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SMLWinds

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I'm in the market for a battery charger and was wondering what you guys think is the best one out there. I don't mind spending premium money as long as I get a premium product.

I will be using it for various things...everything from tractors to cars to my skid steer and excavator to boats. This will be for home use only...I do not do anything related to this for a living.

Thanks in advance for your assistance!
 
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I'm in the market for a battery charger and was wondering what you guys think is the best one out there. I don't mind spending premium money as long as I get a premium product.

I will be using it for various things...everything from tractors to cars to my skid steer and excavator to boats. This will be for home use only...I do not do anything related to this for a living.

Thanks in advance for your assistance!

You have a skid loader and an excavator at home, and neither of them are used to make a living??? Cool toys! :headscrat...... :)

Do a search, there was a similar thread a few weeks ago and another member posted a link to a company who makes good battery chargers right here in the USA.
 
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Glad to see that someone thinks it is cool that I have 100K worth of Cat toys....my wife typically tells me I'm an idiot! No, I don't use them to make a living. I work my **** off during the day so I can buy ridiculous, absurd, expensive toys like a skid steer and excavator!

I will try to find that link. If anyone else know where it is please post a link to it. Thanks!
 

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lol, that's awesome! :thumbup: Hey, I understand completely. Once you have access to that type of equipment on a regular basis, it's hard to imagine living without them.

Oh and, I found that link...... I know nothing about these battery chargers, only that another member here recommended them:

http://www.usabatterychargers.com/index.html


Edit: treed by Airframer.
 
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That portable model 52PY does look pretty good. Are there any thoughts on the charges in that link? I hesitate to buy something I have never heard of without a few recommendations and blessings of it.

With regards to tools, every ridiculous tool/toy/equipment I have ever bought I have ended up getting my use out of 10x over. I firmly believe that after you have something jobs tend to appear for it and you have no idea how you would have gotten by without it!
 

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I'm an Electrical Engineer and I did my senior project in college on lead-acid batteries. You want to know what my favorite battery chargers are? The old-school full-manual ones, in amperages from 1A to 10A. I just gave away my heavy-duty roll-around 60A battery charger because I never use it.

Why do I like the older, 'dumb' chargers? Because they will charge completely dead batteries and older batteries that are near end-of-life. Most modern microprocessor-controlled battery chargers are too smart for their own good and are fooled by normal dead or old battery voltage behavior.

Perfect example - our !@#$% Honda Odyssey (save your Honda love for another thread) has developed the nasty habit of pulling the battery down to 4.0V in a couple of days of non-use (has happened three times in as many months). It's something in one of the electronic modules and I haven't been able to find the current draw yet because it's no longer there after I charge the battery back up. Maddening and now I know why people trade cars in . . .

At any rate, any new microprocessor-controlled charger will look at the 4.0V on that battery and not even recognize that it's actually a 12V battery and thus won't even attempt to charge it. So that's problem #1.

So if you have a 'smart' charger, you first have to use other means to get the battery voltage high enough that the charger figures out that it's OK to actually push some amps into the battery. What a pain!

Problem #2: smart charger is then fooled by high voltage that dead battery presents upon first accepting the initial charge, thinking that the battery is fully charged. So smart charger turns off too soon, and that's no good either. It is perfectly normal for the voltage to go really high at first, and then as the battery impedance drops, it starts accepting current and the voltage will go down (this can take several minutes or even longer for a really dead battery) - once this happens, you want to keep charging until it's completely done.

I select which amperage charger I will use based upon the size and estimated state of charge of the battery that I am trying to charge. I'll leave the battery on the charger overnight, and when voltage gets up to around 15VDC I disconnect the charger. It's not good to leave it at this high of a voltage for a long period of time, but for a few hours it isn't an issue.

So I would recommend look at yard sales, second-hand stores, and Craigslist and buy a few old-school manual chargers (I wouldn't pay more than $10-15 each). You can do a quick functional test with a 12V bulb to see if it lights up (a sealed-beam headlamp works great).

Now if you have really large batteries on construction equipment and need to charge in less time, that's where the larger 40-60A chargers really shine in getting the 'bulk' charge (the first 80%) done quickly. The 'finish' charge (the last 20%) always takes longer and requires much lower current, and the smaller, manual chargers mentioned above work great for doing that job overnight on both smaller and larger batteries.

Oh, having a good voltmeter is a must IMO - you can get a pretty good idea if you're done charging by looking at the ammeter on your charger, but that PLUS the voltage reading will tell you the complete picture. There is a ton of good information on lead-acid battery charging online so I won't repeat all of that here.
 

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Noco Genius works great for me. Have been able to rescue a few sulfated batteries.
 

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Smart chargers work fine, my noco has a feature to boost the voltage so it can start charging on a really dead battery it's just a different button select I hardly call that a Pain to deal with

I recommend a Noco genius I am sure the CTEK is good as well I just don't own one.
 

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It sounds as if we live in similar circumstances, as I too have a variety of tractors, vehicles and heavy equipment here on my farm.

I routinely use three different types of charger. There are several 2a Battery Minder chargers that are used for the small batteries found on 4 wheelers, lawn mowers, trenches, small tractors, etc. I have installed 2 wire quick connectors on most of my equipment and the battery minders are used to maintain the batteries during the months when I am not using the piece of equipment. They are nice in that they automatically desulphanate and will not charge the small batteries too quickly.

I use one of the modern Northern Tools 2/10/25-50a chargers to charge the gel and AGM batteries, as well as the "bench" batteries. These are surplus batteries that get used as needed. I also use this charger to top off the dual battery 12 and 24v equipment. I like the desulphanate on cycle on it better than the Battery Minders for heavy duty desulphanating. As Redmond indicated it is not the best option when a battery is fully discharged; for that as well as rapid boost I use a roll around 200a Schumacher charger.

It I could only have one it would be the Northern one because it is the most versatile.


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SMLWinds

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Great answers! I appreciate the responses. It sounds like I need to learn a lot more about battery chargers....a lot of this is over my head! The comments are good for me to start figuring things out though so thanks! Please feel free to chime in with further opinions and comments...sounds like there isn't a consensus winner at all!
 

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I'm an Electrical Engineer and I did my senior project in college on lead-acid batteries. You want to know what my favorite battery chargers are? The old-school full-manual ones, in amperages from 1A to 10A. I just gave away my heavy-duty roll-around 60A battery charger because I never use it.

Why do I like the older, 'dumb' chargers? Because they will charge completely dead batteries and older batteries that are near end-of-life. Most modern microprocessor-controlled battery chargers are too smart for their own good and are fooled by normal dead or old battery voltage behavior.

Perfect example - our !@#$% Honda Odyssey (save your Honda love for another thread) has developed the nasty habit of pulling the battery down to 4.0V in a couple of days of non-use (has happened three times in as many months). It's something in one of the electronic modules and I haven't been able to find the current draw yet because it's no longer there after I charge the battery back up. Maddening and now I know why people trade cars in . . .

At any rate, any new microprocessor-controlled charger will look at the 4.0V on that battery and not even recognize that it's actually a 12V battery and thus won't even attempt to charge it. So that's problem #1.

So if you have a 'smart' charger, you first have to use other means to get the battery voltage high enough that the charger figures out that it's OK to actually push some amps into the battery. What a pain!

Problem #2: smart charger is then fooled by high voltage that dead battery presents upon first accepting the initial charge, thinking that the battery is fully charged. So smart charger turns off too soon, and that's no good either. It is perfectly normal for the voltage to go really high at first, and then as the battery impedance drops, it starts accepting current and the voltage will go down (this can take several minutes or even longer for a really dead battery) - once this happens, you want to keep charging until it's completely done.

I select which amperage charger I will use based upon the size and estimated state of charge of the battery that I am trying to charge. I'll leave the battery on the charger overnight, and when voltage gets up to around 15VDC I disconnect the charger. It's not good to leave it at this high of a voltage for a long period of time, but for a few hours it isn't an issue.

So I would recommend look at yard sales, second-hand stores, and Craigslist and buy a few old-school manual chargers (I wouldn't pay more than $10-15 each). You can do a quick functional test with a 12V bulb to see if it lights up (a sealed-beam headlamp works great).

Now if you have really large batteries on construction equipment and need to charge in less time, that's where the larger 40-60A chargers really shine in getting the 'bulk' charge (the first 80%) done quickly. The 'finish' charge (the last 20%) always takes longer and requires much lower current, and the smaller, manual chargers mentioned above work great for doing that job overnight on both smaller and larger batteries.

Oh, having a good voltmeter is a must IMO - you can get a pretty good idea if you're done charging by looking at the ammeter on your charger, but that PLUS the voltage reading will tell you the complete picture. There is a ton of good information on lead-acid battery charging online so I won't repeat all of that here.

What voltage should you charge a battery to ?
For batteries in storage , are battery tenders better than those 1-10A chargers and if so, what one would you recommend?
Thanks!!
 

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I have two black and decker 'smart' battery chargers. So far, they have been absolutely awesome.

I did have an instance where it said a small jet ski battery was bad. Through it on a smart automatic trickle charger and it brought it back, then the black and decker would charge it. No biggie.

Ive got a die hard automatic trickle charge. I keep it on a Jeep that sits most of the time and the battery has done great for the year that's Ive had the Jeep. Never dead and always ready to go. It has the quick connections, which I really like.
 

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I have a big garage-type charger/booster unit on wheels and a booster pack. My motorcycles, booster pack and generator are always kept plugged in to Battery Tender brand maintainers when not in use. I haven't replaced a battery in any of them for over 6 years.
 
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What voltage should you charge a battery to ?
For batteries in storage , are battery tenders better than those 1-10A chargers and if so, what one would you recommend?
Thanks!!

For me, I will terminate the charge when the voltage gets above 14.7VDC - when I have a depleted battery, I'll let it go a bit higher, up to around 15VDC. This ensures that all the cells are fully charged. In the final stage of battery charging, at around 14.2V (depending upon temperature) the 'gassing' starts, where water is disassociated into hydrogen and oxygen. Charging above this voltage for an extended period of time can cause electrolyte loss (rate depends upon how much current is being forced through the battery), but this is also known as an equalization charge in order to make sure that every cell in the battery (cells are connected in series, so the full charge current must pass through each cell).

Now, on sealed (gel-cell or AGM) batteries, you don't want to go over 14.2V because you absolutely don't want to gas the battery (no way to put that lost electrolyte back in). So you have to watch those more closely (better suited for a 'smart' charger that can automatically terminate the charge for you).

And as pointed out above, no, the manual chargers are not good for use as battery maintainers (unless they are so small such that the battery voltage stays below around 13.5V at all times). I like the Shumacher brand battery maintainers, but the Battery Tenders are also just fine (but more pricey). I also use a number of Harbor Freight $5 maintainers, but you've got to be careful with those - if the AC power is ever disconnected, the red LED on the black box stays powered from the battery and it will **** it dead eventually (found this out the hard way a couple of times).

I also use maintainers on all of my lawn & garden batteries and on other pieces of equipment that are not routinely used. It will extend the life of your batteries many times over as letting a lead-acid battery go dead (anything below 12.1VDC no-load voltage) permanently damages the battery (prematurely reduces its capacity). Most people seem unaware of this, and think that they can leave a battery dead for months and then charge it back up whenever they want to - you might get away with it, but the battery will never be the same if it comes back at all.
 

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I think associated is the best also. We got one at the shop that's from the 70s. It looks like hell but still works fine. Got to drop some pretty good change but they last forever.
 

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For me, I will terminate the charge when the voltage gets above 14.7VDC - when I have a depleted battery, I'll let it go a bit higher, up to around 15VDC. This ensures that all the cells are fully charged. In the final stage of battery charging, at around 14.2V (depending upon temperature) the 'gassing' starts, where water is disassociated into hydrogen and oxygen. Charging above this voltage for an extended period of time can cause electrolyte loss (rate depends upon how much current is being forced through the battery), but this is also known as an equalization charge in order to make sure that every cell in the battery (cells are connected in series, so the full charge current must pass through each cell).

Now, on sealed (gel-cell or AGM) batteries, you don't want to go over 14.2V because you absolutely don't want to gas the battery (no way to put that lost electrolyte back in). So you have to watch those more closely (better suited for a 'smart' charger that can automatically terminate the charge for you).

And as pointed out above, no, the manual chargers are not good for use as battery maintainers (unless they are so small such that the battery voltage stays below around 13.5V at all times). I like the Shumacher brand battery maintainers, but the Battery Tenders are also just fine (but more pricey). I also use a number of Harbor Freight $5 maintainers, but you've got to be careful with those - if the AC power is ever disconnected, the red LED on the black box stays powered from the battery and it will **** it dead eventually (found this out the hard way a couple of times).

I also use maintainers on all of my lawn & garden batteries and on other pieces of equipment that are not routinely used. It will extend the life of your batteries many times over as letting a lead-acid battery go dead (anything below 12.1VDC no-load voltage) permanently damages the battery (prematurely reduces its capacity). Most people seem unaware of this, and think that they can leave a battery dead for months and then charge it back up whenever they want to - you might get away with it, but the battery will never be the same if it comes back at all.

I am charging 2 big batteries in parallel (in a backhoe) . I started when they read 11.9V and now after charging (after letting them sit awhile) read 12.44V. If I understand what you are saying, I should keep charging on high charge until I get them over 14V then lower the charging rate but keep charging until 14.7V?
 

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I think it was already mentioned but I like the Noco Genius myself. It will charge a dead battery down to 1v or you can switch to a manual mode if it is completely dead.

Quick and easy as pie (although pie seems awfully hard to make).

I have the newest model NOCO GENIUS5, 5-Amp Fully-Automatic Smart. I'm not sure if the older and cheaper one will charge a dead battery.

Cheers
 

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I think it was already mentioned but I like the Noco Genius myself. It will charge a dead battery down to 1v or you can switch to a manual mode if it is completely dead.

Quick and easy as pie (although pie seems awfully hard to make).

I have the newest model NOCO GENIUS5, 5-Amp Fully-Automatic Smart. I'm not sure if the older and cheaper one will charge a dead battery.

Cheers

A little 5 amp consumer grade charger doesn't hit me as the right tool for charging excavator batteries. Could be wrong though
 

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CTEK tender/charger is what I'd recommend if you're storing them indoors and have access to electricity
 

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I have the Pro-Logix 2320 made by Clore Automotive. Great smart charger used extensively in the auto service industry. Battery technology has changed so much that you do really need a smart charger. Won't cook your battery - automatically charges to correct setpoint and switches to maintain mode. Capable of charging Flooded, AGM, Gel Cell, Spiral Wound, Marine and Deep Cycle batteries.

Always folks who say Smart Chargers can't charge a discharged battery but, if they indeed ever used one, it must have been a "dumb" one. This unit provides a simple over ride to initiate the charging process. I have used it and it works.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007ESQW08/?tag=atomicindus08-20

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I will be using it for various things...everything from tractors to cars to my skid steer and excavator to boats.

This will be for home use only...I do not do anything related to this for a living.

Things not normally associated with “home use only”

Tractors (plural)
Skid steer!
Excavator!!!
Boats (plural)
:lol_hitti

While you may not use them for a business, that’s far beyond homeowner use. I have 6 cars/trucks and my Schumacher battery charger from Walmart works great, even when I need it to revive my 5.7L V8 battery or jump it. That said, given your equipment you need a much different tool.

Edit: Yes it’s cool those are your toys.
 

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A little 5 amp consumer grade charger doesn't hit me as the right tool for charging excavator batteries. Could be wrong though

To me, battery chargers are almost obsolete. I have my Cat 215 and Cat D4D (2- $375 Cat Batteries) on 2 BatteryMINDer 24 volt maintainers. If you need to charge your batteries because they are dead, you have other problems that need to be fixed.
 

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I think it was already mentioned but I like the Noco Genius myself. It will charge a dead battery down to 1v or you can switch to a manual mode if it is completely dead.

Quick and easy as pie (although pie seems awfully hard to make).

I have the newest model NOCO GENIUS5, 5-Amp Fully-Automatic Smart. I'm not sure if the older and cheaper one will charge a dead battery.

Cheers

Bought NOCO 3500 as a portable option, but it's just way too small. It's not intended for large batteries, not even ones used in the typical passenger car - not to say other devices OP mentioned.
If I got it right, Genius 5 is next in line https://prnt.sc/rqqi8s?
 
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Wow, I can't believe that it took 15 posts before someone mentioned the best battery charger. I've had my Associated charger for about 25 years. I've found nothing better.

The best. Made in the USA. Their Intellimatic series are smart chargers (go through stages and then drop to float so you can leave it connected indefinitely). I have the model 9425.

https://associatedequip.com/product/9425/
 

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I'm an Electrical Engineer and I did my senior project in college on lead-acid batteries. You want to know what my favorite battery chargers are? The old-school full-manual ones, in amperages from 1A to 10A. I just gave away my heavy-duty roll-around 60A battery charger because I never use it.

Why do I like the older, 'dumb' chargers? Because they will charge completely dead batteries and older batteries that are near end-of-life. Most modern microprocessor-controlled battery chargers are too smart for their own good and are fooled by normal dead or old battery voltage behavior.

Perfect example - our !@#$% Honda Odyssey (save your Honda love for another thread) has developed the nasty habit of pulling the battery down to 4.0V in a couple of days of non-use (has happened three times in as many months). It's something in one of the electronic modules and I haven't been able to find the current draw yet because it's no longer there after I charge the battery back up. Maddening and now I know why people trade cars in . . .

At any rate, any new microprocessor-controlled charger will look at the 4.0V on that battery and not even recognize that it's actually a 12V battery and thus won't even attempt to charge it. So that's problem #1.

So if you have a 'smart' charger, you first have to use other means to get the battery voltage high enough that the charger figures out that it's OK to actually push some amps into the battery. What a pain!

Problem #2: smart charger is then fooled by high voltage that dead battery presents upon first accepting the initial charge, thinking that the battery is fully charged. So smart charger turns off too soon, and that's no good either. It is perfectly normal for the voltage to go really high at first, and then as the battery impedance drops, it starts accepting current and the voltage will go down (this can take several minutes or even longer for a really dead battery) - once this happens, you want to keep charging until it's completely done.

I select which amperage charger I will use based upon the size and estimated state of charge of the battery that I am trying to charge. I'll leave the battery on the charger overnight, and when voltage gets up to around 15VDC I disconnect the charger. It's not good to leave it at this high of a voltage for a long period of time, but for a few hours it isn't an issue.

So I would recommend look at yard sales, second-hand stores, and Craigslist and buy a few old-school manual chargers (I wouldn't pay more than $10-15 each). You can do a quick functional test with a 12V bulb to see if it lights up (a sealed-beam headlamp works great).

Now if you have really large batteries on construction equipment and need to charge in less time, that's where the larger 40-60A chargers really shine in getting the 'bulk' charge (the first 80%) done quickly. The 'finish' charge (the last 20%) always takes longer and requires much lower current, and the smaller, manual chargers mentioned above work great for doing that job overnight on both smaller and larger batteries.

Oh, having a good voltmeter is a must IMO - you can get a pretty good idea if you're done charging by looking at the ammeter on your charger, but that PLUS the voltage reading will tell you the complete picture. There is a ton of good information on lead-acid battery charging online so I won't repeat all of that here.

I agree with the perspective that an "old school" battery chargers still have a place. I had a vehicle that hadn't run in like 6 months and it wouldn't take a charge with my Noco Genius . I used my "old school" battery charger and then put it on the Noco Genius. the car has run consistently since then.
 
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