
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Cash was mailed a week ago ? Guess that got lost too. Even with the holiday 2-3 days is the norm for first class mail... I'm not your mother but if I was in your shoes I'd have sent it certified mail, signature required at this stage of the game. That covers YOU and proves you sent it no mater what and if it's signed for it proves the OP received it. End of story. In any case do NOT send me any more PMs making excuses for your actions. I am not involved in this mess in any way and simply posted my thoughts on a public forum. It's the OP you owe an explanation to, not me and it's your total lack of commo with him that's made you look guilty.
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dirtmister16
Banned
READ THIS AND GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS.
THIS IS A PERSONAL MATTER BETWEEN ME AND TOOLJUNKIE. IT IS BEING HANDLED AS SUCH.
i owe no one else an explanation of events, message or otherwise. i hate that it happened and i aplogize. when the money comes to his house tooljunkie will let you know.
THIS IS A PERSONAL MATTER BETWEEN ME AND TOOLJUNKIE. IT IS BEING HANDLED AS SUCH.
i owe no one else an explanation of events, message or otherwise. i hate that it happened and i aplogize. when the money comes to his house tooljunkie will let you know.
CreteCoater
Well-known member
Pretty cocky for someone who has been dicking a member around for over 100 days on payment for goods received. I'm pretty sure the OP gave you every opportunity to take care of this privately. Don't be crying now because it came to this.
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Sorry, you need to understand that it became "Non-Personal" when tooljunkie asked for help from the community.
NHBandit
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Dude threads like this are absolutely needed and appreciated by the rest of us. It lets us know who is on the up & up and who is best avoided. Much like Ebay feedback. If you don't like it maybe you shouldn't have taken THREE months to do the right thing... My wife has been selling stuff on Ebay. A $225 set of straight razors went missing at the buyers post office. Tracking shows it arriving there but never being delivered. The post master admits it was either lost or stolen while under his roof. NONE of that was our fault but we still refunded the buyers money. Why ? Because our reputation is worth more than $225. I don't remember what her feedback rating is but mine is currently 868 ALL positive. That wasn't an accident. It's because no matter what I always do the right thing.
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dirtmister16
Banned
hey,
to everyone i aplogize for yelling at you. shouldn't have let it get under my skin. but this matter is already well in hand so please just let it be at that.
i will try to not post in this thread anymore. seems i let it irk me and i shouldn't let that happen. guess im more easily worked up on the net vs in person on this matter.
again i aplogize for yelling. please await for tooljunkie to keep you updated.
to everyone i aplogize for yelling at you. shouldn't have let it get under my skin. but this matter is already well in hand so please just let it be at that.
i will try to not post in this thread anymore. seems i let it irk me and i shouldn't let that happen. guess im more easily worked up on the net vs in person on this matter.
again i aplogize for yelling. please await for tooljunkie to keep you updated.
Neverfly
Well-known member
Of course it got under your skin. It's supposed to get under your skin and irk you.
Even if you were totally innocent in your intentions, even if you sent the money immediately and the post office stole it and you were fool enough to lose the tracking information that always comes with a money order...
You still will have the stain of suspicion hanging over your head.
Your best bet would really have been to send ToolJunkie extra on top of the original price - a way of saying, "Sorry, let me try to make it up to you."
Learn from it. Always keep the Money Order Tracking. Frankly, I think your lack of trust in Money Orders is a load. Take care of a problem immediately- don't wait for it to come back to bite you in the **** when it's had time to fester.
And lastly- when you set out to make it right- Do It Right. The mistakes you made the first time... Like not telling your seller the Tracking information on the Money Order... Don't repeat those mistakes. Although it appears that You've repeated that mistake and it's a big part of why your credibility is being shot even IF you sent the money.
(If I was sending someone a Hundred Bucks, you damn well better believe I'd spend 90 cents on a tracking number...)
Even if you were totally innocent in your intentions, even if you sent the money immediately and the post office stole it and you were fool enough to lose the tracking information that always comes with a money order...
You still will have the stain of suspicion hanging over your head.
Your best bet would really have been to send ToolJunkie extra on top of the original price - a way of saying, "Sorry, let me try to make it up to you."
Learn from it. Always keep the Money Order Tracking. Frankly, I think your lack of trust in Money Orders is a load. Take care of a problem immediately- don't wait for it to come back to bite you in the **** when it's had time to fester.
And lastly- when you set out to make it right- Do It Right. The mistakes you made the first time... Like not telling your seller the Tracking information on the Money Order... Don't repeat those mistakes. Although it appears that You've repeated that mistake and it's a big part of why your credibility is being shot even IF you sent the money.
(If I was sending someone a Hundred Bucks, you damn well better believe I'd spend 90 cents on a tracking number...)
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CreteCoater
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If the OP does get the money it will be interesting to see the post mark date.
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aren't you guys being a bit harsh on the guy?
he made a mistake looks like, ive seen similar things happen to good people. all that happens is that these people when wronged, they get pissed leave the site and make sure alot of people don't traffic it.
goes bad for everyone involved. btw should this matter be handled between the op,the buyer, and the mods? why are the rest of you involved in this?
he made a mistake looks like, ive seen similar things happen to good people. all that happens is that these people when wronged, they get pissed leave the site and make sure alot of people don't traffic it.
goes bad for everyone involved. btw should this matter be handled between the op,the buyer, and the mods? why are the rest of you involved in this?
Well first and foremost the OP asked for help from the community (post #1), and did so with a heavy heart. I think he has been more than fair, considering..
And just so we are clear, I'm not attacking the Buyer, am I disappointed that someone here at GJ has had to endure this situation, but I will say after 100's of transactions here, I have never had any problems. Hopefully the perils of this transaction will help someone in the future..
Rule #1
Protect yourself, if using paypal use the good method and if you send money orders.. Keep the receipt.
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i can understand what your trying to say sir. but i must say that there are alot of people that are just saying he isn't doing right. i see quite a bit of time has passed but it is only the 3rd today, if i read right he sent it end of the month on november? so going by that regardless of the time that has passed orginally. is it really that far out to to think it just ain't coming? say it went out on the 28th or the 30th. hasn't been terribly long?
just going by what i read. at least this guy is being good and stand up about he situation. not a jerk like that wenzel kid was with what he did to that other guy.
Well I can't speak for everyone, but his thread was initiated after 9 weeks of Non payment and we are currently at 105 days. Hopefully the OP will get his money that was supposedly sent somewhere between the 28th and or 30th of November and all will be good in the interwebs.
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yah i see the long overdueness from the orginal point. i get that, just was trying to point out the time frame i see in the recent transaction they set up.
hopefully all will be handled and things will be good. i think ive run across him elseware but couldn't say where i seen the username. id have to say that i was postive, all us humans seem to remember the bad more then the good, so i think it must not have been a bad issue or it woulda stood out.
wish you guys luck!
hopefully all will be handled and things will be good. i think ive run across him elseware but couldn't say where i seen the username. id have to say that i was postive, all us humans seem to remember the bad more then the good, so i think it must not have been a bad issue or it woulda stood out.
wish you guys luck!
The OP has been sorely frustrated by this mess. The buyer needs to make things right, say his mea culpas, and that's that. If the money was mailed out recently, things should be gravy in a couple of days and we can rest easy.
sure seems silly all this over just a few tools and bucks though when you think of it. yes its hard to earn the money, but if you think about it in our lives we really get worked up about things that in the long run mean jack didly sqaut.
gotta be honest though, this is the reason i try not to do much at all on forums. one honest mistake and the world attacks you like the hounds of hell.
gotta be honest though, this is the reason i try not to do much at all on forums. one honest mistake and the world attacks you like the hounds of hell.
I'd say that is a bit hyperbolic.
The OP was patient, didn't get satisfaction for whatever reason, felt the need to go public; the buyer took a couple on the chin by people here wanting to preserve the integrity of the forum. Taking a couple on the chin when you screw up is how it should go.
You just need to say "yeah, I screwed up but am making it right," then make it right and people are likely to be forgiving.
NHBandit
Well-known member
Just a random thought that is maybe a little OT but if so it's done with good intentions. I do alot of selling on Ebay. Car guys, gun guys, blue collar guys like a good number of the folks here, and bikers tend to be the most honest, most reliable folks you'll ever meet. On one of the gun forums I hang out on there have been numerous times I have sent hundreds of dollars worth of stuff to one of the regular members BEFORE receiving payment and I've never been burned. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
like i said i understand the OP. just saying what i see and feel about it. also isn't the i screwed up part what he is trying to do?
not that he may be very skillful about it but i see a honest attempt at it.
^ ^ Mayhem . . . . not sure you've REALLY read everything, and looked at other threads by DirtMister16. OP in this thread has been super patient.
Conversely, actions of DirtMister16 are not passing the smell test. Says he sent a Money Order over 2 months ago but doesn't have any proof that a MO was ever purchased. Later DM16 says he'll get around to scrounging up the money (remember we're talking about $100), but yet DM16 has threads talking about all the other tools he has bought on Ebay & CL, outdoor temporary shed he's bought, etc. - - - - yet DM16 hasn't seemed too concerned to make it right with Seller.
Next couple days will determine if DM16 can earn any credibility back. Snail mail from WI to MD surely gets there in a week. Today or tomorrow will be the clincher.
Conversely, actions of DirtMister16 are not passing the smell test. Says he sent a Money Order over 2 months ago but doesn't have any proof that a MO was ever purchased. Later DM16 says he'll get around to scrounging up the money (remember we're talking about $100), but yet DM16 has threads talking about all the other tools he has bought on Ebay & CL, outdoor temporary shed he's bought, etc. - - - - yet DM16 hasn't seemed too concerned to make it right with Seller.
Next couple days will determine if DM16 can earn any credibility back. Snail mail from WI to MD surely gets there in a week. Today or tomorrow will be the clincher.
CNG. i see what has been posted and just looks to me alot of guys have jumped to name calling, being jerks and not reading facts. not all mind you but alot.
i see that the deal was in august, its december yes very long time. certainly looks bad to anyone who isn't directly involved or indirectly. i also see that there must have been a deal bewteen the two for the money to be sent at a certain time or by a certain time. that appears to have been done(for now).
i see the threads you are talking about, seems to me the dates aren't very close or could be just about similar timing to his orginal deal with tooljunkie. i see the threads your talking about, i don't see any bragging in any of them. i see one for some wrenches he bought at a time close to august when tooljunkie said they started the deal, can't assume anything from that.
i see a thread about his truck, that i don't know what to make of. was he just using all his money on his truck? who knows, but id guess he was doing that. that thread about the storage shed he is looking for, did he buy it? doesn't say, so we can't assume a thing from that other then maybe he has some money he wants to spend on that. i have no clue what kinda money the guy has so i can't just assume anything about a guy i do not know. .
did i miss any threads? i just don't see a past history to assume this guy is a thief.
only thing i see is that he needs to pay tooljunkie and get that situation cleared up promptly. you guys would rather he handle it like that wenzel guy so you could flame and ruin his name more then think about things. if he doesn't pay up then im sure banning is the correct action as it would be bad for this board to have such guys on here.
im just a unbiased party that seems alot of childish things going on.
i see that the deal was in august, its december yes very long time. certainly looks bad to anyone who isn't directly involved or indirectly. i also see that there must have been a deal bewteen the two for the money to be sent at a certain time or by a certain time. that appears to have been done(for now).
i see the threads you are talking about, seems to me the dates aren't very close or could be just about similar timing to his orginal deal with tooljunkie. i see the threads your talking about, i don't see any bragging in any of them. i see one for some wrenches he bought at a time close to august when tooljunkie said they started the deal, can't assume anything from that.
i see a thread about his truck, that i don't know what to make of. was he just using all his money on his truck? who knows, but id guess he was doing that. that thread about the storage shed he is looking for, did he buy it? doesn't say, so we can't assume a thing from that other then maybe he has some money he wants to spend on that. i have no clue what kinda money the guy has so i can't just assume anything about a guy i do not know. .
did i miss any threads? i just don't see a past history to assume this guy is a thief.
only thing i see is that he needs to pay tooljunkie and get that situation cleared up promptly. you guys would rather he handle it like that wenzel guy so you could flame and ruin his name more then think about things. if he doesn't pay up then im sure banning is the correct action as it would be bad for this board to have such guys on here.
im just a unbiased party that seems alot of childish things going on.
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Neverfly
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Banning him might make someone feel ever so slightly better... But it won't get ToolJunkie paid.
Getting ToolJunkie paid is the priority and frankly, more important that DirtMisters feelings on the matter.
A little "Selective Pressure" to ensure that it happens is warranted.
DirtMister got himself into this mess with Piss Poor Handling of the matter.
Period.
And he's still not handling it well. He's Still not included a Money Order Number nor did he pay a few extra cents for a tracking number.
Instead, he claims he sent cash, now... The most Insecure and Worst way to pay someone by mail since there is no verification whatsoever.
So now, without any tracking or verification numbers AGAIN... the matter won't be resolved until ToolJunkie gets an envelope with five twenties in it.
Mayhemman, you seem like a very nice guy. I admire that. I'd like to think the best of people, too. Sadly, people have shown me otherwise, time and again.
I'd recommend you let others, the harsh people, the mean people, the people that will say what you won't say have their piece of this pie. Because harsh, mean or judgmental... It is still a strong impetus to get ToolJunkie Paid.
i guess i just see it differntly then you guys.
only thing we have to do is wait. you can't do anymore then that. i personally think attacking a guy you don't know is just dumb and isn't going to do anything. if he was going to run he would have run and never said a word to anyone again.
time will tell us the truth.
only thing we have to do is wait. you can't do anymore then that. i personally think attacking a guy you don't know is just dumb and isn't going to do anything. if he was going to run he would have run and never said a word to anyone again.
time will tell us the truth.
mmack66
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How long, and how many times should the seller have to wait?
There is simply no excuse, and no reasonable explanation, for a transaction to drag out for 3-4 months.
Sounds to me like time has already told the truth, that the buyer is nothing more than a liar and a thief.
he never should have had to wait in the first place. but for whatever reason we are here at this point.
you keep jumping over facts. the guy says he has sent the money again and we havn't heard if its there or not as of yet.
im a patient person and id be pissed as all hell that this happened too but you nor me are actually in this at all. doesn't matter what we say good or bad. facts are facts, the guy has been in touch with the seller has worked out a plan and that is in motion untill we hear further.
i just don't share your mindset about a guy i never met. if it was me i would have been pissed and just wrote it off at this point and deal elseware like ebay (as much as that site is a theif in its own ways). that and learn a lesson on sending out anything without so much as a payment to begin with.
there is fault on both sides here more on the buyer's part for sure here but still you guys are jumpy.
you keep jumping over facts. the guy says he has sent the money again and we havn't heard if its there or not as of yet.
im a patient person and id be pissed as all hell that this happened too but you nor me are actually in this at all. doesn't matter what we say good or bad. facts are facts, the guy has been in touch with the seller has worked out a plan and that is in motion untill we hear further.
i just don't share your mindset about a guy i never met. if it was me i would have been pissed and just wrote it off at this point and deal elseware like ebay (as much as that site is a theif in its own ways). that and learn a lesson on sending out anything without so much as a payment to begin with.
there is fault on both sides here more on the buyer's part for sure here but still you guys are jumpy.
^ ^ ^ Are you DM16's mom . . 
. . . . you just can't SEE what's right in front of your face.
Tomorrow is Thursday . . . . DM16 "claims" he mailed (snail mail by US Postal Service) an envelope with $100 cash . . . . . that surely would get from WI to MD in a week (worst case scenario).
OP can update this thread once he goes to mailbox tomorrow.
. . . . you just can't SEE what's right in front of your face.Tomorrow is Thursday . . . . DM16 "claims" he mailed (snail mail by US Postal Service) an envelope with $100 cash . . . . . that surely would get from WI to MD in a week (worst case scenario).
OP can update this thread once he goes to mailbox tomorrow.
Neverfly
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That's not necessarily a bad thing.
I think it's perfectly ok to disagree with people and to speak up about it.
And I will do so now: I disagree.
While I admire your ideas... Experience demonstrates that more often than not, people will get away with what they can.
If they think they might get caught- they'll try to play it off.
I speak out against DirtMister in this thread... But am I really any better?
Well... I cannot say on this type of situation... But I've done a lot of dishonorable things in my life in any case. Got some things in my history I'd like to believe I'd never have done.
It was the judgment of others that went toward setting me straight.
Is DirtMister any better? I think everyone would like to believe that he will make that choice. There is no way of predicting what he might choose and so- any rational person must fall back on experience.
And experience on such matter is not so promising.
But that is not the end of it. Next year, perhaps DirtMister will never find himself in such situations. Perhaps he'll learn and grow beyond it. I won't speculate as to the odds on that- I'll keep such to myself... But if he does...
Perhaps he too will say it was the judgment of others that pressured him into it.
That's what growing is; Pressure.
That's a fine idea.
But in life, it doesn't always work out that way.
I will now invoke Godwins Law.
There was a guy that thought differently than I do- He believed that ridding the world of Jews was a really good idea.
Perhaps he was an idealist. Maybe he was [a murderous crazy sunuva...] deluded.
But either way, there was no convincing him that he was making a mistake... And in the end, he wound up in a ditch dead. Harsh.
Some never learn. But others can learn from their mistakes. Which is why we pass our judgment.
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yes i agree it should be there in a week at latest with normal mail. not that the post office is always quick with there mailing.
sorry if you see it as im standing up for him, just you guys don't seem to give anyone a fair shake around here. i belive in innocent until proven guilty, he screwed up once and is on his second chance which is pretty lucky. most wouldn't do that.
lets all just see what happnens.
neverfly,
i see you are a rational man as i am. i did not see you being so harsh on the guy but you make a good point as much as others without the antics some have put on here.
i myself have been very lucky and havn't had such problems with things, but the time may come when i do.
always remember the golden rule, that applies to everyone.
yes i agree it should be there in a week at latest with normal mail. not that the post office is always quick with there mailing.
sorry if you see it as im standing up for him, just you guys don't seem to give anyone a fair shake around here. i belive in innocent until proven guilty, he screwed up once and is on his second chance which is pretty lucky. most wouldn't do that.
lets all just see what happnens.
neverfly,
i see you are a rational man as i am. i did not see you being so harsh on the guy but you make a good point as much as others without the antics some have put on here.
i myself have been very lucky and havn't had such problems with things, but the time may come when i do.
always remember the golden rule, that applies to everyone.
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mmack66
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Come on. No one sends $100 cash in the mail. Claiming that is just a setup for yet another "lost/stolen in the mail" excuse.
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