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Battery Chargers and Screw Heads

cannuck

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I have several Noco battery chargers, mostly bought because they seem to work very well and they are made in USA. Problem is: I use these things in cold weather - sometimes to charge, but usually to maintain charge for cold starts. Now, by cold around here I mean COLD - it was -40 (CorF, same thing) last week so I put some heat on the engine of wife's car and to maintain charge (battery in interior - Q7 TDI) connected a Noco Genius G1100. EVERY battery charger seems to have wires too stiff at those temps, but I find that my Noco stuff (usually hard mounted and permanently wired in) was cracking the insulation on portable use chargers at a mere -25C. Brushed against the power cord in the morning and all I heard was a quick, loud crack and there it was, laying on the ground blown right off. Just started to think what would have happened if that was under a car cover when insulation failed and burned the car - parked right against the house. I called Noco to order a new power cable, expecting that after several years they would have spec'd out a far better quality AC cable - only to have the snot-nosed idiot on the "customer support" line tell me I should only use the charger indoors or I should provide heat to the charger, since it was only rated down to -4F (= -20C). I guess it will be back to Schumacher...IF they are any better.

So, the far more interesting development was I decided to just buy a two conductor 14Ga extension cord meant for outdoor (Christmas) lighting, often rated down to -50. All I had to do was open the case and find out how the power cable was terminated and my problems would be over. Yeah....IF I had a triangular tipped screw driver. No, not three wings, a solid triangle. Daughter tells me that most of her kids' toys use this fastener head but I have never noticed one before. Tried to buy one locally, but of the dozens of stores I called, only two people had ever heard of this configuration and one had a personal set but nothing available through them. Ordered a set of 1/4" hex bits (5 sizes) from an Amazon seller, so won't fix the charger for a week or so.

There are a lot of genuine tool and fastener fanatics here (uh....guilty as charged) so thought I would share this link to a wide range of screw head configurations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives
I did not realize, for instance, there are actually a mess of "torx" like configurations. Plus a few other surprises. Enjoy the read.
I think this is the set I ordered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives

Oh: to add to the Noco stuff: I stuck a temporary plug on the end of the broken cord, then tried to hook the DC clamps onto the boosting terminals under the hood, and the positive clamp just fell off. The ring terminal on the end of the wire was screwed into a nut soldered or brazed onto the clamp, and that weld joint had failed. Great QA/QC Noco. No wonder China has taken all of our markets and jobs.
 
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Just get some rubber cord and cables to fix what you have. Will work fine in any temperature
 

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I'm assuming you're talking about triangle shaped screw heads that have a female triangle indent in the head of the screw. Those can often be turned with a hex/allen wrench or even a slotted screwdriver if the screw isn't too tight and you have a screwdriver tip that will fit snugly inside the triangle shaped recess in the screw head.

If you want an actual triangle bit, and you happen to have something like a cheap set of diamond files or a Dremel tool, you can make one. Go through your insert or power bits and find a torx (or hex) bit that has points which closely match your triangular screw head. Use Torx as your donor bit if possible, because there will be less metal you have to remove to make the triangle shape.

Clamp the bit in some sort of a fixture/vise/etc and file or grind every other bit point down until you have a perfect triangle instead of the original 6 pointed torx or hex shape.

I made all of mine, one at a time as I needed them. I have 6-7 different sizes now, and they all did the job they needed to do. As long as you keep the bit cool enough to hold in your hand throughout the shaping process, your new DIY bit will retain the original factory heat treatment and tip strength.
 
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Thanks for the suggestions. I have milling machines, lathes, drill presses, grinders, positioning tools, etc. but I will only modify or make a tool under duress (and I do make a lot of them). I also have several chargers and maintainers, so no pressure to rush things. After I get the NV5600 our of my Ram 3500 I will head into town and try to find appropriately temp reated two conductor 14 ga. - it needs to fit into the existing strain relief (that I will extend externally with self-fusing rubber tape).
 

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I have several Noco battery chargers, mostly bought because they seem to work very well and they are made in USA. Problem is: I use these things in cold weather - sometimes to charge, but usually to maintain charge for cold starts. Now, by cold around here I mean COLD - it was -40 (CorF, same thing) last week so I put some heat on the engine of wife's car and to maintain charge (battery in interior - Q7 TDI) connected a Noco Genius G1100. EVERY battery charger seems to have wires too stiff at those temps, but I find that my Noco stuff (usually hard mounted and permanently wired in) was cracking the insulation on portable use chargers at a mere -25C. Brushed against the power cord in the morning and all I heard was a quick, loud crack and there it was, laying on the ground blown right off. Just started to think what would have happened if that was under a car cover when insulation failed and burned the car - parked right against the house. I called Noco to order a new power cable, expecting that after several years they would have spec'd out a far better quality AC cable - only to have the snot-nosed idiot on the "customer support" line tell me I should only use the charger indoors or I should provide heat to the charger, since it was only rated down to -4F (= -20C). I guess it will be back to Schumacher...IF they are any better.

So, the far more interesting development was I decided to just buy a two conductor 14Ga extension cord meant for outdoor (Christmas) lighting, often rated down to -50. All I had to do was open the case and find out how the power cable was terminated and my problems would be over. Yeah....IF I had a triangular tipped screw driver. No, not three wings, a solid triangle. Daughter tells me that most of her kids' toys use this fastener head but I have never noticed one before. Tried to buy one locally, but of the dozens of stores I called, only two people had ever heard of this configuration and one had a personal set but nothing available through them. Ordered a set of 1/4" hex bits (5 sizes) from an Amazon seller, so won't fix the charger for a week or so.

There are a lot of genuine tool and fastener fanatics here (uh....guilty as charged) so thought I would share this link to a wide range of screw head configurations. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives
I did not realize, for instance, there are actually a mess of "torx" like configurations. Plus a few other surprises. Enjoy the read.
I think this is the set I ordered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screw_drives

Oh: to add to the Noco stuff: I stuck a temporary plug on the end of the broken cord, then tried to hook the DC clamps onto the boosting terminals under the hood, and the positive clamp just fell off. The ring terminal on the end of the wire was screwed into a nut soldered or brazed onto the clamp, and that weld joint had failed. Great QA/QC Noco. No wonder China has taken all of our markets and jobs.
Odd. I have 2 Noco chargers. I've used them in -20* temps without any problems aside from the cords getting stiff.

I hate dealing with extension cords then too. It's like trying to unroll or roll some 6 gauge romex.
Even the blue "arctic" cords!
 
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Just get some rubber cord and cables to fix what you have. Will work fine in any temperature
SJOOW. If you shop around you can find it in 18AWG.

The ultimate cold weather wire is high strand count, silicon insulated wire. This what the use for RC cars and airplanes. Extremely flexible (some times called "wet noodle" wire for obvious reasons). Typically sold as single strand, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Not cheap !
 

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If you want to look into something better designed for cold weather, I have one of these and it works great. Special power and charging cable stays quite flexible in the cold.
 
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SJOOW. If you shop around you can find it in 18AWG.

The ultimate cold weather wire is high strand count, silicon insulated wire. This what the use for RC cars and airplanes. Extremely flexible (some times called "wet noodle" wire for obvious reasons). Typically sold as single strand, but desperate times call for desperate measures. Not cheap !
Need to use what looks like 2 strand lighting cord to fit the strain relief in the case.
 
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If you want to look into something better designed for cold weather, I have one of these and it works great. Special power and charging cable stays quite flexible in the cold.
That is EXACTLY what I need for my 12V batteries! Thanks for that link. Noticed on their website their other chargers have exactly the same temperature limits as do Noco, so there is something common that limits operation for most chargers.
 

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I use a bunch of their chargers (mostly the older MUS3300) and haven't had any critical failures in the cold, even had one permanently installed in my old truck and ran the power cord out beside the block heater plug.

The cord on that one is noticeably more flexible in the cold, but they don't seem to make battery clamps to match unfortunately. I haven't had any failure of their normal ones, but typically just install the ring terminal adapters to the battery, and just leave the plug in a convenient place.
 
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