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View media item 29512well it is official i get my garage i want or should say she wants. it will be 24x40x8 with 1-9x7 1-10x7 1-3x6'8" doors 3-4x4 windows enough room for her car my truck and bike kids power wheel and work shop for smiting and glass work i will be doing a slab 5" thick with cuts every 10x12 and mesh reinforcement looking at 3500 psi mix 6 inches of road mix compacted 12" eves on the north east and west sides 24" on the south ok so any tips and tricks any one wants too share i am open to help by the way this is being done by me and my buddy maybe a couple others if i can figure out the beer math is it ( 2b*H)/24= c B equals beer H equals hours worked and c equals cases needed:lol_hitti
 
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ok got an estmate from standard of beaverdale for 8250.00 after tax and freight for the plan above menards wants 9053.00 for a 30x40 but set up about same not sure if the added 800 plus tax is wise for only 240 sq feet st ill shopping around but dang is this stuff exspensive not includeing concrete or forms or base
 

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Before you lock in the 8' ceiling height check with your overhead garage door vendor. Most overhead garage doors are designed to work with 9' or taller doors. I like to put glass fiber in my concrete.
 

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And every GJ member here who has 8 foot ceilings will tell you they wish they had 12' so they could get a lift in there.
 

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Why go with the thicker/ stronger concrete and spend more money if a lift isn't in the picture? Also, seems like a pretty low garage for almost 1000 sq ft.
 

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It's never big enough....

Make it taller....

Do 2x6 in the walls

Outlets at 52"......

Never enough outlets...

Lights? Another thread in it's own....

Beer cost will be high.....

Don't epoxy the floor until your totally done......

It's never big enough......

8" stem walls.....

Semi-gloss or High Gloss exterior paint......

Airlines out of iron or copper....no PVC....

It's never big enough.....

You need more beer.....

And in case you didn't get the memo.....it's never big enough...

Congrats on the start....pictures are required......may I suggest you start a project thread in the gallery section.....
 

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ok got an estmate from standard of beaverdale for 8250.00 after tax and freight for the plan above menards wants 9053.00 for a 30x40 but set up about same not sure if the added 800 plus tax is wise for only 240 sq feet st ill shopping around but dang is this stuff exspensive not includeing concrete or forms or base

Definitely worth $800 for 240 square feet. That is basically one car size, or more than half my garage!

Jim :cool:
 

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If you have the room, spend the few extra $$ and go 30x40. 24 deep and you'll regret it later if you could have swung it. Also the height is very low.. I'd go at least 9' if you never plan to have a lift just to give the doors some room above
 

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Height -Re: best laid plans

Just to chime in on the height -
Even without a lift, you'll be bumping the ceiling or the lights at 8' and even 7' door operators will be tight with 8'.
How tall is your truck? Get it up on jackstands and open the hood - tight.
I have 9' and wish I'd gone higher.
If you do one wall or more with shelves, that extra height also comes in handy - 24 linear feet handy.

Jonas
 

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Maybe your thinking low rise lift one day? If so that 8' ceiling height is too low and your wasting too much money on 5 in concrete, 4 is plenty.

Extra square footage: one reason I vote you do is....KIDS You mention bicycles, kids bang into things at 24 feet deep, you leave little room for them to get the bicycle out of the garage with out banging the rear bumper let alone the center of the vehicles if you have squeezed your shops tollerances in order to have an adequate "work area" consider a deeper shop and pull the cars in a little futher that way they can access the bikes near the doors themselves.

Stand in any room in your house, and raise your arm, most modern ceilings are being built 9-10' tall, is that enough room for you? let alone garage door clearances/hardware. Think of the summer heat that will be hanging down in your face as you or the wife get in/out of the garage.

I know full well the challenges of convincing the wife the benefits of an expensive project, don't rush the project or squeeze your building size believing you can make it work if all you need is say another 6 months of money set aside.

You make no mention of lot restrictions, or HOA codes may be you have insurance coverage concerns in your budget.

I have not stumbled upon any mention thus far about what people spend on insuring their newly built prize. So maybe the extra 6 feet to go 30x40 is out of the budget?

Good luck, we'll be watching.
 

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You like kick yourself in your *** forever if you don't go for the 30'x40. And yes....check into the 9' or even 10' walls. This is something you can't change later. Even if you postpond the concrete floor for a while or something else go bigger. It's the NUMBER ONE mistake everyone would change. Good luck.
 

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You like kick yourself in your *** forever if you don't go for the 30'x40. And yes....check into the 9' or even 10' walls. This is something you can't change later. Even if you postpond the concrete floor for a while or something else go bigger. It's the NUMBER ONE mistake everyone would change. Good luck.

You might not kick your *** for 30', but I wouldn't go ANY LESS than 28'. It's not that much more coin to go another 4'. I've had a couple 24' deep garages, and if you have a vehicle that is fullsize, you are pretty well screwed having a bench in front and working on anything. 4' may not sound like much, but when it comes to vehicles and moving around them to do some work, that little 4' becomes massive. You will really appreciate the extra depth.

Post a poll, and I guarantee almost 100% will tell you to go deeper. One thing to consider is that you want your toolbox or workbench in front of a vehicle. That save a lot of time if you are under the hood doing any work. If you keep it at 24', chances are your workbench will be off to the side. If the bench is on one side and the vehicle happens to be on the other side, you will surely kick yourself.

I have an '02 Dodge Ram 4 door. One portion of my garage is 24' in depth with a 3' desk in front. I can't park the Dodge on that side, but on the side that is 28', I have my rolling toolboxes in front and my air compressor and still have all sorts of room to work, although the back of the truck is just inside the garage door.

One other thing....a 9' wide garage door gets tight. I've scraped one of my mirrors on the truck pulling in. I literally only have a few inches on each side of the truck. If you look too long at one side pulling in, then you'll be real close on the other side. If I had it to do over, I would never put in a 9' wide door. It would be 10' minimum. If you ever had to back a car trailer for any reason, you'd know why real quick. My car trailer had 2" on each side to clear the jambs.
 
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I will tell you having just built a 24' deep that if I could have gone to 28 or 30 it would have been better, but it would not have fit in my case.
 

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If you can fit the 30x40 go for it. I have a 25' deep garage and it is to tight with a workbench and full size standard cab pick up truck. Also, I would do at minimum the 12' ceiling. My $0.02
 
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ok to answer a few questions here 1st i dont plan on a lift other than maybe a bike lift . i am gunna go with the 30x40 now its just a matter of finding the best deal i know the garage is supposoed to be a holy grail man cave work shop but as long as bike is dry and her car is dry my truck can sit outside cause its never been inside since before i got it if i got to fix my truck i take it to work all my tools are there any way the work shop area is getting a glass kiln a glory hole for blowing glass shelving for finished stuff plus an anvil for me i want the 5 inches for the kiln weight of the molten glass and the kiln itself in a small foot print and i figured with my tendencies to overload the truck or trailers or any thing else the extra inch all the way around was good protection . i do plan on a 10x7 door for the truck . i am not planing on a bench or box in front of the vehicles simply because if i've never liked a bench right in front . not sure on th insurance thing no hoa to speak of house was built in 1856 . the budget is tight i have to do the garage and a 12x15 addition on the house, and she is planning a wedding for us all for about 40k she is doing what she can to keep the wedding under 7k if i can beat every nickle on the garage and keep it at 11-12k the addition down to about 15 i might just have enough to to do the drive way i got a tracter with grader i can use for free and got some good labor lined up that will work for free or next to it i am thinking of buying a used compacter then reselling after . sorry for long post was trying to answer every bodys questions and give my resoning for where my head is at
 
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one more thing the 40k is is a wedding fund / house fund from her mother not a loan i am considering doing garage and wedding and then waiting a year and refinancing the house with new appraisal to do the addition by that time my tool box will be paid for and we can swing the extra on the mortgage from just my pay check the only debt we have is the house and my toolbox mt truck her car my sportster all free and clear i was hoping sell the sporty and get something bigger after the box was payed for put an art studio/craft room for her can happen first i ride the bike to get away and clear my head so if she is not comfy on it good excuse to ride alone
 
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got my permits today $96. $0.10 a sqft building inspector made sure to point out things he would look for at first inspection and was generaly a good guy so hopefully this will go well
 
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by the way this is being done by me and my buddy maybe a couple others if i can figure out the beer math is it ( 2b*H)/24= c B equals beer H equals hours worked and c equals cases needed:lol_hitti

You're missing the number of people variable. So I think it goes like this.

(2b*H*P)/24=c :beer:

BTW looks like it's going to be a great build!
 

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got my permits today $96. $0.10 a sqft building inspector made sure to point out things he would look for at first inspection and was generaly a good guy so hopefully this will go well

Looking forward to the build. Has the wedding happened yet or is that still forthcoming?
 
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wedding is set for may 17 2014 i wanted september but she said it would take atleast 8 months to find a dress so we set the date and got every thing rolling for that date then on the very first weekend after we payed for the site she finds the perfect dress and it was only 1200 bucks not the 3-5 k she budgeted for so saved some money there thank god
 

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keep in mind that the wedding is "her" day. If you screw it up, you'll hear about it fro the rest of the marriage. That being said, make it as nice as possible but without going to extremes. Every dollar put into the wedding is 3 dollars less for the house, once you figure in interest over the life of the loan.

She found a dress for a 1/3 of what she thought she was going to spend and liked it. She was happy with it and didn't pass on it to find something more expensive. That's a good woman. Take her out to eat and tell her the reason you're going out to eat is because the financial decision she made and that you greatly appreciate her decision on the dress. Why ? Be married long enough and you'll figure out how to work them and put them in a good mood. When they're in a good mood, you get things your way too. . . . . trust me, 21 years today.
 

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I am in on the 10 foot walls.
Find a mason to put down a 3 block high wall around the outside.
It will not effect you lumber costs and you will find yourself happy in the future.
 

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You will thank yourself....and us...for going with the 30x40'. Good luck. This will cost you more than you think, but, on the other hand, you never heard anyone ever say....."damn, I wish had bought that black and white TV instead"!
 

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From a guy that has spent my entire adult life working around garages and garage doors, You will REGRET anything less than an 8' high garage door!! So now is the time to plan accordingly. The price difference now will greatly outweigh the regrets later. Good luck with your build!:beer:
 

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Here's my input: 30x40' for sure
10' or (maybe) 9' walls
8' high doors
Consider a third overhead door. Possibly a 9-10-9' arrangement. Reason is resale value. IF you don't want three doors now then consider framing for the third, then side it like your plan shows. This would simplify adding a third door later. Good luck!
 

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Bigger is better. There's never enough space. My shop is 40x50. It all started out well, then it wasn't nearly as much extra space as I'd hoped. When you have the room, you tend to acumulate stuff. Some things are just too good to pass up. I have an 18 foot high ceiling. If I'd gone a couple more feet up I could've added a decent loft. But I went that high because of the heat here in Texas. Your building, do it your way. But think about this. I wish I'd put in a 4.0 personnel door. You'll use that door a lot when it's cold n stuff. It'll make it more useful in any case.
 

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For $800 more, it's a no brainer....go bigger assuming you have room.

Other things to consider....

- Make the garage doors the same. I don't see a problem with 9' doors as long as you space them apart sufficiently so you don't bang your doors. If you aren't comfortable with that, do 10' doors so the aesthetically it looks right from the outside.

- Minimum 9' ceiling. Had a 10' ceiling in my last house and loved it. If you are considering a lift of any kind, I would try to swing a 12' depending on costs, etc. A nice perk here is you might be able to do a loft area with storage potential over some of the area. :)

- Run a big enough electric service and set a big panel for 2-3x what you plan now. Outlets need to be placed everywhere, much more frequently than "code" says. Also, think about things like a welder or lift that requires higher service amps.

- Plumbing....with a detached garage, you need a restroom in there and place to wash your hands at a minimum. Depending how crazy you get, a shower might be in order. Also, I'd consider a wash sink in the garage. You won't use it every day, but very nice to have.

- Lighting. You could spend a career doing that. As far as the building structure goes, have you considered using windows in the garage door? Or possibly skylights in the roof?

- If you do a lift, plan on for reinforced/thickened concrete slabs in those area. Also you don't want saw cuts where the legs will be placed.
 
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more pics to come once grading is done then footings and frame maybe but its either work or hold camera
 

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Unless your truck is a low rider you need the 8 foot tall doors which will require 9 foot or taller walls. Depending on building codes you will probably have to have a run of block on the slab anyways so your lumber won't be an issue. I have a 2010 Dodge with tow mirror and I have to fold them in to get in my 9 foot doors.
 
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ok final got slab poured today been awile my mother had a stroke then we found mold in their house so i have been delayed but not stoppedi will be framing all week and hope fully roofing next sat View media item 34641
 
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end up at 24 x 40 we have a long narrow lot and this gave me the most square feet for the buck that i could have with exsisting structure the house plus side is that 24 foot trusses are about half the cost of 30 foot trusses
 
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