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Best DMM for AC work?

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Brymen make very good meters which are up there with Fluke quality, but usually at a far more affordable price.

You can also find them rebadged by Greenlee and Amprobe, but only certain specific models - so you have to put a bit of work in to match them up and figure which ones are OEM'd by Brymen.
 
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I think the pros and cons of the Fluke brand are for another thread.

The OP already has a Fluke 87 and is looking for a secondary tool, since he is into automotive already I would advise against a Fluke clampmeter as the resolution isn't very good on DC unless you buy a very expensive model.

The Uni T UT210e is a great little tool for the money and has good enough resolution for parasitic drains on vehicles etc. It also has NCV detection for AC around the home/shop
 

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I think the pros and cons of the Fluke brand are for another thread.

The OP already has a Fluke 87 and is looking for a secondary tool, since he is into automotive already I would advise against a Fluke clampmeter as the resolution isn't very good on DC unless you buy a very expensive model.

The Uni T UT210e is a great little tool for the money and has good enough resolution for parasitic drains on vehicles etc. It also has NCV detection for AC around the home/shop
Correct, I have a fluke 87 and a high and low clamp for that I use for auto work. I just want a second meter to keep with my electrical tool pouch for electrical and hvac work around the house. That is why I was leaning towards an "all in one" type unit with clamp and leads. I think that uni t one will work good for the price.
 

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Correct, I have a fluke 87 and a high and low clamp for that I use for auto work. I just want a second meter to keep with my electrical tool pouch for electrical and hvac work around the house. That is why I was leaning towards an "all in one" type unit with clamp and leads. I think that uni t one will work good for the price.
This may not be true of all brands, but every all-in-one meter (that I have looked at), with the clamp built in, has only one digit past the decimal point for resolution, when using the leads. This may be enough for some use cases, but it ***** for reading battery voltage. This is why I keep a separate AC/DC clamp meter (an older Fluke 36). I do not even keep any leads with it, leaving all of the other functions to the 87.
 

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This may not be true of all brands, but every all-in-one meter (that I have looked at), with the clamp built in, has only one digit past the decimal point for resolution, when using the leads. This may be enough for some use cases, but it ***** for reading battery voltage. This is why I keep a separate AC/DC clamp meter (an older Fluke 36). I do not even keep any leads with it, leaving all of the other functions to the 87.
The uni-t goes to three decimal places past the point on the 2 amp setting, pretty useful if your looking for a parasitic drain above 40mA on a vehicle
 

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Fieldpiece and Fluke appear to be the standard in the HVAC world which is almost all AC. In the old days Triplett and Simpson were the analog meter bomb and they must have made a million of them each before digital became a thing.
After many years with a 260, my first digital meter was a Simpson 360. It seemed high tech at the time, but now compared to a well preserved 260 with the mirrored scale the 360 is about as wrong as LED candles on your birthday cake.
 

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The uni-t goes to three decimal places past the point on the 2 amp setting, pretty useful if your looking for a parasitic drain above 40mA on a vehicle
I don't know the Uni-T so I am not saying it isn't accurate, but one should be careful not to confuse resolution (how many digits of display a meter will show) with its accuracy. In other words, if it reads 1.345 amps +/- .1 amp then the last two digits are not significant.

One trick that works sometimes on low current levels is to make multiple loops of the wire within the clamp and divide the reading by the number of turns. Ten turns inside the clamp will give you an extra decade of resolution much the same as putting ten of an item on a scale and dividing the weight by ten.,
 
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I don't know the Uni-T so I am not saying it isn't accurate, but one should be careful not to confuse resolution (how many digits of display a meter will show) with its accuracy. In other words, if it reads 1.345 amps +/- .1 amp then the last two digits are not significant.

One trick that works sometimes on low current levels is to make multiple loops of the wire within the clamp and divide the reading by the number of turns. Ten turns inside the clamp will give you an extra decade of resolution much the same as putting ten of an item on a scale and dividing the weight by ten.,
Yep, I know, all DC clamps suffer from "drift" too.

But I'm happy with the Uni-T, I have checked it against my multimeter connected in series and it does a very good job.

I think for £43 it's definately been a bargain (I bought mine on recommendation from other GJ users👍)
 

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Some of the Fieldpiece clamp meters will also show three phase information such as rotation. If you are doing any commercial work you need to know rotation from the phase lines to keep from screwing something expensive up.
 

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Some of the Fieldpiece clamp meters will also show three phase information such as rotation. If you are doing any commercial work you need to know rotation from the phase lines to keep from screwing something expensive up.
I wondered how that was done on small equipment. Our stuff was so big we just bumped the motors before we put the coupling or drive belts on.
 

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I wondered how that was done on small equipment. Our stuff was so big we just bumped the motors before we put the coupling or drive belts on.
The easiest way to know correct phase rotation is to keep your phasing / coloring of conductors consistent for line 1, line 2 and line 3 and then a simple double check with a phase rotation meter before startup to ensure correct rotation.
 

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Another 87 user here. I cross over between the automotive DC world and the HVAC (as in High Voltage AC) so Fluke stuff is absolutely standard of the industry. Have not encountered UniT but from this discussion, I think I will as my very old compact DC analogue seems to have been "borrowed". Just an offhand comment: I am a stranger to much of the HV stuff and have to think really hard on what I see people doing in testing (we do some very exotic stuff) but when stuff turns to DC I can kick **** around the junior EEs - thanks to a lifetime of DC car stuff. Of course, then things switch to digital and I have to go sit down on my old fogey bench and watch.

(on edit) 210e on order with Amazon Canada for $65.90 (don't get excited, that's Loonies, not real money).
 
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Be wary of Klein meters. I really want to like them because they are feature packed and priced fairly. However my personal experience has been disappointing. Shop has a CL200 clamp meter that completely botches resistance measurements, I have a CL800 that multiple functions have quit working and an MM400 meter that the duty cycle function quit on. These are NOT industrial quality meters and become untrustworthy in cold/hot environments or just when they feel like it. I’m back to Fluke again.

Correction: CL210 clamp meter not CL200
 
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