Bergen tools

[want some tools]

Sorry to bother you folks and let me say firstly i am not pluging or advertising my web site, this is a serious question.

Has anyone on here used BURGEN tools, they are a German Company so i assume they should be very good quility, i have done a search on google ect but cant seem to find any reviews, just wondering if any one on here has used them, there site recons they are up there with Snap On MMMMmmm.

I have found a supplier here in the uk and have started to list items from them but i am not sure about the product, any info would be very much appreciated.

 

[UK Steve]

Hi and welcome

The clue on quality & C of O is simply in the price, and don't forget the dealer makes his cut the wholesaler makes his cut then of course the manufacturer has a cut and also it's a long boat journey from China.
It may be a German company but please don't insult our european friends they would never make such a third rate product.

 

[want some tools]

Thanks for the reply steve, i agree with you regarding them being a German company and not for 1 minute calling them, they make some really good quility products. The thing is they are not cheap, i say this compared to others, but there motto is, excellent quility without the price tag, for example...

Please.......THIS IS NOT A ADVERT, PLUG AND NO LINKS INVOLVED.

This is the information i have recieved from my suplier.

Please tell me what you think.

Recomended Retail on this is £69.99 (GBP) I think that would be over $100,
again without plugging my site i do these for less than half this price

Bergen 27 Pc 3/8" & 1/2" Drive Torx Socket Bit & E Socket Set

Bergen Tools are made to the highest German engineering standards, which means that they are one of the best tool manufacturers on the market.
This is a Professional Mechanics Torx and E socket set contained in a metal case.
Included in this set is 8pc star sockets, 10pc star bits W/sockets and 8pc 25mm star bits plus a bit adapter.
Made from Chrome Vanadium. It weighs nearly 2kgs to help show its quality and durability.
Made by professionals for professionals.

Specification
• 5-3/8” Dr. E Socket E10, 12, 14, 16, 18
• 3-1/2” Dr. E Socket E20, 22, 24
• 5-3/8” Dr. Torx Socket Bit T20, 25, 27, 30, 40
• 5-1/2” Dr. Torx Socket Bit T45, 50, 55, 60, 70
• 8-Torx Security Bits 25mm T8, 10, 15, 20, 25, 27, 30, 40
• 1-1/4” x 3/8” Adaptor
• Sturdy metal case

 

[sk farmer]

not to be stirring the pot but that pretty much describes every brands version of that set. they may be top quality and they may be junk but you won't know that from the description on the side of the box. they all look good on the side of the box. put a few sets in peoples hands for a month or two and that may give you a better idea.

 

[want some tools]

This is the reason for the post sk farmer, wanted to know if any one has used them, the reason for the discription is to show the price and what you get, needles to say with almost anything and its the old saying, " YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR " if you pay £7 ($10) for a ratchet set and there is one on the shelf next to it for £45 ($65) then its upto you, do you get the cheap one and use its for a couple of month or do you opt for the more expensive and get years out of it. the above item in my eyes is not cheap by any means and at over $100 i would want a life time out of it to be honest.

 

[UK Steve]

"Recomended Retail on this is £69.99 (GBP) I think that would be over $100"
again without plugging my site i do these for less than half this price.

And you're making a profit!!!! really, how much do you think these are produced for???

"Bergen Tools are made to the highest German engineering standards, which means that they are one of the best tool manufacturers on the market"

No they are not made to the highest German standards for instance tell me.... from the catalogue the weight of a 1/2" 13mm chrome deep socket, then tell me the manufacturing tolerrances and if it's cold or hot forged, This information is given by all proffesional tool manufaturers because industry demands it, your average Fred in a shed doesnt care.

Stahwille, Hazet, facom & all Pro tool companies use the term Torx bit sockets because they paid for the licence to manufacture & and use the correct name for these items, They would never ever use the term STAR......................why do people confuse B/S with the facts..........................

 

[Monte]

Do you have a www adress ? Homepage etc. of the manufacturer ?? ?? i can only find pages from the UK...
only know "Bergeon" from switzerland...no "Burgen" or "Bergen" over here.....

if its this "Bergen" then it is from china or Taiwan

 

[want some tools]

point taken there steve and thanks for the heads up, i think a lot lot more research has to be done before i start selling these items, thanks again.

 

[want some tools]

Hi Monte, thanks for replying, answer is simple NO, i have been trying for ages to get some thing on them but to no availe, hence the post on here.

 

[ears]

Sure seems like you are trying to plug your site/ sell your tools. First post asks if anyone knows anything about the quality. Second post you say they make some really good quality products. Suggested retail means nothing. A quick google search shows this set selling for about 20 pounds. They appear to be made by the same people as US Pro. Big American flag on the packaging, not made in the US or from what I can tell even sold here. Bergen uses a German sounding name and claims to be made to German engineering standards, not made in Germany or from what I can tell even sold there.

Couldn't find a site that says they are up there with Snap on.

Thanks for the reply steve, i agree with you regarding them being a German company and not for 1 minute calling them, they make some really good quility products. The thing is they are not cheap, i say this compared to others, but there motto is, excellent quility without the price tag, for example...

Please.......THIS IS NOT A ADVERT, PLUG AND NO LINKS INVOLVED.

This is the information i have recieved from my suplier.

Please tell me what you think.

Recomended Retail on this is £69.99 (GBP) I think that would be over $100,
again without plugging my site i do these for less than half this price

Bergen 27 Pc 3/8" & 1/2" Drive Torx Socket Bit & E Socket Set

Bergen Tools are made to the highest German engineering standards, which means that they are one of the best tool manufacturers on the market.
This is a Professional Mechanics Torx and E socket set contained in a metal case.
Included in this set is 8pc star sockets, 10pc star bits W/sockets and 8pc 25mm star bits plus a bit adapter.
Made from Chrome Vanadium. It weighs nearly 2kgs to help show its quality and durability.
Made by professionals for professionals.

Specification
• 5-3/8” Dr. E Socket E10, 12, 14, 16, 18
• 3-1/2” Dr. E Socket E20, 22, 24
• 5-3/8” Dr. Torx Socket Bit T20, 25, 27, 30, 40
• 5-1/2” Dr. Torx Socket Bit T45, 50, 55, 60, 70
• 8-Torx Security Bits 25mm T8, 10, 15, 20, 25, 27, 30, 40
• 1-1/4” x 3/8” Adaptor
• Sturdy metal case

 

[want some tools]

This is there logo...........

 

[want some tools]

Firstly Ears (love the name by the way) not once have i mentioned my site, also i am uk based, i would ship but never ever do i get any orders or even enq from any where exept the UK, if i was going to plug my site then surly i would do it on a uk site but here in the UK they are very touchy about advertising for free, this is one reason i am on here, there is more chance of the cow jumping over the moon than any one on here buying from me / UK as the shiping cost for such a weighty item would probably be more than the cost of the item.

Right regarding Bergen, i am really trying to get some information on them, i have like i say been trying for some time now and looking at your reply, you are also getting nothing, hitting a brick wall.

 

[Hawk321]

Cheap copy!!! Made in Asia stuff...even the sign is a copy of Berner Tools (rebadged)...

Bought some sockets of them ...broke ....

 

[want some tools]

Now thats what i want to hear, thankyou very much Hawk321,

Also , you know when you see somthing in the sky, you shout for the wife or friend to take a look, your all standing there looking up into the sky and then........NOTHING... they go inside and leave you alone and then it happens its there again, well this sort of thing has just happened, i have asked on here about Bergen because i could not find anything about them, i have just stumbled on this if any one is intrested.

This was posted some years ago.....Wed 29 Sep 2004 10:01

Bergen Tool and Machine Co was an American manufacturer whose plant in Hackettstown, New Jersey, was closed in July last year. It was originally called American Saw Works but manufacture of big double ended handsaws declined in the 20's and at some point afterwards the works closed and re-opened later under the Bergen name. I've no idea whether Bergen have now shifted their manufacturing overseas or whether all the Bergen tools for sale on eBay are new stock discounted after the closure of the works.

need to read more then here is the link

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=25694

 

[Monte]

there is no "Bergen" mark for tools @ the european trademark office. http://www.wipo.int/ipdl/en/madrid/

 

[want some tools]

Thanks every one and i really do appreciate all the time and efort you have all put in, i have decided to remove ALL of the bergen tools from my site, i have found some more info folowing links from the site above, think i will stick with US PRO.

 

[Monte]

US Pro, Am-Tech, Bergen ?? Is there really a difference....? probably from the same factory in China or Taiwan...

ps: the Bergen tools are still on your site

 

[want some tools]

not for long there not, lol.

Whats your thoughts on toolzone tools ?

 

[quattrojon]

Thanks every one and i really do appreciate all the time and efort you have all put in, i have decided to remove ALL of the bergen tools from my site, i have found some more info folowing links from the site above, think i will stick with US PRO.

May as well remove U.S Pro as well, as it is the same product as Bergen and is manufactured from the finest chocolate and cheese! Also it can be bought very, very cheaply at various autojumbles up and down the country.

 

[Danglerb]

If your looking for a brand, one of the aggressive upscale Taiwan companies might be a good choice.

 

[Monte]

not for long there not, lol.

Whats your thoughts on toolzone tools ?

toolzone ?? never heard of that.
We only have Hazet, Gedore, Stahlwille, Matador, Heyco, Elora etc. over here

ok and dozens of imported tools/brands like Proxxon, Nironex, KS-Tools, BGS Technic, Condor, Hans tools, Force, SW-Stahl..........

 

[want some tools]

If your looking for a brand, one of the aggressive upscale Taiwan companies might be a good choice.

Who might they be then Danglerb

 

[want some tools]

Closed site down until 1st May Monte, all now gone, might get into house hold items like pans ect..lololololol


ONLY JOKING

 

[polo2k]

Hey there, I have a few of the brands listed above,
I am by no means a purveyor of quality tools but I do use them hard and expect them to suffer and survive!
I have some bergen tools (spray gun, air drill and die grinder possibly some others) - they seem to work well enough however none of these tools are in daily use but when needed are always reliable.
I have some AMTECH, these feel quite cheap (I hate that term) I have there compression tester and some other items but they dont feel as solid as I would like, the ratchets feel coarse and cheap and the connectors on the compression tester dont release without a fight.
With regards to American Pro - The only tools of theirs that I have are some spanners, I really like these. They are not in my everyday tools as I have a havit of loosing those so I use cheapies. I keep these in my "posh spanners" drawer, they feel nice and heavy with a solid chrome plate. they do live with my snappies too but I dont have that many.

I saw that you mentioned that you have closed your site for the moment and may not be dealing with some of these brands, if you have any stock then let me know and I may be interested.
If you want to have a play with them then you are welcome to come and have a play with mine (non destructive testing of course lol) I am in wiltshire so its a bit of a trek but closer than most members lol

 

[keithski122]

Hi. I don't normally post on this site as I'm in the UK, I do lurk though.I'm a mechanic/restorer with tools ranging from the cheapest of the cheap right through to snap on.Probably have about £20 000 worth of tools.Now some of these are bergen, they are cheap and they are probably chinese, but they are ok.I have 1/2 impact sockets, air grinder, air saw,spray guns, most are used day in day out.As yet I have not broken any and would certainly buy them again.
I will buy a tool cheap, if I use it a lot and it breaks then I buy better quality next time.If I don't use it much then I haven't wasted a lot of money on it.Its not all about snap on.

 

[Monte]

Closed site down until 1st May Monte, all now gone,

oooohhhhh i just wanted to order a Bergen tool box with a complete 1000 piece socket/spanner set......

might get into house hold items like pans ect..lololololol

yeah Tupperware....

how about a store with solely english tools ??? Maun, Footprint, King ****, Deltec, Monument, Cox, ITL, Norbar, Thor, Fisco, Spear + Jackson, Flinn, Linic, Swann-Morton, Bulldog.......

 

[Ron the Scot]

Re. Bergen tools. I have to say I agree with Keithski. I've got a lot of Snap On and other expensive stuff, but I also have been buying Bergen for over 10 years. There's been nothing wrong with any of it. All the items I have bought have been well made and of good design. It stands up to everyday use, but then I don't ever abuse my kit by taking it beyond reasonable limits of leverage etc. The best toolkits contain a mix of manufacturers to suit your needs and budget. I can't be bothered with tool snobs - although I do love looking at my shiney Snappy stuff.

 

[quattrojon]

Closed site down until 1st May Monte, all now gone, might get into house hold items like pans ect..lololololol


ONLY JOKING

If you still want to sell lower priced tools, just choose a quality brand such as Gearwrench, Toptul, Genius or Signet. At least you can then warranty anything that a customer may break.

Jon

 

[want some tools]

If you still want to sell lower priced tools, just choose a quality brand such as Gearwrench, Toptul, Genius or Signet. At least you can then warranty anything that a customer may break.

Jon

Looking down that road quattrojon, Need somthing reliable, I dont want to get a bad name by selling rubish. Thanks for reply.

 

[want some tools]

oooohhhhh i just wanted to order a Bergen tool box with a complete 1000 piece socket/spanner set......






yeah Tupperware....

how about a store with solely english tools ??? Maun, Footprint, King ****, Deltec, Monument, Cox, ITL, Norbar, Thor, Fisco, Spear + Jackson, Flinn, Linic, Swann-Morton, Bulldog.......

Is there English tools, infact is anything made in England, i used to work in the mill inpregnating cloth with fire proofing ect, they call it English cloth but its from india.

 

[want some tools]

Thanks to everyone who has taken the time to reply, it is much appreciated.

 

[quattrojon]

Is there English tools, infact is anything made in England, i used to work in the mill inpregnating cloth with fire proofing ect, they call it English cloth but its from india.

King **** are alive and well in Birmingham, their range is small, but the quality is good. Thor hammers are made over here, and Footprint hammers are made in Sheffield.

 

[bionicbob]

i have been in the trade now for 30 years and i only had snap on tools but a couple of years ago i bought some bergen tools from the auto jumble and have found them to be just as good i have never had any problems with and would rate them to anyone the only thing i dont know about is the warrenty but i have never needed to find out

 

[Futremechanic]

When I was working with a tractor garage to get some experince before getting an apprenticeship the owner had 3/8 inch impact metric & imperial sockets they were not bad quailty but we only used them rarley & they were stamped germany on them

 

[lbulloc2]

I try to only buy snap on as a personal preference but occasionally I'll buy cheaper tools for one off jobs. I've got a few Bergen tools and haven't been overly impressed with the quality, fine for home use probably, but don't stand up to repeated professional use; I bought the large ball joint splitter they sell which is marketed as being for light commercial/truck use - it lasted about ten Land Cruiser track rod ends before the threads gave up.

From what I can gather Bergen seems to be the same stuff as found at harbour freight

King **** are alive and well in Birmingham, their range is small, but the quality is good. Thor hammers are made over here, and Footprint hammers are made in Sheffield.

Thor hammers are made in Birmingham, I have five of them in my box