Belt-Driven Hydraulic Pump

[Smiles79]

I picked up a loader for my Ferguson TO20, and I need to find a pump. I'd rather do something belt-driven so I can still tilt the hood open without removing the pump. Does anyone have any suggestions for a pump around 10gpm that has adequate shaft support to use as belt-driven? The pumps I've been finding are apparently designed to be direct-mounted to the prime mover.

 

[finn]

Don’t know who made them, but belt driven hydraulic pumps were common on snow plow trucks and Jeeps forty years ago. There are a few companies out there that still service these, at least last time I checked. Don’t recall their names, though.

Ebay has some used plow pumps, and Northern tool has several listings in the 6-18 gpm range.

 

[Smiles79]

Don’t know who made them, but belt driven hydraulic pumps were common on snow plow trucks and Jeeps forty years ago. There are a few companies out there that still service these, at least last time I checked. Don’t recall their names, though.

Ebay has some used plow pumps, and Northern tool has several listings in the 6-18 gpm range.

My main issue has been not knowing how to search for them. So a snow plow pump is generally belt-driven?

 

[jack stand]

Surpluscenter.com

 

[cherokee]

IIRC that is basically a ford, why not a PTO driven pump?

 

[JeepYJ]

The company is out of business now but look up Zane’s Wild Thang live hydraulics for some ideas. Also have you considered a PTO driven pump?

 

[Smiles79]

Surpluscenter.com

I inquired about one pump and they told me that they don't sell anything that is belt driven.

IIRC that is basically a ford, why not a PTO driven pump?

I would like to leave the pump mounted all the time, so I would still need to be able to use the PTO.

I originally didn't want a front mounted pump because I didn't want to hack up the grill and I wanted to be able to still tilt the hood. Maybe I'll just remove the grill altogether.

 

[alfadan]

I'm sure they have pumps with shafts intended to take lovejoy couplers, so you could install a keyed pulley instead.

 

[cherokee]

I inquired about one pump and they told me that they don't sell anything that is belt driven.

I would like to leave the pump mounted all the time, so I would still need to be able to use the PTO.

I originally didn't want a front mounted pump because I didn't want to hack up the grill and I wanted to be able to still tilt the hood. Maybe I'll just remove the grill altogether.

Currently that is how my ford is, the fan ***** air in from the front and if you mow with it it can get clogged up with all kinds stuff. If you have the cover off just a swipe of the hand (glove) will get that mess off of there, otherwise you need to mess with those little pins and such.

I am getting ready to turn an old front wheel into a cool little table with a bearing so you can turn it. I think it is going to be cool, just need to find a good (correct) base for it.

 

[finn]

My main issue has been not knowing how to search for them. So a snow plow pump is generally belt-driven?

Older plows. Not current plows that I am familiar with. A lot of those older plows are still in service, though.

 

[finn]

My main issue has been not knowing how to search for them. So a snow plow pump is generally belt-driven?

The Northern pumps are generic. No reason a pulley couldn’t be mounted as far as I can tell.

 

[nadogail]

I remember power steering pumps as being belt driven, I have no idea as to their volume or pressure.

 

[Smiles79]

I remember power steering pumps as being belt driven, I have no idea as to their volume or pressure.

I had that thought as well, thanks.

 

[alfadan]

Seems like I remember them only being about 500 psi and not a lot of flow.

 

[RPH]

This is today, what flow and pressure required. Never said cheap.

 

[jack stand]

That's the type that I knew I've seen there.

 

[jblnut]

I've done thousands of dollars in business with surplus center and have never had a bad experience.

There are some pulley-less pumps with keyed shafts that you can add a pulley and build a bracket for.

 

[Smiles79]

This is today, what flow and pressure required. Never said cheap.

I guess I didn't look at the clutch pumps. I'll probably just go with something mounted out front and take the grill out of the hood of the tractor.

 

[KenC]

I guess I didn't look at the clutch pumps. I'll probably just go with something mounted out front and take the grill out of the hood of the tractor.

Right below the listing linked above are the same pumps with no clutch. Still not cheap. and those are way oversized for normal loader work on a small tractor. You only need 2-4GPM unless you have really big cylinders. Those are around 12-16GPM, depending on speed 'Normal' pumps are not designed to operate with belt tension pulling on the bearings. A jack shaft driven by the crank then to the pump would work. Kinda clunky though.

 

[Mandres]

If you have room a jackshaft arrangement with bearings on each end is ideal. The side loading force will destroy most pumps.

 

[Smiles79]

Right below the listing linked above are the same pumps with no clutch. Still not cheap. and those are way oversized for normal loader work on a small tractor. You only need 2-4GPM unless you have really big cylinders. Those are around 12-16GPM, depending on speed 'Normal' pumps are not designed to operate with belt tension pulling on the bearings. A jack shaft driven by the crank then to the pump would work. Kinda clunky though.

Yeah I'm looking for higher flow so I can use some to provide live hydraulics to the tractor and also rear remotes.

 

[dfiler2]

There are PTO pumps with a shaft tha allows you to still use the PTO

 

[KEH]

The TO 20 does not have live PTO, which means that when you push in the clutch the PTO stops turning. Not good for a PTO powered pump. Not too great with a mower either.

KEH

 

[JeepYJ]

The TO20 makes a poor loader tractor for various reasons. I wouldn’t spend much time or money trying to make this work.

 

[Firebrick43]

As Mandres stated, just slapping a belt pulley on a standard hydraulic pump will destroy it in short order. They have to have a bearing mounted in front of them to take all the side loads. The pump in post 15 has a bearing on the electric clutch portion under the pulley.

 

[Bad Eye Bill]

I remember power steering pumps as being belt driven, I have no idea as to their volume or pressure.

I've used power steering pumps to lift snowplows on Jeep CJ's. Pretty sure they, or an actual snowplow pump, won't be the answer for a loader though.

 

[dfiler2]

Didn't realize the tractor didn't have a live PTO, a lot of those era tractors had a plate on the side that you could connect a pulley to for running stationary equipment that might work for a pump.

 

[Bad Eye Bill]

Didn't realize the tractor didn't have a live PTO, a lot of those era tractors had a plate on the side that you could connect a pulley to for running stationary equipment that might work for a pump.

The Fergies don't have that option.