Best grinder to remove TLPPC

[HunterDan]

I agree that Justin has been great working with me on this issue. I just hope the company comes up with a good solution. While it is a more budget friendly product it was still $600. I also have very limited free time and grinding the TLPPC and installing epoxy is going to be difficult to fit into my schedule so I am hoping for a good solution.

Yup, I'm right there with you on the time issue. And at this point, with our Maryland humidity, I will have to wait until fall, which *****. Im out 12 gallons, so you know the math on that....

 

[amilligan]

Waiting for an answer on this, was excited about purchasing this product prior to closing on my house on the 20th, now I'm concerned especially while living in Florida where the tires will be extremely warm in the summer.

 

[HunterDan]

Yes I'm still waiting for aResponse also

 

[johnst9]

You can add me to the list of disappointed TLPPC customers. Same issues with the hot tire pickup and yellow tire marks as the rest of you in my 600 sq ft garage located in MN. Etched, cleaned, let dry, spray/back roller applied, & let cure like it sounds most of us did. The rest of the garage looks ok, issues contained to areas where vehicle tires sit so far but only about a week into regular usage now. Very disheartening since this seemed like the perfect product for what I was looking for. Really kicking myself for not spending the extra $$ and just going with a proven epoxy system, especially since I prepped enough for it anyways.

 

[Radix2]

Based on these comments it seems like the TLPPC has more of a film to it than it first sounded like. I had thought it mostly soaked in.

Hmm.

I hope some people that have installed it and are not having problems can post (and who have been using their floor for a while).. Would help to know if it is a batch problem or product problem - since the installs sound pretty thorough.

 

[HunterDan]

Yea, I wish I woulda spent the extra as well...now I'm stuck.

There is a definite film on top of the concrete, and I only did 3 coats, was gonna do 4

 

[johnst9]

Mowed lawn yesterday, took the rider out of the garage and lo and behold there were the same yellow tire marks on the floor from my mower tires where it was parked. Keep in mind this is less than an acre lot of all grass, I mean really how hot can those tires get? This TLPPC coating seems to be really bad... just left shaking my head over here.

 

[Radix2]

Mowed lawn yesterday, took the rider out of the garage and lo and behold there were the same yellow tire marks on the floor from my mower tires where it was parked. Keep in mind this is less than an acre lot of all grass, I mean really how hot can those tires get? This TLPPC coating seems to be really bad... just left shaking my head over here.

Somewhere there is a post with a coatings manufacturer's fact sheet on tire marking - the claim is that these yellow marks are not due to heat, but due to the tire leaching some chemicals out - and the stains happen to all they types of coatings if I recall correctly.

Are these mower tires fairly new ?

anyone recall the post with the link ?

 

[vroach1951]

Don't worry, the marks come up with the sealer. Floor looks good as new underneath

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[johnst9]

Mower is a 2006 model year, original tires

 

[Radix2]

Mower is a 2006 model year, original tires

John I found the link to the article from the vendor here - http://allgaragefloors.com/tire-marks-epoxy-flooring/

note that the issue is not just TLPPC but poly and epoxy coatings too..?

It has some suggestions for things to try to remove them.

I'm kinda skeptical myself that 10 year old tire are still leaching stuff, but something is going on. Any tires beside your mower leaving marks?

 

[USAFpj]

I have multiple gallons of TLPPC waiting to be applied as well. Like a lot of you, I'm waiting until the testing is complete to see what the issues are.

I have full confidence, though, that Justin and the company will do right by you on whether you applied it or not, and are having issues. Take a look at all of his replies to concerned customers in the past on any products, not just his. Give it a little time and patience, and it'll get worked out.

 

[indebt]

I agree. My floor has also peeled up in spots, also taking any stains with it so that's good. I still love my floor and not too disappointed as I'm sure Justin is working on a solution.

 

[Garage Flooring]

Good morning. Just getting back in to the country. I have received a couple of emails and have replied to those. TLPPC should not have much of an exposed film. It should penetrate, especially the first two coats. So here is where I am at on this.

(1) We gave a way multiple projects prior to launch and conducted our own testing as well with no issues.

(2) We have moved an incredible amount of materials and now these issues have popped up in a relatively short time frame.

(3) We have gotten some product samples of applied product back, so we can analyze it. Multiple tests are being run by the company that produces it for us and this week another company is involved in the issue as well.

The goal here is to figure out what has happened and why and help everyone through the issue. I am not going to spout of definites and absolutes and run people throgh a bunch of troubleshooting until I have the results back.

 

[johnst9]

appreciate the update Justin, thanks

 

[strutbuster]

What should be the wait time between coats. The label says 30-40 min or until dry. Can you wait too long as too the first coat is to dry and won't bind to the second coat?

 

[Garage Flooring]

What should be the wait time between coats. The label says 30-40 min or until dry. Can you wait too long as too the first coat is to dry and won't bind to the second coat?

Yes... The product needs to go over the original coat fairly quickly. One of the application issues I have seen is people putting the product on thick, like a coating and then it does not dry like it should. If you are applying it thin, multiple coats, 20-30 minutes is suggested. After a day its definitely to long, the exact amount of time varies based on environmental conditions.

 

[Garage Flooring]

UPDATE and Request:

The manufacturer brought in a chemist from back east to run some additional testing. He believes the issue to be a particle size of the resin. Cured materials are now being sent to the resin manufacturer for them to run tests on. It is not all the material. It is a specific batch. They are unable to reproduce the issue with material previous sent out.

As I have expressed to them, my concern is always, to make people whole and how to fix the issue. The next step is for us to find the best way to remove the product, preferably chemically. Typically this product is very difficult to remove that way, but the results are not typical. We are looking for someone in central California that is having an issue with it. If that is you, please let me know

Next:

While we can certainly keep this thread active. It is not the best way for me to make sure I have all the information regarding your project and the issues you are having. If you are having a problem, I need an email with as much of the following information as possible:

Email Address: [email protected]

Email Subject: TLPPC Warranty Inquiry

Email Body:

Full Name:
Order #:
Approximate Order Date:
Approximate Install Date:
Square Footage
# of Coats
Description of concrete condition, texture and prep work, if any:
The number that is punched into the label on the upper right hand side.

 

[HunterDan]

Thanks for the updates!

I'll have to get the numbers tonight when I get home and I'll send over an email

 

[vroach1951]

As easily as my coating peels up, I'm thinking that a pressure washer might take it off

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[Garage Flooring]

As easily as my coating peels up, I'm thinking that a pressure washer might take it off

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If it is coming up that easy I would suspect either a sealer or very smooth concrete. Once we get to a resolution, we are going to want to look into this part further --for your sake.

 

[HunterDan]

So I figured I'd just post this as well.

I pulled my tractor in the garage this afternoon for oil, hydraulic fluid and fuel filter changes. I had it in there for about an hour, when I finished the oil and fuel filter, I backed it up to wipe up any spilled fluids up. I backed up a few feet and here's what I got.

As I said, it was only sitting there for a hour at the most. Yellow tire marks, and some coating peeled up.







Also a few oil drops that when wiped up, within 1 minute, left a lighter oil stain. Most of it wiped off, but there is light stain spots.

 

[zio]

Justin
Thanks for all the work so far and the continued work. It sounds like they may have solved the mystery of why the TLPPC is not adhering to the concrete. My question is even if they fix the formula will the tires and oil continue to leave marks even after a short time? I understand that tires can leave marks on any coating but I do not believe it should happen every time I pull in the garage or I spill a little oil.

 

[USAFpj]

It sounds like they may have solved the mystery of why the TLPPC is not adhering to the concrete.

Zio, what was your understanding of the problem/answer?

 

[zio]

Zio, what was your understanding of the problem/answer?

My understanding was there was a problem with a certain batch of the product. It sounds like whatever they did caused it to not absorb into the concrete and instead just sat on top. I don't think there has been a solution yet.

I myself will probably grind off the product very soon. I am currently paying for a storage unit for some of my stuff. My basement is also full of stuff from the garage and it needs to be out in two weeks as my basement remodel is starting.

 

[HunterDan]

Yea I'm in the same boat, I just messaged Justin about what there going to do for us. As you said, I will probably grind it down and spend even more money on something else.

I am also paying for a storage unit for my big stuff, and my basement is also jam packed with everything else.

 

[zio]

Yea I'm in the same boat, I just messaged Justin about what there going to do for us. As you said, I will probably grind it down and spend even more money on something else.

I am also paying for a storage unit for my big stuff, and my basement is also jam packed with everything else.

Let me know what Justin says. I was going to ask him the same things. My email is [email protected] if you would rather email me. Thanks

 

[Garage Flooring]

The warranty messages are being forwarded to the manufacturer and the resin manufacturer. This is to help narrow down the batch, etc. They are sealing a floor using the product at issue. They are going to abuse until it fails and then test a resolution. Unfortunately this is not something I can rush.

 

[zio]

While I understand they can not rush their research is there any chance they can take care of their customers that don't have unlimited time? In two weeks I will be pretty much stuck with a floor that constantly stains and peels.

 

[HunterDan]

While I understand they can not rush their research is there any chance they can take care of their customers that don't have unlimited time? In two weeks I will be pretty much stuck with a floor that constantly stains and peels.

X2 on that, plus the 100$+ I am paying a month for storage doesn't help things

 

[Garage Flooring]

While I understand they can not rush their research is there any chance they can take care of their customers that don't have unlimited time? In two weeks I will be pretty much stuck with a floor that constantly stains and peels.

X2 on that, plus the 100$+ I am paying a month for storage doesn't help things

I basically have two options. We can issue a refund, you can grind the floor and install a different product from scratch. That will leave you needing to grind off what is there.

OR

We can wait until they test the fix. I can't rush the fix without risking additional failures. We have to make sure the product is fully cured (like our customers) so that we are mirroring the situation. Then the new product needs installed, cured and tested. The earliest I expect any data is the end of the week.

 

[zio]

Justin,
What kind of product are they thinking we can put over the top of the TLPPC to fix the issue? Wouldn't the second product just come up with the TLPPC? Again thanks for the help. I know you didn't cause this issue.

 

[Garage Flooring]

Justin,
What kind of product are they thinking we can put over the top of the TLPPC to fix the issue? Wouldn't the second product just come up with the TLPPC? Again thanks for the help. I know you didn't cause this issue.

They are looking at several things right now. (1) Can the sealer be properly removed chemically. (2) Can a specific urethane sealer be installed on top of the existing sealer, and repair the issue, including the concerns you raised. This is going to depend on how the existing sealer reacts to the solvents in the new sealer. (3) if necessary, best methodology for removal otherwise and best way to re-coat. (4) Like any manufacturer, they are looking at further at causation as well.

 

[zio]

Any updates on the testing?

 

[Garage Flooring]

I have not received the outcome as of yet. I will be posting more info as soon as I get it

 

[amilligan]

Hope to hear an answer soon, my 3 gallons have been sitting in my shed for the past 2 weeks. Was hoping to have my garage finished when I moved in immediately.

 

[zio]

Hope to hear an answer soon, my 3 gallons have been sitting in my shed for the past 2 weeks. Was hoping to have my garage finished when I moved in immediately.

I'm am really hoping the manufacturer comes up with a solution soon. I sent in the sample of my damaged floor for testing a month ago and nothing so far.

 

[HunterDan]

Just want to say, whoever has this and hasn't put it down yet, DONT. Either return it and wait for a solution, or go with something else. I will give it to Justin, he was great, and gave me a refund when asked. My only complaint is that now I have to put out 200$ to rent a grinder, and go through this whole fuc**ng process again, except now I have coolant and oil stains to deal with that this failed tlppc could not keep out.

I asked for some compensation for grinder rental, and was told no. That to me isn't cutting it, and is the reason I went with another company for my replacement coating. I feel this company should at the very least cover the RE-rental of the grinder. I'm paying over 100/month for storing my bigger things while I did this floor, and now have to re-do the entire thing again, over 2300 square '.

Not happy, but it is what it is

 

[vroach1951]

Luckily I haven't had any oil penetrate past the skin of the tlppc. I got some water on an area where the skin is missing and it evaporated after an hour or so. I'm not sure how to fix this without grinding. At least I have my other garage to use while I wait.

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[Garage Flooring]

We have been continuing to trade phone calls with the manufacturer the resin manufacturer is also involved and now it has moved to the next level involving the manufacturers insurance company. In the mean time they have not had luck going over it but have had luck with a specific bio stripper.

I am out of town because of a family situation but they are emailing me what they used and how and I will update here.


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