Bad Transaction?

[Neverfly]

neverfly,

i see you are a rational man as i am.

Not always.

i myself have been very lucky and havn't had such problems with things, but the time may come when i do.

Which suggests that you're not a bad character- as it seems it doesn't occur to you that a person might String Another Person Along...

always remember the golden rule, that applies to everyone.

You know... I've never been one that had a high regard for Rules.

Come on. No one sends $100 cash in the mail. Claiming that is just a setup for yet another "lost/stolen in the mail" excuse.

This is my thinking and if you notice- Where I went from saying "Benefit of the doubt" to, "Hang him!"

And it's possibly even more devious than that:

DirtMister, realizing he was caught but wanting to play it off, actually does send cash in the mail - In order to present the opening to appear as though he was innocent all along, if not a bit naive about the Postal Service.
It won't fully repair his reputation but would allow for a grumbling bit of doubt, which is all he needs. I'm being totally speculative, here. I am not suggesting he's done that.
However, I will say that it would be rather tragic if a postal worker noticed envelope of cash with no tracking; stole the cash and the (Speculative) plot utterly backfired on him.

 

[mayhemman]

most don't but ive done it, others ive known have sent cash to me. i had a funny one once. i got a check for 50 cents from someone i sold to(long silly story)


but in this day and age it sure isn't common and in this instance a money order with tracking on the package and some kinda verifiaction would be smart and go a long way to easing the seller.

i wonder how many people still trust the mail system for cash to be sent besides birthday cards and such?

 

[Neverfly]

i wonder how many people still trust the mail system for cash to be sent besides birthday cards and such?

I dunno... But here's a nifty question: How common is it that cash gets stolen by postal workers?

Right off: I have no idea. Not a single clue. Not even enough data to give any kind of speculation on that answer.

But here's the brain teaser...

Most any court, billing departments of companies or organizations will make it clear: Do Not Send Cash. They won't accept cash, no matter how cool and green it is. It must be personal check or money order or travelers cheque... So, the brain teaser is... Are such policies set in place because postal workers are stealing cash out of envelopes like mad?
Or is it because so freaking many people claim that postal workers did that when they did not actually send in payment and are trying C.Y.A. measures to keep the utilities on or court from issuing a warrant?
See, it's not as though that makes them total liars or really bad people- But they are scared of consequences and they will lie.
Most any teacher will tell you- Parents lie their butts off.
Most any cop will tell you most people they pull over do the same.

I really wonder... Do postal workers EVER actually steal cash from envelopes?

 

[mmack66]

I dunno... But here's a nifty question: How common is it that cash gets stolen by postal workers?

Right off: I have no idea. Not a single clue. Not even enough data to give any kind of speculation on that answer.

But here's the brain teaser...

Most any court, billing departments of companies or organizations will make it clear: Do Not Send Cash. They won't accept cash, no matter how cool and green it is. It must be personal check or money order or travelers cheque... So, the brain teaser is... Are such policies set in place because postal workers are stealing cash out of envelopes like mad?
Or is it because so freaking many people claim that postal workers did that when they did not actually send in payment and are trying C.Y.A. measures to keep the utilities on or court from issuing a warrant?
See, it's not as though that makes them total liars or really bad people- But they are scared of consequences and they will lie.
Most any teacher will tell you- Parents lie their butts off.
Most any cop will tell you most people they pull over do the same.

I really wonder... Do postal workers EVER actually steal cash from envelopes?

I would imagine that the main reason is that there is no paper trail with cash transactions sent through the mail system. How much cash was sent or received, or even whether the cash was sent or received is all on the honor system, and since some people are not honorable, it is best to avoid the situation altogether.

 

[CNGsaves]

So it's been OVER a week for "mailed payment of cash" to get from WI to MD ??

Did it arrive?? When ??

Updates ??

 

[mmack66]

So it's been OVER a week for "mailed payment of cash" to get from WI to MD ??

Did it arrive?? When ??

Updates ??

I'm expecting to read that an empty envelope was received by the seller, with a claim by the buyer that he forgot to put the $100, in cash, in the envelope.

 

[Sureshot]

I'm expecting to read that an empty envelope was received by the seller, with a claim by the buyer that he forgot to put the $100, in cash, in the envelope.

I think it will just not show up and be the PO's fault for losing the mail or one of the "corrupt employees" stole it. As soon as the cash via mail idea rose it's ugly head the scam was up for me. It is super easy and secure to email money via interac, pay via paypal, or send a money order priority mail with tracking and try to retain some credibility.

At this point it seems the op would be doing well to ever see his tools or any money. Hopefully dirt feels some pressure on his own self worth and the error of his ways in front of his peers and makes good on it. We have all been young and dumb and if this doesn't teach him something dirt will be a dirtbag all his life.

 

[CreteCoater]

**** happens. I once held up a box pass on a tobacco forum due to procrastination/life getting in the way however there was no money involved. If I was in dirts situation I damn well sure would have posted proof the "second" time I mailed payment.

This has moved on from "life getting in the way" to outright thievery at this point.

Hopefully the OP gets his money. If he does, I bet the post mark is significantly later than when it was supposedly mailed out.

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[jmm]

Somebody pay this fool a visit. Tooljunkie's one of the coolest guys to deal with on here. Jerking him around for 100 bucks is pathetic.

 

[Bull]

This is disgusting.

There is more BS going on here than you guys know.

 

[nmcqueen469]

What a mess. ***** for the OP when you try to be a good guy and get hosed.

 

[CreteCoater]

May as well give us the next chapter of this soap opera.

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[Neverfly]

This is disgusting.

There is more BS going on here than you guys know.

I would take this to mean that payment did not arrive and T.J. contacted Mods.

 

[mmack66]

I would take this to mean that payment did not arrive and T.J. contacted Mods.

I'm pretty sure most of us already knew that the payment wouldn't arrive.

 

[tooljunkie4]

Today is Saturday, December 7, 2013. Payment for the 305TTWYA socket set has not arrived - neither in full nor in part. dirtmister16's assurances aside, I've received no indication that payment ever will arrive.

I can provide conjecture, opinion, or hard data. Here is some hard data:

#1: The USPS tracking number for the socket set:

9114901075742515220526


#2: All private communications traded with dirtmister16 since my last update to this thread:

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12-03-2013, 09:09 PM

Matt,

let me know if the money isn't there by the weekend. i will be home sunday, will check in at that time. if the money hasn't shown by then, we can do something else either ill return the sockets or we can figure out another form of payment.

really not sure what else we can do at this point. i have another thought on payment via paypal that just hit my mind, we could have another member accept it via paypal and go from there if need be.

again sorry that it hasn't shown, but i would think it would be there by the weekend. if you have any other ideas let me know

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12-03-2013, 07:52 PM

did you get my last message. my browser went down. please let me know?

Given the massive standing delay and the added scrutiny that you had already received as a result of this situation, why did you not choose a method of payment or even a method of delivery that was either more secure or at least trackable? This does not make sense. Please advise.

-Matt

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12-03-2013, 07:51 PM

i just sent it to you as soon as i had the money and could get to the post office. i would have gone during the day if i could have but like ive said i was busy with work and other things in life.

secure, i honestly can't say anything is secure anymore after recent information ive read and got about money orders. two reasons i wouldn't send you a check 1. if i don't have the money in my account when you cash it, for whatever reason then thats a problem. 2. i prefer to send these types of transactions with cash,M.O. as they are done at that point once received.

paypal, would have if i had money in that account. that and im pissed at ebay so im not selling there, which is why there is no money on that account. i didnt' think of it till now but i suppose i could have got a money card at walmart and done that. sorry if i had thought of that i would have done that.

i honestly didn't think about sending it overnight. that likely would have been the best route but i just didn't think of it. i aplogize for this being such a big issue, i really feel bad about this but if i had been on top of this beforehand i guess we wouldn't be here today. im sorry, please let me know when the money arrives. it will be there that i promise. if there is anything else i can do, please just say so.

Given the massive standing delay and the added scrutiny that you had already received as a result of this situation, why did you not choose a method of payment or even a method of delivery that was either more secure or at least trackable? This does not make sense. Please advise.

-Matt

just as i messaged you, just last tuesday. i can't say when the post office sent it off, i would think the next morning, but as it was day before thanksgiving coudn't say if that changed anything? would think it was in the system at least wednesday.

I see. When did you post this envelope?

-Matt

no i don't, sent you cash this time. i never send a check anymore, was just reading some more on money orders and i don't think they are a safe bet anymore either.

i didn't get a tracking number, i just tossed it into the outside box as it was after hours when i got the chance to send it. just let me know when it arrives. hope you see it soon.

Nothing has arrived yet. Do you have either a tracking number for that envelope or a USPS money order serial number?

-Matt

Just wanted to let you know ill be out of town till the weekend. let me know when that money arrives.

Matt,

My mailing address is:

[redacted]

-Matt

hello,

could i get your address again just to make sure i get it right? also i probally won't get it out tomorrow as i have some brake lines to do in the morning before work. if i get the chance ill drop it in the box after work. otherwise it won't be till tuesday morning i can send it out. either way it won't go out till tuesday.

Matt,

The sooner the better.

-Matt

hello,

i aplogize for the delay and lack of replies to you. i have been a bit busy.

i was notified about the thread you started, seems you never got your money. i aplogize and would like to rectify that situation..


i feel that you should get your money though i do have issue that im am already out the money orginally. it is important to me that my reputation stay in good standing here on the garage journal and i will be sure to get you paid in full.

sadly though i don't have the money at this time as im in a crunch till next payday and my hours have been cut as it is. would you be wiling to accept a payment at the end of the month? i get paid then and will be able to get you sqaured up.

again i dont' know what happned to the orginal money order all i know is that it was sent out and you never recieved it. i had checked with the post office and they could do nothing for me. i just assumed it was one of those things where it took a little longer and after that i forgot about it. i should have kept in touch with you more it seems about it, i am terribly forgetful and when life gets busy things happen sometimes.

i hope we can resolve this issue.

thank you for your time and some of your patience. matt

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11-27-2013, 11:33 PM

let me know when your money arrives i sent it out yesterday. sorry for the slow reponse. been a busy week.

Matt,

My mailing address is:

[redacted]

-Matt

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I'm not sure of where to go with this next.

 

[Tarheelgarage]

What a lying, low-life scum bag .

 

[Strouty]

I think the ban hammer is in order. Maybe he can hang out with camarotoolman!

 

[Firestarter Fred]

WOW! Just at this point require your sockets back, as I see no money in your future....Then again, what makes a person believe the sockets would ever arrive?
Silly me!

 

[Strouty]

Reputation ruined for a lousy hundred bucks.

 

[CreteCoater]

Now he is thinking about Paypal? What's he going to do...."pay" a third time?

Imbecile.

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[tooljunkie4]

Now he is thinking about Paypal? What's he going to do...."pay" a third time?

Imbecile.

It wouldn't work anyway. I made it clear to him that I do not have a Paypal account.

 

[Hiball]

It wouldn't work anyway. I made it clear to him that I do not have a Paypal account.

If it means taking care of a fellow member he can Paypal me the money (gift +USPS fee) and I can ship out Monday AM.

 

[Flivver250]

You have his name and address. Call the local Snap-On guy and let him know, he may know him. Tool salesmen take bad debtors seriously.

 

[OxJaw]

I can't believe he thought anyone would believe he sent cash through the mail. Seriously, how dumb is that? Tracking through USPS is less than a dollar and would have cleared this up the first time if he really sent anything (which it doesn't seem likely that he did).

All he has done is claimed to have sent payment in two way that he can't or won't prove so he could claim they were "lost". Oh wait, he has his word, like that's worth anything now

This is exactly how I would have handled this situation too, I love paying for things twice.

 

[Sureshot]

Maybe the sockets are sold via Ebay or CL. These kinds of guys are slow learners and slow to take personal responsibility. It isn't his fault. It's our fault he is this way.

 

[NHBandit]

3. money has been sent as of last tuesday. That would have been November 26th. What a lying bag of ****. Now it's Dec 8th and it's still "missing". I can only hope that Bull does have some inside info and that it's going to get this settled once & for all AND that the end result after the debt is settled will be "banned" under Dirtbag's name... I can only assume it's not there yet because Bull still has hope of this being resolved. The only thing worse than a thief is a lying thief... "the dog ate my homework" ain't cutting it anymore.

 

[Neverfly]

It wouldn't work anyway. I made it clear to him that I do not have a Paypal account.

You don't have to have one for him to pay you with his.

I've received MANY paypal payments long before I ever got an account.

WOW! Just at this point require your sockets back, as I see no money in your future....Then again, what makes a person believe the sockets would ever arrive?
Silly me!

Even if he did demand that they be returned, DirtMister16 would claim that he had sent the money TWICE and after paying $200, he's not willing to send them back.

There is no doubt that DirtMister16 Is Lying His *** Off and nothing short of a direct confrontation is going to get his lies cleared.

Not even a FOOL would have sent a payment (Claimed a Second Time, at that) in cash without any tracking.
Not.
A.
Chance.

He did that solely because he is Lying. It's cleared that he's lying. And his furthered pathetic attempts at it are an insult to everyones intelligence.

In doing so much lying, DirtMister, you did not save your reputation any- You utterly destroyed it.

If you had been honest and made an actual attempt at working something out- You would probably have gotten some leeway.

As it is, when you realized that the shipping had been done- You became an opportunistic bottom feeder and in that moment, you knew you would never pay for them nor send them back.

 

[KPSquared]

This guy has a YouTube Channel and is active on several other forums. There has GOT to be someone close enough to go knock on his door and have a little chat about honesty? He hasn't exactly been vauge on youtube. He should be pretty easy to find.

I would love to full on Wenzel this guy but GJ has a LOT more class than Pirate so I'm sure we can come up with a more civil solution. Although a BFH and a knee cap sure would feel good. . .

 

[Neverfly]

I would love to full on Wenzel this guy but GJ has a LOT more class than Pirate so I'm sure we can come up with a more civil solution. Although a BFH and a knee cap sure would feel good. . .

Mods tend to clean up after a mess ( I know, they cleaned me up with two weeks off once.)
I'm just saying... If a mess did happen... It's not as though they cannot clean it up After...

I think you're also on to something- This fool's spread himself real thin. We can take the lack of class to him, in his various stomping grounds.

 

[RivennHewn]

Maybe he's just dumber than a box of rocks.

 

[Neverfly]

Maybe he's just dumber than a box of rocks.

I've met dumb people. No one is that dumb.

 

[Firestarter Fred]

Some humor for a very sour situation.
TJ I hope you get paid in the end, or your tools back.

 

[zilla68]

yellowjacket.com
just sayin!!

 

[Neverfly]

yellowjacket.com
just sayin!!

What?
How would HVAC tools resolve this one?

 

[tooljunkie4]

An update:

An envelope from dirtmister16 arrived with Monday's mail. I photographed that envelope, and video taped the process of opening it. The contents were (5) $20 bills and a blank sheet of white printer/copy paper. The postmark reads "03 DEC 2013 PM".

I had hoped to gain the ability to link to both the photo and the video before posting this update. Unfortunately, I have been having extreme difficulty with getting the video to upload completely to Photobucket. I've been at it since about 11PM Eastern. Will pick that up again and update whenever Photobucket support responds to my query. For the moment, I am posting only the photograph of the postmark.

Thank you to the moderators and to all members who have weighed in. This particular outcome would not likely have come to pass without your involvement.

Thanks also to dirtmister16 / mayhemman for finally settling your tab. Our business in this matter is concluded.

Photo is here:


Video is here:

 

[Harrison2]

did he write your address in pencil and send $100 in a non insured envelope?

just watched the video, did you wear gloves in caution of anthrax or something? LOL

 

[Neverfly]

An update:
An envelope from dirtmister16 arrived with Monday's mail.

In pencil.

I photographed that envelope, and video taped the process of opening it. The contents were (5) $20 bills and a blank sheet of white printer/copy paper. The postmark reads "03 DEC 2013 PM".

Snailish snail mail.

In spite of calls for a ban, I'd ask that the mods do not ban if they are still inclined. Being banned is a "Well, time to move on" situation.
But having this cloud hanging over ones head- that would be unpleasant and lasting.

DirtMister- you made right - but at what cost?
$100? I think it cost you more than that. I think you'll be paying on this debt for a long time. $100 is not chump change. It's a fair amount of money.


On Dec. 3rd, You said, "3. money has been sent as of last tuesday. money was sent cash (snip) "
That cloud hangs over your head...


That said, I personally have no intention of telling you off over this incident, bringing this incident up in the future or calling you names. Because you paid your financial debt.
The other debt...
Well...
You must choose to pay on that, as well.
And that won't be an easy choice. It may mean not being able to buy items you want from members on this forum. Maybe in time that will change.
It may mean that others will shy away from your posts on unrelated topics.
But the way I see it- You paid the man and that should be rewarded with No More Flak over this incident.

Thanks also to dirtmister16 / mayhemman for finally settling your tab.

Sockpuppet?

 

[KPSquared]

If anyone ever does business with this child again, they would be very stupid. I would prefer that the mods ban him just for all the lies. Someone like that isn't welcome in this community.

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[OxJaw]

Good on him for making the situation right. I'll give him credit for that, I honestly thought you would never see your money.

Too bad it took so long and he lied continuously through the whole ordeal.

 

[NUTTSGT]

An update:

An envelope from dirtmister16 arrived with Monday's mail. I photographed that envelope, and video taped the process of opening it. The contents were (5) $20 bills and a blank sheet of white printer/copy paper. The postmark reads "03 DEC 2013 PM".

Thank you to the moderators and to all members who have weighed in. This particular outcome would not likely have come to pass without your involvement.

Thanks also to dirtmister16 / mayhemman for finally settling your tab. Our business in this matter is concluded.

For the record, I did edit tool junkies post when quoting him. This matter has been settled and this thread will be closed. dirtmister16 and his second account, mayhemman have both been banned, yes, he was defending himself.