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Bandsaw Lumber Mill Kit????

Clik

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Anyone have any input on a bandsaw lumber mill kit?

I'm thinking that I could build alot of board and batten garage space from trees on my farm.

I was also thinking that I could build my own track.

I'm not sure if anyone sells just a kit or just the head unit.

I'm intrigued by the homebuilt tire jobs on youtube but I've got so many projects now.
 
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I have been thinking of this as well. But I have decided on a chainsaw mill. I was looking at the Alaskan version, then I found this http://www.procutportablesawmills.com/index.html

Just use a regular chainsaw and your good to go. 119 bucks for the plans, and Im sure you could scrounge around and find the metal. But for 1,100 bucks, it seems you cant beat it. Im not sure though, just my thoughts.

Chris
 
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We use to run a small reclaim and milling operation. Homebuilt horizontal track saw, 5 then 10hp side shaft motor, small trailer tires for wheels built on a I beam ladder frame as a track. I forget the blade length, but it was pretty small compared to most.

My best advice I can give you is try to narrow down what size and type stock you will be going after. We didn't have access to the large trees so a large setup wasn't really necessary. You don't want it bigger than it needs to be, especially if you plan on moving it. A small rigid setup is far better than a large flimsy setup.

The initial cut is just part of the milling process. It sounds like you are just making rough structures with the processed lumber, even then if not dried properly it will warp on you. :beer:
 

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I have no experience with kits but my dad has the HF bandsaw mill and he loves it. I think he paid under $2000 shipped and has had no problems with it. Factor in your time along with steel, an engine, and misc parts and I'd think you'd have nearly that much in a homebuilt one.
 

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Are you young, physically fit, weekends free, good health insurance and always had a secret desire to be a lumberjack? Several friends of the same who will work for beer? Then go for it.

I know of one mill sitting and rusting because the owner was none of the above. After a few sessions, he said, "That's the hardest, most expensive way to get junk building materials. I coulda' taken a nights-and-weekends job as a greeter at WallyWorld and ended up with more and better lumber for less money."

His other comment, "Understand the rough lumber has to be air-dried a couple of years. When you pull it out of the stack, 6" of each end will be split and have to be cut off. A good percentage of it will be warped. Then, nobody told me rough lumber won't hold paint."

Your opinions and results may vary.

I'll ask if his mill is for sale.

jack vines
 
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Are you young, physically fit, weekends free, good health insurance and always had a secret desire to be a lumberjack? Several friends of the same who will work for beer? Then go for it.

I know of one mill sitting and rusting because the owner was none of the above. After a few sessions, he said, "That's the hardest, most expensive way to get junk building materials. I coulda' taken a nights-and-weekends job as a greeter at WallyWorld and ended up with more and better lumber for less money."

His other comment, "Understand the rough lumber has to be air-dried a couple of years. When you pull it out of the stack, 6" of each end will be split and have to be cut off. A good percentage of it will be warped. Then, nobody told me rough lumber won't hold paint."

Your opinions and results may vary.

I'll ask if his mill is for sale.

jack vines

It all depends on your expectations. If you're expecting to make your own kiln dried, S4S dimensional lumber you'll be disappointed. But if you're looking for rough material for board-and-batten siding, fencing, and rustic framing then it's relatively easy to make decent stuff. I've got a stack of pine and beech logs that I'm planning to saw into slabs for roof decking and siding on my primitive cabin where 'store bought' materials would look out of place. With a mill you can make lumber that is more than up to this task.

You're right about it being hard work but I can use the exercise. Now where'd I leave my red flannel shirt and my peavey :).
 

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There are lots of ways to waste time and I have done most of them, but even I knew better than to build my own sawmill. It's a triple time waster and here's how:

1) Wasting time building the sawmill.

2) Wasting time sawing with an inferior and under-powered machine, as most all home-brew machines and small commercially made machines are.

3) Wasting time making a commodity product. You might as well build a power plant and mine your own coal to keep the lights on.

Some time ago, I looked at the possibility of starting a hardwood sawmill to supply raw materials for a potential hardwood products company. After much study, I came to the conclusion that unless I was willing to supply custom lumber to the competition, running the mill one or two days a week to support my proposed operation didn't make sense, because rough lumber is a commodity product.

The figures revolved around a used 100HP electric band mill which required only a cutoff man and a stacker to run, plus the sawyer. Even then, it was a time sink. I could make more $ per hour with a Whitney surfacer and a cargo container kiln than with the sawmill.
 

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We've got a woodmizer at work, occasionally customers want their own logs turned into flooring (we have a kiln too), even with the right tools its a lot of work, and not cost effective at all.
 

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Ditto the above statements on Cost/Profit ratio for a saw mill operation. However there is some satisfaction in milling your own lumber. Small amounts of lumber for a wood working hobby is enjoyable. On the subject of Bandsaws and homemade rigs. Check out Matthias Wandel and his home made bansaw on youtube

His Website http://woodgears.ca/ is very interesting
 

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It's definitely not a good choice as a get rich quick scheme. Dad bought his after he retired because he'd always wanted one. He's cut up quite a few logs and I don't think he's done a thing with the lumber yet. I'm not even sure he plans to, some of the lumber may even be making its way into the woodstove. Think of it more as therapy.

My interest is a bit more romantic. I could probably find rough sawn lumber for my cabin cheap but there's something about building it out of material that was grown on site and cut by me that appeals for some reason.

And I think both of us are motivated by the fact that, aside from the back-breaking labor, it's a fun machine to run. It is a giant gasoline-powered bandsaw on wheels, after all.

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My interest is a bit more romantic. I could probably find rough sawn lumber for my cabin cheap but there's something about building it out of material that was grown on site and cut by me that appeals for some reason.

I understand that completely!!!!! Whenever you have people over, you can start saying, well that came from down there, and those pieces came from that stump. :bounce:
 

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I remember the one my uncles built from a VW beatle. What I remember the most was the sweating and swearing, but we built 3 cabins, and 4 sheds and 2 bridges from the free lumber cut on our own land.

If you have the trees and a need for green rough cut lumber I say go for it.
 

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I always dreamed of owning a sawmill but as the others have said it is hard going and at my age it is getting too late in the game.

The chainsaw mill is back breaking and loud; sure sometimes that is the only way to get a tree in a remote location but your back will not like it.

For every inch in thickness it takes one year to dry and then you must protect the wood from everything you can think of. It defiantly is a young man's game.
 

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Neighbour regularly gets in a local with a trailerable mill (an ancient, once top of the line Wood-Mizer with hydraulics) to do the lumber he has felled that the regular sawmills won't touch because their diameter is too small.

I was talking to him about the upmarket Wood-Mizer and Norwood mills and the cheap/basic Woodland Mills models. His conclusion is that if you have your own serious wood lot, and lots of time, they are worth having. He reckons that over the past 10 years, he's paid a lot more to others to bring their mill to him, than it would have cost him to buy and maintain a similar mill for the same period, with around $2000 going to the portable mill owner in the past year alone.
 

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My grandfather bought the Frick mill brandy new 58 years ago, we've cut a LOT of wood since. That being said, theres quite a few very incorrect debbie-downers in this thread. Milling lumber isnt the business it used to be, but depending on the area and type of person you are, its still a very good business to be in and one Ill likely be back in one day. My grandfather made a fortune selling to every Tom/****/Harry who wanted to build an addition themself locally, today it survives more bc local mills have grown scarce, high end custom work done by picky custom builders/true craftsmen, local contractors, and bc its in a very wooded location - contractors often trade logs that were removed for home building or otherwise free + cash for lumber. Bc of the industry shrinking the last few decades, equipment is also relatively cheap, big old planers are slow and need work but are nearly free, often youre competing against only the scrappers. Yes, rough cut lumber doesnt bring much, but a cheap old planer, a properly built solar kiln, and a few weeks (not months/years as others in this thread believe) will produce some dam fine lumber cheap. That being said, theres a ton of learning and experience necessary to do any of that....

As for the bandsaw mills, we know folks locally who have them and often refer customers to them for oddball size/shaped logs simply due to wood recovery, you waste less with a bandmill and small stuff isnt worth our time. Personally, Id never build one as old Woodmizers are dirt cheap bc many werent anything to brag about new. The low end Woodmizer for instance was only ~$1500 ten years ago, today I see theyre up to ~$4k but still making the same old design. I'd suggest finding someone who hasnt kept up with pricing and buy their old one for what they paid or less.

Just as a caution, cutting wood is one of the most labor intense and dangerous jobs you will ever come across as many here have said. My Grandfather often said that he paid $3 to workman's comp and insurance for every $1 he paid the 30-odd guys working for him years ago, today its run with family muscle alone bc its unaffordable otherwise. Even with a heavy duty frontend loader with forks for moving logs and a good ergonomic setup with the mill otherwise, hucking boards from the carriage into the planer, or even just manually stacking it for a few hours will wear your *** out like nothing else. Theres also a lot of danger in mills, trees have rocks/nails/other steel that they grew around and will become missiles when cut into, machinery breaks, and heavy logs do roll without provocation at times. I even remember seeing the big circular blade on the Frick get straightened and launched off its arbor once bc of a railroad spike we cut into....scarey ****.
 
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I recently built an outhouse sized shed for my compressor and by the time I was done I probably had a couple hundred bucks in it. Then wind just tore the metal covered and framed door off. We have 130 acres here in the Maryland mountains. Most of it is pasture but there's still more wood than I could ever cut by myself. I have a big tractor with loader. I already heat primarily with wood, so slab wood would be a benefit. I'm not concerned with green wood or rough. It wood be used for board and batten farm buildings and sheds. I guess I'll keep my eyes open for something used. Anything to stay away from?
 
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Anything to stay away from?

Admittedly I havent run a bandmill, ours is circular, but bandmills are pretty simple devices. Id just check condition of the engine, tires on the saw, tires on the trailer chassis, hydraulics if equipped, and look closely at any welded repair. Id also be considerate of how many spare blades it has and their current condition, theyre expensive to buy and to have sharpened, tho expensive is relative to the audience of course. If a log sat on it, assume one has been dropped on it at one time or another. Personally the one thing Id stay away from is anything homebuilt. Add-ons to a commercial machine OTOH are another story entirely and many homebrew self-loaders are nicely done.

Since you said you have a big tractor with a loader, before buying/building a mill you should be very cognizant of its lifting ability. My family has a lot of farm tractors (some with loaders), several dozers, a frontend loader with forks, excavator, and a ton of other equipment, and IME farm tractors are ok for skidding logs if youre dam careful (logs snag and tractors rear up/tip quick), but be aware they usually dont have much for a loader/lifting ability hence why we use an articulating frontend loader with forks, not an ag tractor. Make sure that whatever mill you buy matches what wood you have available to cut and also what you can load. A mill doesnt do any good if you cant get logs into it.
 
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