Above 1200 Sq/FT Bailey's Barn Build

[mwbailey]

We're making progress at lightening speed now! I had scheduled vinyl top installation on Papa Smurf for last Monday, but a lightening storm was forecast. His workshop was already full of cars and he didn't want to take a chance of getting any of the cars wet, so we postponed until tomorrow, maybe! I had ordered the vinyl trim for the bottom of the C pillar along with clips. I was debating whether to get him to install the clips or do it myself

The delay gave me more time to consider and I steeled myself and put the clips on.


Compare to post #1114; it's hard to see, but one large hole (still there) and a few small holes were already there. I needed to drill about three holes on both sides. That first hole was really hard to drill -- it hurt me just to put a hole in the nice paint!! Used LOTS of tape, a towel, punch, and a couple of bits (smaller then larger) to get it done. The tape also was pulled to follow the line from front to rear of pillar. Sure hope these clips work!

The pinstripe is painted, Xtremek. The body and paint guy and I had a bit of discussion about that. He wanted decal, which is available; but I leaned toward paint with stencil available. Originally the pinstripe was paint, supposedly using a wheel and sometimes the wheel marks are visible! The stencil wasn't as easy as hoped -- nothing is -- but he did a good job.

Thanks for comments, Cris. My Ole Paint comes in handy on occasion. Xtremek has an 8N that gets occasional use, as well. They are really neat tractors, but can hardy hold a candle to some of the newer models -- except, of course, they are cheaper!

 

[xtremek]

I will also say that even though they aren't as versatile, they can handle much more abuse. I'm down right MEAN to our 8n. It's normal for the front end to be off the ground.

And nice call on the paint pinstripe. Decals don't ever look right to me.

 

[mwbailey]

WooHoo, got Pop Smurf to vinyl top guy first thing this am, after a few fits and starts on my part and his. He seemed ready to install the top. Approved of the clips, more or less, that I installed. THEN, he mentioned that this was good time to install headliner while windows were out. I had gotten a price for the headliner installation from him, so that seemed like a reasonable suggestion. He asked if I had bow rods, which I did. I could return them by lunchtime. A smaller diameter bow was bent at one end. I knew it hadn't come from the current parts car, so maybe it was still in there. Sho nuf:

Tried wire brush and flap wheel to remove some rust. . . removed "some"!?!? In the meantime a thought crept up: What about the dome light and dome light wiring. NO electrical had been re-installed in Pop Smurf -- OMG. Wait, wait. There are side panel/sail panels with lights on the 442.

By the time I had returned with bows he was eating lunch but had started on headliner. It didn't look like the "right" pattern, though he said it was what he had been using since he couldn't get the basketweave. I asked for him to hold off while I checked around. I hoped maybe to find the material, itself, that could be ordered and he could fabricate the headliner. As I was checking another funny thought crept up in the back of my head. Hadn't I been through the search before? Well, yes, yes I had. And there on the top shelf of the storage rack was a box:


James, the vinyl top guy, promised not to laugh but when I showed him the box he laughed, anyway. So, with a chuckle behind us, we're on our way again. Maybe headliner AND vinyl top this week.

 

[xtremek]

I hate when I know I bought something and can't find it. This sounds like the exact opposite. Got lucky there.

 

[mwbailey]

Yep, xtremek, the installer caught me by surprise with the headliner thought and I didn't get my act together very well. But it's not the first time I've duplicated my parts. . . . I guess I need to work faster to stay within the length of my memory

 

[mwbailey]

Got Pop Smurf back from vinyl top and headliner work. Looks pretty good to me. Can't find any scratches on the paint job but I do see a kink in a piece of trim that was installed. A bit of pucker on one headliner bow, but maybe that will stretch out in time. Much more trim and windlace to be installed. . . by me! Windshield and back glass next. . . by professional!

 

[68400BIRD]

Car is looking really nice. The black top looks great with that color blue. Love the red lines with the factory rims. Nice job!!

 

[mwbailey]

Hey, BIRD, the plan is to keep to the stock features of this car -- hence red lines, SSI's, vinyl top, etc. I may have mentioned elsewhere, but the car had vacuum auto trunk opener, power rear antenna, bench seat, 4-speed but no AC or power steering. . . as best I can tell. We'll try to go back the same way. Is your 68 Firebird on GJ somewhere?!

 

[68400BIRD]

1968 Firebird 400

I bought this as a second project to build with my kids when they got a little older. I had a 1977RS camaro that was 99% complete but I lost it in a accident at the body shop (FIRE) make sure your insurance is up to par and that the bodyshop has insurance:pat...

www.pro-touring.com

It has been a while since I have posted anything on line about my car/build. After the photo bucket debacle I lost interest in posting. I found garage journal after some searches when I added onto my garage. I have been meaning to start a thread but do not know how to post pictures anymore. I should try to figure it out as it would be definitely worth it.

 

[xtremek]

1968 Firebird 400

I bought this as a second project to build with my kids when they got a little older. I had a 1977RS camaro that was 99% complete but I lost it in a accident at the body shop (FIRE) make sure your insurance is up to par and that the bodyshop has insurance:pat...

www.pro-touring.com

It has been a while since I have posted anything on line about my car/build. After the photo bucket debacle I lost interest in posting. I found garage journal after some searches when I added onto my garage. I have been meaning to start a thread but do not know how to post pictures anymore. I should try to figure it out as it would be definitely worth it.

Pics on your computer are easy. The row of icons at the top of each pane, it's the picture one, just to the left of the smiley face.

 

[mwbailey]

Yep, as xtremek says, it's not too hard to post photos. I don't take the time to edit very much.

Nice project with the '68. Looks like a labor of love. Blue is a pretty good body color!

 

[xtremek]

So, do you have all the parts for the interior? And are you still looking for the last couple of exterior trim pieces?

 

[mwbailey]

Do I have all the interior parts? I'm the guy that forgot he had the headliner and you're asking what?!?!?

I have seats already upholstered -- did the rear myself and had the front done "professionally" -- as well as carpet, refurbished dash and dash pad, door panels, arm rests, etc. But I went through the OPGI catalogue yesterday and listed a dozen items I still need! Many items I have, like door levers and window handles, I could use but when I look at 55 year old parts and then look at the paint job, I tend to want all new. This thing is nickel and diming me to death!

Little things are going to take some time deciding and installing. For example, there is a "rough edge" on the headliner at the A pillar. I wondered how that worked so I looked at the other 442 and saw a little metal piece screwed to the top of the pillar on the inside. Hmm, sure hope I can find a couple of those. The parts car came to my rescue. Check it out -- focused photos or not!

 

[mwbailey]

Well, "it's been a minute" and things have dragged on. BUT, yesterday I got a new windshield installed as well as a "vintage" rear window. Some scratches on the latter, but I think it will be OK. I had loaded the car up on trailer and took over to be installed at the guy's shop. When he saw it was not "self-powered" he asked me to let him come to my shop to install. I was good with that, but then his admin assistant was out with COVID and he had to do her work as well as his. After that, HE got COVID and got behind. No major problem and the delay allowed me to polish some "vintage" trim pieces. That went OK but was not fully satisfactory -- the buffer pulled a piece out of my hand and threw it on the floor. That put in a little nick that I then had to work out. That was for windshield. So, I went to repo route for rear window. First set of trim came with small scratch. They had no problem replacing IF I sent a photo of the pieces twisted up (i.e., don't ship back). In the meantime I had checked with a restore shop across the state line and they had the trim. When I sent a picture of the twisted pieces, the guy said they had already shipped the replacements. Turns out a couple of them had scratches! Nothing major but you hate to install something that you KNOW you'll always notice! Once again, twist up and photo. That really hurt me to have to do that.


Since we were going across state line to see family, I picked up a set at "local" shop -- first set had scratches, so opened another and it was good. All that while waiting for installer to find time.

Good job of installing glass and the vintage trim went on pretty easily. . . except, I couldn't find the bottom piece. I felt pretty strongly that I had buffed up all I needed. Installer said to shine another spare I had and he'd come back to install. They had to fight the repo pieces to get them on. Seemed that has been their experience, reproduction pieces just don't fit so good.



Oh, and polished bottom trim showed up in crease of sheet I had used as "table". Sheet was covering reupholstered seats; seemed to be a good horizontal surface at the time.

 

[mwbailey]

Also did a little work on the barn! To clear out enough room for the glass installer to work, I had to rearrange where the Miata was parked. Found that coming in the back door would allow room for the little car. BUT, ever since a few months after construction, that door would not lock. The doors were not well aligned and the hasp would not close without wedging the corner of one up a bit. No problem if you don't use the door. But, now that weather is cooling down a little and not having AC in the Miata is OK, I want to drive it more. Gas mileage is about twice what I get with Expedition. So, I decided one day to fix the door alignment.

The builder had taken an extra step not in the plans and covered the rail that the doors hang on with 1X's. That seemed like a good idea, but the dang adjustment cannot be reached behind the board:


So, I pulled off the left hand board to make the adjustment. Everything was going well until the adjustment screw came completely out of the adjuster -- I had to adjust too far working with just one side! So, I had to pull the right hand board off, too, and adjust half way on each. Actually, it wasn't quite that easy but this is getting too long and here's another piece of the sequential vortex: I had to put these 8-foot board back on by myself!

To do that, I put a screw near the top middle of the board and another on the "leanto" part still attached to the barn. With a little baling twine, I pulled the board up close with one hand, pushed with my shoulder to free up my other hand, and screwed together from the top.

Bottom line, the doors work pretty well. I wonder why I didn't do this earlier. Hmm, I wonder why I didn't do this when BIL was staying with us for a couple of years. . .

 

[mwbailey]

Only one excuse left -- life gets in the way! Glass guy came back out to install the lower windshield trim that hid from us in the sheet covering the upholstered seats. Looks pretty good.


I got hit with COVID during our vacation in France at the end of October only to have "rebound COVID" this past week. Heck, I would be pretty isolated in the barn, so maybe it's OK to start doing some work on wiring for the 442.

 

[xtremek]

What were the symptoms? A friend at work just got it, said it was between a bad cold and the flu. But I agree, sound like you should isolate yourself in a wiring harness.

 

[mwbailey]

Hey xtremek, my only concern is that if I'm working by myself with the wiring harness I have, it might be days before anyone would realize I was so tangled I couldn't get out!

Slight fever (99.4), runny nose, and hoarse throat. Tested positive twice! Taking Paxlovid and the worst part of the whole thing is the bad taste the medication is giving. Cure is worse than disease, maybe. If I weren't so dang old, I might just suffer through the symptoms

 

[mwbailey]

Wait, what? Progress on Pop Smurf?!?! Well, maybe a little. Not too tough to install a starter when the engine is on a stand. Only problem s whether to shim or not.

Various YouTubes show using Allen wrench, 1/8" drill, and/or paper clip to check clearance. I tried the 1/8" drill, but felt uncomfortable trying to measure clearance between two circular objects with a straight measuring device. Maybe I'll go back in with a paper clip if I can get the bendix to engage with the flywheel.

 

[xtremek]

Throw a battery on the solenoid and watch the bendix?

 

[mwbailey]

Well, the holidays got in the way then the New Years with a gift of a resistance trainer from my son. So not much real action around here.

Old Paint failed to start again -- starter whined but engine didn't turn over. I figured Bendix. Took starter out but couldn't get pin in new Bendix so picked up new starter. Same thing. Then I remembered that a local Ford 8N shop had welded the ring gear to the flywheel a couple of years ago to resolve similar issue. Internet says that approach is a shade tree mechanic's cure, but it sure is easier than splitting the thing in two. Heck, one guy even suggested that the heat of welding was probably enough to warp the ring gear so it seized on the flywheel. I gave it a shot and the tractor cranked. My welds sure were gobby, but not much more than the 8N shop! Here's his and mine:

 

[mwbailey]

Probably as much a diary entry as anything, but got a kick out of a Fathers Day gift from my granddaughters! They know that Coca-Cola and Bluegrass music are two of my favorite things. They like to give me Coke "memorabilia" for birthdays, Christmas, and such. So, they gave me this T-shirt:


It might not be centered on the barn, but maybe it is on the two post lift! In any case, it didn't matter too much since I wasn't going to climb to the top of that ladder again to fix it. . . .



A little hard to read, but it does say Blue-Grass in "Coca-Cola script"!

Oh, and Old Paint is still cranking up with my gobby welding job on the flywheel ring gear, but not much more progress on the 442. . . .

 

[mwbailey]

So, maybe this is a bit garage-related. . . The Wife happened to be in the workshop on a rare visit this weekend and noticed a bucket of screws:


These were pretty important in the assemby of the barn, now, about 10 years ago -- funny that The Wife is just now noticing them. Anyway, she says, "What are these for?" I explain their use several years back and mention that we have benefitted from a number of surplus items from the build. Next question, "What are you going to do with them?" I knew she was thinking I should get rid of them!?!? I said they had lots of uses, probably; and you never know when you might need one or more.

Well, as luck would have it, a week or so ago, a limb fell on the electric fence around "her" garden and popped a wire. As I was repairing it, I found one of those uses. There is enough slope at the back of the garden that a straight line path for the lowest wire would ground out on the ground. I had used a short piece of PVC pipe to avoid the ground. It wasn't the most stable structure so:



I think, by estimated count, I still have 493 screws left for future use!

 

[mwbailey]

Whoa, maybe this is progress on the barn, itself -- landscaping? Seems The Wife gave me an anniversary present. She said she would buy the crushed rock to "pave" the entrance to the barn. I had to spread it. . . whaaaaa?! AND, I couldn't have a truckload of 57 delivered because she didn't want a big truck on "her" concrete drive because it might cause cracks. So, seven 1/2 yard loads of gravel (probably a bit more than my F100 was rated for at that) later, plus some work on laying "landscaping timbers" we have a much improved look. Of course, come the first rain, it might become a quagmire. We're hoping the fairly significant crusher run base will prevent that.



Even made a little progress on the Pop Smurf 442. The bolts on the exhaust manifold to exhaust pipe were "frozen", to say the least. After days of PB Blaster, several bangs with a hammer, and some impact wrench work, nothing was making a difference.


So, we got out the band saw and several drill bits to cut the exhaust pipe off and drill out the bolts.


Will need to use nut and bolt I suppose since the threads in the manifold are pretty well gone!

 

[Bob Heine]

Will need to use nut and bolt I suppose since the threads in the manifold are pretty well gone!

@mwbailey, That looks like a perfect candidate for a helicoil. A bolt and nut would work but may make it difficult to tighten. And a few years down the road you may forget why the nut won't come off. You can probably find a small kit that does one size but for $40, you can have a selection of common SAE sizes. Metric kits are around the same price.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BTJ13NC4/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[68400BIRD]

Drill it out one size bigger and nut and bolt it. No cost except for the larger diameter nut and bolt.

 

[xtremek]

Wish you had pinged me before you drilled out the manifolds. GM studs are super thin compared to Ford. Next time, heat the manifold ear red hot, throw the impact on the nut. 80% of the time, they back out, the other 20% they break off about an inch from the manifold. Then you do the same heat thing, and put a smaller nut on the stub, and push up while running the impact backwards. Works about 90% of the time. Leaves you about 2% of having to drill the stud out. If you're good with a torch, you can blow the busted stud out, leaving the threads intact. Got to get the stud hot, but not the manifold. I'm about a 50-50 on that. Worked with a kid who could do it every time.

 

[mwbailey]

Well, I was pretty sure I had sorta responded to a couple of comments but maybe I didn't "Post reply"! I actually did try heat on the first manifold, but I was using a propane tank with nozzle. Pretty sure I didn't get it hot enough. If the nut and bolt approach doesn't look OK, I might try the helicoil. In the response that didn't get posted, I commented that I had better double check the casting/part number on these pieces before I did a lot more work. Turns out, they are the right numbers right down to the "X" and "W"!



Ordered some "spray graphite" after seeing a couple of recommendations on the Internet. Will need to do some sandblasting or wire-brushing before spraying to get that "silver" color off. It doesn't quite show up, but even the heat riser is in place and operational. Sure hope this is one of those fortunate times for using old parts!

On the other hand, I'm missing the "clamp" that holds the distributor in place. I went online to purchase one and when I saw what it looked like I realized that I had seen one in my collection of valuable parts and just didn't know what it was. So far I've only spent a couple of hours looking for it but found two OEM front fender antennas and a few pieces of chrome I'm not sure I knew I had. One problem, however: I have a hole in the rear fender for a retractable antenna. Fortunately, I have a power antenna; unfortunately, I don't know if it works (and I'm chicken to test it).

 

[mwbailey]

Sandblasting helped get rid of the silver paint and spraying with graphite gave a better look; blasted on left:

The online instructions suggested "burnishing" the graphite by rubbing with a cloth. I might have preferred that more graphite remained on manifolds, but I'm good with results at this point. Might take a while to find out, but it will be interesting to see if they change color when heated up!

 

[xtremek]

How long does the graphite last?

 

[mwbailey]

Took a while. Couldn't find exhaust manifold bolts. Decided it might be better to use new ones anyway looking at my "original" '67 442 and all the rust and corrosion in the area of the manifolds!!

Got the bolts yesterday and started to work on installation this afternoon. Engine was mounted on test stand (yet unfinished stand) and passenger side manifold interfered with stand.


Pulled out "cherry picker" and found casters removed from extensions. Note loose caster sitting on rear of picker!

Spent much of the afternoon reinstalling the two casters -- really difficult to get my hand down far enough into square tubing to install washer and nut without dropping them.

Pushed picker up to stand and found out why the casters had been removed!


Took casters back off and had some supper!



That worked better and allowed installation of manifolds. Their dark gray tends to make the bronze engine really look nice. Wonder if it will run. . . ?

A sharp eye will note that I haven't decided what order for bolt, flat washer, lock bracket. . . . I think bolt, lock bracket, washer, manifold is probably correct but have asked Classic Olds forum to make sure. Interesting that shop manual calls for only 25 ft-lb torque but in forum discussion it appears that the lock bracket is what keeps bolt from backing out! Interesting, too, that no gasket was used when manufactured. Think I'll include a gasket since it came with the gasket kit, and I don't know how flat these manifolds and engine surfaces are. They looked pretty good with straight edge, but who knows.

The spray graphite does tend to rub off fairly easily so I'm not sure how long it will last. Seems I saw suggestions to check for need to respray in places a couple of years down the road. I doubt this engine will see many miles of highway use, but I don't think touch up would be too tough in any case.

Distributor is next step after I get washers in right place and bolts torqued.

 

[mwbailey]

Washers positioned and bolts tightened on exhaust manifolds. On to distributor and manual steering box.

Tried to clean up the distributor shaft a bit -- first Dremel tool with abrasive pad, then with small wire brush but not much progress. Got out 3/8" drill and wire brush which seemed to clean things up nicely. Sprayed a light coat of "crystal clear" on distributor shaft. Before:



Sent steering box through sand blast cabinet. Seemed to work pretty well. Followed with pre-paint cleanup, then primer, then coat of cast grey. Funny, primer and cast metal were almost the same color! Before:




After:


Will probably try to clean up steering box shaft a little. Gotta find out if distributor uses O-ring or washer before installing on engine.

 

[mwbailey]

Who'd "athunk" that a 1976 Ford F-100 pickup with 300 ci six would have two different starters -- one for manual and one for automatic?! Not me and apparently not the parts place!

Got ready to load up trimmings from out of control Loropetalum bush pruning and couldn't get the pickup to start. Figured it was the battery, so picked up a mid-priced battery at local parts shop. Found out the old battery was 2013 date, so probably needed a new one for reliability anyway. Nope, that's not it. Jumped new battery to starter. Just sparks.

The Son suggested that replacing starter was easy, given that he had done that on his 1978 CJ-7. Not hard to do, but would have been nicer on two post lift, but somebody's Pop Smurf 442 is in the way. Pulled out the cardboard which helped a little against the brand new gravel drive.

Took starter to get tested at parts place and judgement was that it was bad. Brought new one back to "the ranch" to spend maybe 30 minutes trying to get it back onto engine. Access is not bad from underneath, but picking that heavy starter up and down got pretty old. Finally let The Son give a shot at it and the conclusion was, "It doesn't fit."

Back to parts place to compare with old starter; they still had my "core". Yep, the "nose" on the new one was 1/2 to 3/4" longer. NOW they found that there IS a different part number for manual versus automatic IF you look at 1975 model year. Don't quite understand that since this engine was used for DECADES! Anyway, proper starter for manual transmission would be in the next morning. Only, when I stopped by the next morning; it wasn't. Had to wait until the evening of the next day, which was yesterday.

Got up this am with a cool morning and slipped the PROPER starter right in. Engine cranked up immediately, put tools away, pulled cardboard out, moved the truck, found the missing 9/16" socket, loaded up the brush and a couple of dead pines that had fallen BEFORE Idalia passed by, made the round trip to the dump -- and still haven't worked up a good sweat. The ole truck even seemed to drive better with a new starter



I told The Son that I was going to find a car show and enter the truck in "Best Starter" classification! What do you think?

 

[mwbailey]

Well, here's a little work that is actually. . . nearly . . . on the garage/workshop. It's about time to get The Wife's vegetable garden started but the electric fence suffered a bit of damage over the winter. Part of the damage was due to wild animals running through the wires; installed new wire a couple of weeks ago. The other part of the damage came from operator error while driving Old Paint. I had planned to do a little "plowing" in the area to then sow some winter rye as a "cover crop". Problem was, the operator forgot there was an underground wire from the workshop to the garden. Soon, the wire was no longer underground!

Besides, The Wife had complained about plugging the electric wire charger into the outlet instead of just flipping a switch off when harvesting the crops. What a great project as the weather warms a bit!?

I've known for quite a while that 12 gauge wire is a lot stiffer than 14, but 12 is what I had! Nevertheless, I got a new switch/outlet wired up and installed:


The run this is connected to is GFI, so even under the lean-to I am glad to have the protection.

In hopes of keeping the wire to the charger above ground yet somewhat out of sight, I ran the wire up the wall, across a beam, and along the interior side of the eve.

Then across to a 10-foot 4X4 post at the corner of the garden. And, finally, into the box containing the charger.


Everything seemed to be working when I tested -- If I can just remember to stay seated on Ole Paint when I drive it around. I'm not interested in being decapitated!!

 

[xtremek]

Did you grab the wire to test if it was working properly?

 

[mwbailey]

Only you would ask, xtremek!! Actually, I have this 4-foot fluorescent light bulb with a couple of feet of wire attached at one end. I stripped a couple of inches of insulation from the "free end" and buried them in the ground. Then I touch the two terminals on the other end to the electric fence wire. The light will give a flash if everything is working. Turns out, this go-around I got a bit of a jolt even with this test method. It then occurred to me that the fluorescent tube was covered with dust, and gunk, and dirt. I wonder if this outer coating might have conducted a little electricity. . . . In any case, I know it's working properly!

 

[xtremek]

When I was a kid, my Dad tricked me into laying a green blade of grass on the electric fence. Yeah, green grass is a good conductor.

 

[Sifan]

Would have church youth group out to the farm for annual weenie roast/bonfire, hay ride.
Dad would group everyone up, tell where hot wire was, it is on, it will shock you, it will hurt! Don't touch it!!
Never failed, before night was over, someone would have to test it

Best one, two guys dared the snob gal of the group to touch it, she did and peed her pants

Worst, my Uncle had a high tolerance to pain, would grab the wire and cross it. Following his lead, thinking the wire was off and get nailed

 

[xtremek]

Had a small steer lick it once. You could see the ark about 50 yards away. Poor guy ran the opposite direction and tried to jump the fence, but failed. Couldn't get his hind quarters over the fence. Every pulse sent a shock to his wee-wee. After about the 5th shock he pulled the fence down and ran off into the distance. Still makes me squeze my legs together thinking about it.

 

[mwbailey]

Hmm, not sure all of this is "Garage Gallery" stuff, but it's pretty funny. My dad used a DRY straw of grass or weed, xtremek. He would lick the end he put on the wire -- not sure why -- then slide the straw toward the wire until he felt a jolt. I'm not sure if the method was really all that effective because he'd always end up saying, "Hot dang!!! . . . It's working," as he jerked his hand back. He tried to encourage me to urinate on the wire, but I was too smart for him

I spent a decade or so teaching high school -- mostly science, math, and engineering. One of the science demonstrations included a Van de Graaf generator. Students, especially those with long hair, really liked to put a hand on the generator and have their hair stand out straight from their head. They would sit/stand on an insulated stool while touching the generator. Even though I would warn them not to touch anything that would ground them, someone would invariably touch the faucet at the lab sink while touching the generator. Our starting quarterback enjoyed it so much, he encouraged several classmates to lineup and hold hands with the one at the end of the line touching the generator while he would intermittently touch the faucet at the other end of the line. The whole line of students would jump. Then he would entice a few more to do it. Of course, the quarterback got shocked every time. Yeah. right; made me wonder about the IQ of football quarterbacks. . .