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Best Heater Pros v Cons

Rustyd02359

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DO I get a radiant heater (what is blue flame?or one with a blower unit? WHich is best for heat and efficiency. I will be using propane I would imagine. 24x30' with loft storage/workspace. Insulated walls. I live in MA and have some cold winters. WHat to do??? I have seen these 3 below, of course I would get one with the proper BTU's. Just posted differant types, I know the BTU's are differant on models I showed here.



Mr. Heater Natural Gas Garage Heater — 45,000 BTU, Model# MHU45NG




ProCom Radiant Vent-Free Liquid Propane Heater — 25,000 BTU, Model# ML250TPA





ProCom Blue Flame Vent-Free Liquid Propane Heater — 28,000 BTU, Model# ML300TBA
 
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HoosierBuddy

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If that's my choices, I'm picking the 45k Mr. Heater 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. It's the only one of your choices that's vented..and that's super...and it's got more ooomph than the other heaters.

The Mr. heater is basically a small hanging furnace....perfect for a garage.

Those unvented heaters are nice to take the chill off a bathroom, or heat up a back porch...but they don't work well in continuous use OR in any environment where they will come in contact with solvent fumes, dog hair, lots of dust, deodorizers, cleaning chemicals, etc...making them a poor choice for a garage.

If a vented appliance ***** that type of stuff in with the combustion air, it gets burnt and sent on up the flue. If an unvented heater gets hit with contaminants, it burns it up and blows it back in your face. Plus, the unvented heaters create a ton of moisture in the air. I've got 3 of them...but I know their limitations.

Phil
 
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Rustyd02359

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HoosierBuddy said:
If that's my choices,

. If an unvented heater gets hit with contaminants, it burns it up and blows it back in your face. Plus, the unvented heaters create a ton of moisture in the air. I've got 3 of them...but I know their limitations.
Phil


Not my only choice, just saw those in Northern Tool. ANy other good suggestions? Not sure what is best. The radiant heaters are wall mounted and Direct Vent I thought?, but not sure. I know we had one in Hunting cabin and it kept that big place toasty on low, but it didn't have an upstairs and it had 4-6 guys body heat too.
 
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Rich1028

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HoosierBuddy -
"Plus, the unvented heaters create a ton of moisture in the air. "
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ok this is all new to me,but whats the moisture do?
i'm intrested in a heater for the garge as well,all i have now is two mr.heaters on 20 lbs. propane tanks.
do they make moisture as well??
 

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Rich1028 said:
do they make moisture as well??

When oxygen and gas are burned the byproducts of complete combustion are heat, carbon dioxide, and water. If you look at the flue on any normal gas appliance, you will note a great deal of water vapor coming out of the flue. If you look at a high efficiency furnace, not only is there a large amount of water vapor coming out of the flue, there is also a steady stream being discharged into the condensate line.

There's nothing magical about an unvented fuel burning appliance that makes it any different. Unvented gas heaters are limited by code to the allowable BTU input. The burners are tuned very carefully to insure that they are set up to have complete combustion, meaning if they are working right they don't produce a measurable amount of Carbon Monoxide. They also have oxygen depletion sensors that monitor the ambiant air to insure that the oxygen level is not pulled down by the combustion process. The oxygen depletion sensor will shut off the burner if it starts burning "funny" because the combustion air doesn't have enough O2 in it. They are considered to be 99% efficient, because they burn cleanly and all of the heat they create stays in the structure rather than going up a flue.

BUT...they make water and a lot of it. I've seen cases where people tried to heat their homes with nothing but an unvented heater for a whole winter and it isn't pretty. Drywall falling down. Condensation coating the inside of the windows and pooling on the sills. It's a mold remediation issue waiting to happen.

Unvented heaters are great backup heat if the power goes out. They are great in fireplaces to run a couple of hours a day for extra comfort and ambiance. They are OK to run in a bathroom occasionally to take the chill off. They are outlawed by code in bedrooms. They are easily contaminated by solvents anywhere near them...even a little painting in the basement will cause the upstairs ventless fireplace to emit noxious odors.

They are fine if used as intended but can cause a lot of problems if used inappropriately. I know that heater companies are marketing ventless products for garages. Some people may even have had some sucesss with them. I never have. A "for real" unit heater or wall furnace that includes a direct vent would be a much better choice. A hydronic system would be the ultimate choice.

Phil
 
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