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I got a 15% off one time use coupon sent to me from Harbor Freight so I went the 1 mile from my house to the Harbor Freight store at 32nd Street and Bell Road and bought their new ICON hose removal pliers with my coupon. Looks great. While there I noticed how empty the shelfs were and asked the manager where all the stuff was. He said setting in Los Angeles Harbor. Then he hit me with this line: "Why do you think they called it Harbor Freight." Winner, winner chicken dinner!!! (I would have never guessed that.)
 
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I bought my first HF tools in ~1986. This was when they had 2"X2" ads in the back of magazines like Popular Mechanics where you'd write or call for a "catalog". Which was probably 20 pages. At that time they were named something like "Harbor Freight and Salvage." Of course there was no "salvage", but whatever. I don't think they had any power tools then, just basic hand tools. And even though I stopped using my initial haul ~15 years ago, I still have ~90% of the hand tools I initially bought, and they've held up great. I only recall breaking one chrome socket under "normal use". And one impact socket and breaker bar under abuse. At that time most of the hand tools were Taiwan, air tools Japan, and pliers from Korea. The pliers weren't very good, that was one of the few disappointments.
 

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My dad’s business had old boxes of supplies in the machine shop that had price stickers (remember them?) that said “harbor sales.” I sometimes wonder if that was an early iteration of Harbor Freight.
 

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I'm not sure, but I really hope someone offers a domestically-produced (with global materials) manual chain saw. I'd even upgrade to the wind-up version.
Every time I see that, I always think how it could be done.

A hand crank to an overdrive gearset to spin a flywheel, which is coupled to the cutting chain drive gear.
 

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I got a 15% off one time use coupon sent to me from Harbor Freight so I went the 1 mile from my house to the Harbor Freight store at 32nd Street and Bell Road and bought their new ICON hose removal pliers with my coupon. Looks great. While there I noticed how empty the shelfs were and asked the manager where all the stuff was. He said setting in Los Angeles Harbor. Then he hit me with this line: "Why do you think they called it Harbor Freight." Winner, winner chicken dinner!!! (I would have never guessed that.)
Actually, that manager didn't know the real story. Harbor Freight was originally a telemarketing company that sold all their tools over the phone in the 1960s. They called themselves Harbor Freight Salvage (or Harbor Freight & Salvage, depending on the info source). They used to call businesses throughout the country that used tools and lied to them about how they got the tools--they claimed they were freight salvage that they were selling at salvage prices, when in fact they were buying them by the container new from Japan and Taiwan. Because the imported tool market was in its infancy, few buyers were able to compare prices to discover they were selling them for 4x to 6x what they sold for retail in Los Angeles. They used what was known as the "freight pitch" (after which their company name was derived) which since was made illegal. A real bunch of operators. I was in the business at the time, and so I wrote an extensive history of the company in a GJ thread, for which I took a lot of hater heat.
 
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Actually, that manager didn't know the real story. Harbor Freight was originally a telemarketing company that sold all their tools over the phone in the 1960s. They called themselves Harbor Freight Salvage (or Harbor Freight & Salvage, depending on the info source). They used to call businesses that used tools and lied to them about how they got the tools--they claimed they were freight salvage that they were selling at salvage prices, when in fact they were buying them by the container new from Japan and Taiwan. Because the imported tool market was in its infancy, few buyers were able to compare prices to discover they were selling them for 4x to 6x what they sold for retail in Los Angeles. They used what was known as the "freight pitch" (after which their company name was derived) which since was made illegal. A real bunch of operators. I was in the business at the time, and so I wrote an extensive history of the company in a GJ thread, for which I took a lot of hater heat.
Nice to know if it's true
 

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Nice to know if it's true
Yes, it is true. I worked for a competitor during that era who was doing the same thing. Since "phone jocks" often drifted from one "boiler room" to another, we all knew what everyone else in that market was doing. There were three of them by the early 1970s; California Contractors Supplies, Republic Distributors and Harbor Freight. HF paid the biggest commissions at about 42% (IIRC) but their tools were also the worst junk. A few of us jocks broke away from Republic and HF tried to recruit our office. We went with CCS.
 
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I got a 15% off one time use coupon sent to me from Harbor Freight so I went the 1 mile from my house to the Harbor Freight store at 32nd Street and Bell Road and bought their new ICON hose removal pliers with my coupon. Looks great. While there I noticed how empty the shelfs were and asked the manager where all the stuff was. He said setting in Los Angeles Harbor. Then he hit me with this line: "Why do you think they called it Harbor Freight." Winner, winner chicken dinner!!! (I would have never guessed that.)
Nice, didn’t realize we were that close. I am up off Carefree highway, but pass by there a fair bit on the way to jobs.
 

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I don't know what HF sold in the 60s-70s, or anything about their business practices, but the tools in the 80s were not junk and not 4X overpriced. I paid $35 for a SAE 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 socket sets, with ratchets and extensions, and used them professionally for years - full and part time. These are the ones that came in the metal boxes and were probably copied from SK. I still have them and they're still perfectly functional; these are not the $5 **** sets that you would see at flea markets- maybe that's what they sold in the 70s, dunno. A set of HF impact sockets was $7-10 at that time- high quality Taiwan made. I still have the receipts! and in 1987 it was Harbor Freight Salvage Co; in 1990 it was Harbor Freight Tools
 

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Why, seemed like a legit question to me. This store is typically very well stocked.
Might just be me, that whole COVID-19 thing. :dunno:

In the past every store I ever went to seem to be overflowing with goodness, but in the last Year or so, the ones I go to her they all look like they’ve had a swarm locust go through them.

High demand and almost everything being made in China is what I guess I attributed it to.
 

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A new Harbor Freight opened in South Philly across from the beloved Target store.
The shelves seem full of stock when I stopped in.
 

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I remember going to the Harbor Freight store in Lexington KY several times in the early 1980's, they sold Taiwan made tools of varying quality for the most part. The Lexington store opened in 1980 as their first franchise. My Dad had been buying some tools mail order via ads in the back of magazines and they advertised the Lex KY store opening so I had to drive 100 miles to check them out. A decade earlier I lived in Lex so I knew right where the store was on New Circle Drive. Today there are probably a half dozen stores within 25 miles of me, some clean, organized and fully stocked, others not so much.
 

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Oh how i do not miss 32nd st and bell rd.

on a side note, i should take to the roads and start picking up sea cans and delivering them for mega bucks.
 

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I don't know what HF sold in the 60s-70s, or anything about their business practices, but the tools in the 80s were not junk and not 4X overpriced. I paid $35 for a SAE 1/4, 3/8, 1/2 socket sets, with ratchets and extensions, and used them professionally for years - full and part time. These are the ones that came in the metal boxes and were probably copied from SK. I still have them and they're still perfectly functional; these are not the $5 **** sets that you would see at flea markets- maybe that's what they sold in the 70s, dunno. A set of HF impact sockets was $7-10 at that time- high quality Taiwan made. I still have the receipts! and in 1987 it was Harbor Freight Salvage Co; in 1990 it was Harbor Freight Tools
Correct. It was son Eric Smidt who moved his father away from the telemarketing model. They began selling to the general public, first with thin mail order catalogs printed on newspaper stock (I believe they first distributed them as advertising inserts in newspapers). They even diversified into the hat business for a short time in addition to the tools. They first had only a single outlet store in the L.A. area where they sold off the returns they got from businesses in the telemarketing operation. This would have been the only outlet at the time where the general public could buy direct from HF. They shipped the telemarketing tools out on 30-day billing (they were not pre-paid or COD), so if you weren't a business with vendor credit references you would never have been called. Eric expanded the retail approach, opening retail stores like the ones people are familiar with from the 80s. Eric also began to move away from the total junk tools as well, especially since they were no longer paying 42% commissions to telemarketers, and the market had changed so there was a lot more imported tools on the open market to compare and compete against. There's at least one article online that refers to HF's early telemarketing days, but as you can imagine, they don't publicly discuss the dirty details of the time--you'd have to have been part of that scene from the time to know about it. In the thread I mentioned, I praised Eric for what he did with his Dad's company, which is what drew the most hater heat. I provided the info as a means to record it for posterity and for the benefit of GJ members (the vintage tool section on the forum is very big on company and tool history). I wasn't writing a fiction fantasy piece that I made up as a way to throw a piece of raw meat to a pack of wolves, just a first-hand account from someone who was on the inside of that tool telemarketing era. Folks are free to believe it or not. Some don't want to think of HF that way, some don't like to see Smidt as an innovative and highly successful entrepreneur whose vision ultimately changed the face of the tool industry.

I've just made these comments on this thread as a response to OP's quote form an HF store manager, because I actually know where the "freight" part of the name came from (if you think about it, why would a tool company have FREIGHT in its name???). If you believe me, fine; if not, that's OK too. But my intentions were not to hijack this thread into a love/hate Eric/HF thing, so I hope it doesn't go that way. If it does....sorry, OP.
 
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chris_1001

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Actually, that manager didn't know the real story. Harbor Freight was originally a telemarketing company that sold all their tools over the phone in the 1960s. They called themselves Harbor Freight Salvage (or Harbor Freight & Salvage, depending on the info source). They used to call businesses throughout the country that used tools and lied to them about how they got the tools--they claimed they were freight salvage that they were selling at salvage prices, when in fact they were buying them by the container new from Japan and Taiwan. Because the imported tool market was in its infancy, few buyers were able to compare prices to discover they were selling them for 4x to 6x what they sold for retail in Los Angeles. They used what was known as the "freight pitch" (after which their company name was derived) which since was made illegal. A real bunch of operators. I was in the business at the time, and so I wrote an extensive history of the company in a GJ thread, for which I took a lot of hater heat.
I'd be interested in a link to that post.
 

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Harbor freight has no franchise stores?? All company owned.

The saddest thing was when the son called the police on his father and had him escorted off the premises.
His father was who started the company and then hired his son at age 14.
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