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ranger_dood

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I picked up the Makita 12v Driver/Impact kit last weekend at home depot. Model is LCT209W

It was only $107 at my local store; I think they're blowing them out. I haven't tried any lugs yet, but I've been using the impact in a room remodel. It drives 3" drywall screws easily, and I also ran some 3" structural lag bolts in with it, and it ate them up.
 
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The thing is, it will be used primarily for vehicular work. Lugnut removal and large bolt removal. Usually rusted and hard to remove, so it needs to have strength.
 

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Then the craftsman may not be for you. It'll handle freshly torqued bolts but will struggle with large rusted ones. Step up to $300 and the torque output will jump up quite a bit. You'll be happier in the long run.
 

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Lithium battery can handle my dodge cummins tire rotations and a ton of suspension work like ball joints etc with a single charge. Never let me down!
 

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The thing is, it will be used primarily for vehicular work. Lugnut removal and large bolt removal. Usually rusted and hard to remove, so it needs to have strength.

I would say that the cheap Makita set probably isn't for you, then... While I haven't tried the impact for vehicular work, I don't think it would do that great of a job.

If I have time tomorrow, I'll try running a lug off after work.

Home Depot is also swapping out the 18v Makita impact for something new... My local store only has the display model left, and they marked it down to $168. However, I had them look all over, and they couldn't find the case, charger, and second battery for it :(
 
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I would say that the cheap Makita set probably isn't for you, then... While I haven't tried the impact for vehicular work, I don't think it would do that great of a job.

If I have time tomorrow, I'll try running a lug off after work.

I CAN take off properly torqued VW lug bolts, but I don't. It really does not have the power for it. If you are using it all the time, I would pick up the Snap-on big boy. A few guys around the shop have them, and they love em. I am too cheap to buy one. My air gun does just fine. They are cool, but DAMN they are pricey
 

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12v is not going to work for you. You will want the 18v with load or 19v or 20v without a load like the craftsman 19v and dewalt 20v.
 
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Then the craftsman may not be for you. It'll handle freshly torqued bolts but will struggle with large rusted ones. Step up to $300 and the torque output will jump up quite a bit. You'll be happier in the long run.

12v is not going to work for you. You will want the 18v with load or 19v or 20v without a load like the craftsman 19v and dewalt 20v.

I CAN take off properly torqued VW lug bolts, but I don't. It really does not have the power for it. If you are using it all the time, I would pick up the Snap-on big boy. A few guys around the shop have them, and they love em. I am too cheap to buy one. My air gun does just fine. They are cool, but DAMN they are pricey


So I'm getting mixed replies?

Am I going to need more power than the 19v craftsman or no?
Gsteg says it won't be enough?
Shoturtle says 19v will be fine?
What do you mean with load? Without load?

And humble, how much is the snap on and how much more tq does it have over the craftsman?

Thanks, Dar
 

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The craftsman 19 is really a 18v just like the dewalt 20v. They will have the power to break loose the lugs. And will do the job you have for it. All the 19v and 20v is just marketing. When under load they are 18v systems. Like mikita, Bosch, Milwaukee and the other 18v out there.

A 12v or 14v will not be able to do what you want. They do not have the power. Again a 14v is a 12v under load, marketing again.
 

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So I'm getting mixed replies?

Am I going to need more power than the 19v craftsman or no?
Gsteg says it won't be enough?
Shoturtle says 19v will be fine?
What do you mean with load? Without load?

And humble, how much is the snap on and how much more tq does it have over the craftsman?

Thanks, Dar

Honestly if you will not be needing this on the go away from your house, I would just get an electric version. You will never need to worry about it not being charged or bad batteries etc...
 

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@Dar, I am not 100% sure, but I would guess +$600. I think that bcradio might be on to something with the plug in style.

I will ask the snap-on guy today about price and specs!
 

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The snap on CT7850 is $660. It is overkill if youre going to use it mostly for lug nuts.

Now when I said the craftsman may not be powerful enough, Im referring headroom. Yes it can break lug nuts but its iffy on larger rusted fasteners. It may break them loose but you might also have to let it hammer for quite some time. The craftsman is simply not made/targeted for heavy duty use.
 

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The snap on CT7850 is $660. It is overkill if youre going to use it mostly for lug nuts.

Now when I said the craftsman may not be powerful enough, Im referring headroom. Yes it can break lug nuts but its iffy on larger rusted fasteners. It may break them loose but you might also have to let it hammer for quite some time. The craftsman is simply not made/targeted for heavy duty use.

I wonder the longevity of the CM using it to break lugs loose. I am slightly bias though, I have NEVER owned a CM power tool that I thought was worth a damn.
 

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GUUUYYYSSSS!!!!

Have visited that test page and the Bosch 18Volt Impacter cost as a kit ~450$ ?!
WOOOOW!!!

We pay here around 1000$...

WTF!!!
 

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I recently bought the Craftsman 19v impact and was a bit disappointed at doing automotive stuff with. It will work on lightly tightened bolts but will struggle with tight lug bolts on anything over 75 ft/lbs. HOWEVER, I do like the price point and the ergonomics of it. It felt better and lighter than the Dewalt cordless impact they had right next to it on display.

If you tighten with this impact, you can loosen it easily too but I'm one of those paranoid guys that likes to crank on the lug bolts when I tighten them with a hand lug wrench so YMMV.
 

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The Snap On 14.4V CT4410A Will do 110 ft lb+ lug nuts all day

From rusted out exhaust bolts to 18mm lower control arm bolts and 22mm Balancer bolts..
I use the 3/8" version and have had no trouble with removing the prior mentioned items on more than one occasion.

I also have the 1/2" 18v CT6850 I rarely ever use it because the 14.4V which stays in a travel box performed every task I required it for so far..
 
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I recently bought the Craftsman 19v impact and was a bit disappointed at doing automotive stuff with. It will work on lightly tightened bolts but will struggle with tight lug bolts on anything over 75 ft/lbs.
My experience with the C3 1/2 Dr is it easily removes lug nuts torqued to 80 lb-ft.
 

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I vote for electric, or buying a compressor that will not only allow you to run a good impact, but a whole slew of other tools that a gearhead needs, too.

Why be married to a battery technology that you know will become outdated, and to batteries that you know have a pretty limited working life.
 

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ill also backup the ct4410a for lug nuts, but the new ir w7150 is gonna be about $450 and will have 1,100 ft lbs. coming in a couple weeks
 

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I've had good luck with my DeWalt 18v impact, although its physical size is larger than my air powered IR. Its not a big deal on lug nuts, but the size can pose an issue.
 
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I may end up going with the plug in type. 350 ft lb tq for 140 is what I recall. Are there any problems with the plug in impacts?
 

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I have a 36v Dewalt and it kicks some ***. Heavy though. 325 lb/ft of Torque. Loud as hell when trying to break something loose. Great Tool to have around.
 

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I recently bought the Craftsman 19v impact and was a bit disappointed at doing automotive stuff with. It will work on lightly tightened bolts but will struggle with tight lug bolts on anything over 75 ft/lbs. HOWEVER, I do like the price point and the ergonomics of it. It felt better and lighter than the Dewalt cordless impact they had right next to it on display.

If you tighten with this impact, you can loosen it easily too but I'm one of those paranoid guys that likes to crank on the lug bolts when I tighten them with a hand lug wrench so YMMV.

I have had no trouble even taking off the front axle nuts which probably were are torqued at least 200 ft-lb at the factory twelve years ago! I obviously do not use any extension or adapters but just a deep impact socket. Battery was charged the day before.
 
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Dar

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Anybody have an electric plug in impact to recommend?
 

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I just recently picked up a dewalt dw292k impact off ebay for a good price. Just used it over the weekend to remove the wheels to do a brake job. Very nice impact only thing I didnt like was the detent pin anvil, I found it was kinda difficult to put a socket on, I had to press in the pin anvil with my finger to slide the socket on and when removing, my sockets have a hole in them, so I had to used a small pick to press in the pin to get them off.

You might have better luck with the DW293 impact as it uses a hog ring anvil as does my ingersoll rand air impact.

Anybody notice this with the DW292K?
 

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I just recently picked up a dewalt dw292k impact off ebay for a good price. Just used it over the weekend to remove the wheels to do a brake job. Very nice impact only thing I didnt like was the detent pin anvil, I found it was kinda difficult to put a socket on, I had to press in the pin anvil with my finger to slide the socket on and when removing, my sockets have a hole in them, so I had to used a small pick to press in the pin to get them off.

You might have better luck with the DW293 impact as it uses a hog ring anvil as does my ingersoll rand air impact.

Anybody notice this with the DW292K?

Answer to my own question:

The square business end of an impact wrench is called the anvil. Anvils come not only in different sizes (1/4", 3/8", ½", ¾") but in different designs.

Ball detent anvils use small spring-loaded balls to put pressure on sockets and hold them on the anvil. Pin detent anvils have spring-loaded pins that engage holes in the sides of sockets.

Hog ring anvils use spring-steel rings in a groove at the tip of the anvil to apply pressure and hold sockets in place. Combination anvils have both hog ring and pin detents for positive socket retention.

Ball detent and hog ring anvils allow installation and removal of sockets with a sharp push or tug. Pin detent anvils must be manually disengaged with a small screwdriver or pin.

Pin detent anvils are preferred and often required when working above the ground, where a socket could fall off and strike someone below.

Pin detent and ball detent anvils may be slightly less durable than hog ring anvils because the holes drilled for their pin or ball mechanisms inevitably weaken the anvil over extended use.
 

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I have had no trouble even taking off the front axle nuts which probably were are torqued at least 200 ft-lb at the factory twelve years ago! I obviously do not use any extension or adapters but just a deep impact socket. Battery was charged the day before.

I have a hard time believing it can take off 200 ft/lb of anything. I'm not saying you weren't able to take off your axle nut but question of it was really torqued to 200 ft/lbs.

You have the 19v C3 model, right?

Gonna get out my torque wrench to do an objective test and see where the actual limitation of this impact really is.

All I know right now is that I can put my body weight(175 lbs) on the lug wrench when tightening my wheel lugs and the C3 can't loosen them
 

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2000 Maxima; original axle nuts with 12 years of New England rust! The factory service manual has listed them at about 180 ft-lb.

Frankly, I was shocked and so was my mechanic! He was smirking when I took out my C3 and told him I was going to try to take it off. We both were impressed when the nut came off. I was able to take both sides off on two different weekends. One side came out little easier than the other. It needed to be banged for few seconds but it removed them.

It is 19V C3 NiCd and I used HF 32mm impact. If you are expecting it to take off 175 ft-lb on the first bang, then you will be disappointed. Few multi-second bangs, it should be able to take off 175 ft-lb lugs nuts. What you could do is to take a sharpie and mark the nut or the socket. Then you could see how the nut moves thousandths of an inch on repeated impacts.
 

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The Craftsman can remove 200 ft lbs, but in my experience, it takes quite a while with repeated hammering. By the time I remove two or three nuts of those size, the battery has gone from "green" to "orange". This is with the full size lithium ion batteries. It's a nice gun for the money if you get the Nicad version. However with the price of the gun and lithium ion, you're approaching used Milwaukee 2662/2663 prices, which is 2-3x the gun.
 

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The Craftsman can remove 200 ft lbs, but in my experience, it takes quite a while with repeated hammering. By the time I remove two or three nuts of those size, the battery has gone from "green" to "orange". This is with the full size lithium ion batteries. It's a nice gun for the money if you get the Nicad version. However with the price of the gun and lithium ion, you're approaching used Milwaukee 2662/2663 prices, which is 2-3x the gun.

Stay FAR away from used battery powered tools unless you are buying the bare tool and already have good batteries. Or if you are 500% sure the batteries are still good.
 

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Does anyone have any experience with the ryobi model. I have read that they are made by the same manufacturer as the cman. It has a slightly higher torque rating and looks very similar.
 

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Does anyone have any experience with the ryobi model. I have read that they are made by the same manufacturer as the cman. It has a slightly higher torque rating and looks very similar.

I was JUST about to post that question. I have several Ryobi "ONE+" tools, including the 1/4" impact. (Obviously, lug nuts are safe from that thing.) It's nice having my flashlight, impact, small drill, hammer drill and leaf blower all using the same battery. I've seen the 1/2" drive Ryobi ONE+ impact for $99 at Home DePot but never pulled the trigger on it.
 

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What you could do is to take a sharpie and mark the nut or the socket. Then you could see how the nut moves thousandths of an inch on repeated impacts.

Thanks for the further explanation and suggestion, i will have to try that.

But bigger question was why was your mechanic borrowing your tool to do the job? ;)

X2 on the Ryobi inquiry. I know though that the batteries will not interchange between the c3 and Ryobi.
 
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