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You'd think that if one were looking for the best precision screwdrivers, one would check to see what watchmakers around the world (and the watch factories themselves, like Rolex and Patek Philippe) use. The work they do is the very definition of precision, and they spend more hours per day with a precision screwdriver in their hands than just about anyone.

And they don't use Wera or Wiha. They use Bergeon.
 
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You'd think that if one were looking for the best precision screwdrivers, one would check to see what watchmakers around the world (and the watch factories themselves, like Rolex and Patek Philippe) use. The work they do is the very definition of precision, and they spend more hours per day with a precision screwdriver in their hands than just about anyone.

And they don't use Wera or Wiha. They use Bergeon.

Watchmaking seems to favor slotted screws, I presume with some other types thrown in.
Cameras and electronics seem to favor Phillips, JIS, Torx, Hex, etc.

For watchmaking, I presume Bergeon or Horotec might be prefered.
I’m not sure about in Jspan, since they also have a major watchmaking industry.
 

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Bergeon look nice, but their selection doesn't include Torx, Torx Plus, SAE hex, or the three smallest metric hex sizes. I'm sure they're nice for watchmakers, but probably not the best option for a more general use precision set.
 

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I work in electronics repair, and we use (and thoroughly abuse) Wiha screwdrivers and they just don't give up. I'd love to try out the Wera stuff as it also seems top notch, but at home I don't do a lot of repair anymore, and can get by with a far cheaper set.
 

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You'd think that if one were looking for the best precision screwdrivers, one would check to see what watchmakers around the world (and the watch factories themselves, like Rolex and Patek Philippe) use. The work they do is the very definition of precision, and they spend more hours per day with a precision screwdriver in their hands than just about anyone.

And they don't use Wera or Wiha. They use Bergeon.


Watchmaker's screwdrivers is a whole separate category from Precision screwdrivers. (hardened non magnetic stainless steel, replaceable blades and limited to slotted styles only and often as small as .5mm)

A nice 10 pc set will run close to $300 and you'll still need Precision screwdrivers to pick up where these leave off.

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Watchmaker's screwdrivers is a whole separate category from Precision screwdrivers. (hardened non magnetic stainless steel, replaceable blades and limited to slotted styles only and often as small as .5mm)

A nice 10 pc set will run close to $300 and you'll still need Precision screwdrivers to pick up where these leave off.

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I can't say I've ever seen a watchmaker use a stainless screwdriver. Hardened stainless non-magnetic tweezers, absolutely yes. Screwdrivers, nope, never. I see that Bergeon has introduced them, and my guess is that they're made to be used on stainless bracelets (where contact with ordinary steel could potentially lead to corrosion), but watch movement screws themselves are never stainless, so stainless screwdrivers would be inappropriate (in the same way that stainless screwdrivers and other tools are inappropriate for non-horological uses).

As for non-magnetic, if a watchmaker's hardened steel screwdriver gets magnetized (and they do), the solution is to run it over your demagnetizer.

Oh, and the good old Bergeon 30009 set with hardened steel blades is a mere $129. Personally though, I use a knockoff set. The truth is that knowing how to sharpen one of these is the most important part of owning them.

And I agree. Watchmakers screwdrivers only cover you for slotted screws. Anything else, and you'll need to buy elsewhere.
 

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Just picked up a 6 piece Wiha set from Amazon for $15.50 with free shipping. Didn't really need them since the set I've had for 20 years is still fine, but couldn't pass up the lightning deal.
 

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Depends a lot on how you use them. I really like the "master" wiha set i have, but specifically because I prefer the 1 finger on the spinning cap and thumb and middle finger to drive the screwdriver grip. Others have talked about placing the palm on the cap, and I would find that less comfortable, and unnecessary (for downward pressure) as well as slower in 95% of my uses. I didnt' buy the Weras because the wide caps make that less comfortable.

So, figure out how you want or do hold the thing, then make a purchase based on what fits that.
 

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Wera is the absolute best and no-one even comes close. They actually put some serious thought into the design. You can go from high torque to high speed just by moving your thumb and forefinger from the hexagon hump to the skinny part of the handle. (like shifting gears)
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Wiha is #2 only because of the breadth of their offering. (their Pico series are much better then their std. ones). They should move the entire lineup to the Pico design but it still won't be as good as Wera.

I like that gear analogy! I never thought of it like that but you're exactly right. I disagree on the Picos, though. New or old, I don't think they're worth the premium over Wiha's standard line based on handle ergonomics. Perhaps the current ones also have different tips. My Wiha standard ones are old enough that half of them are stamped "W. Germany" and half stamped "Germany."

I've used precision screwdrivers from all of the quality screwdriver makers.

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My thoughts, going mostly from left to right.

Wiha (Germany): They just work well and have every conceivable size. Note that handle size varies based on blade length on classic and possibly Pico as well: longer blades have bigger handles. Picofinish is not worth the premium over standard Wiha. The difference between old (white "PicoFinish" text) and new (red molded "wiha" text) are inconsequential in use. The cap is a little taller on the new one, but the bottom bolster is in the same spot.

PB Swiss (Switzerland): The current line handles (SwissGrip) are a little flexy, but comfortable and grippy. The new handles are better than the old ones. The old slotted ones had Swiss norm tips, but the SwissGrip are standard hollow ground. US pricing is higher than Wiha, Wera, Felo, or Witte, but are cheaper than the rebranded parts sold by Stahlwille, Hazet, or Gedore. (German brand pricing from KC Tool.) Like Wiha, the handles on the old ones vary with blade size. SwissGrip handles do not.

Vessel (Japan): Tip seems fine, but the handle is notably slimmer than the others and is awkward in use. Flawed handle ergonomics are made worse by the longer than usual blades.

Wera (Czechia): Great handle, great tips. Uniform handle size.

Felo (Germany): Both the red and blue are great. The thicker handle with cushioned finger grip is a matter of taste. Somewhat limited size range.

Witte/Stahlwille (Germany): The old handle (Stahwille between Felo and Hazet) is great, but the new one is really flexy and generally unimpressive feeling. Put some force to them they feel as if they may come apart at the joint between the too-long spinner cap and main handle. Do not recommend. Then again, if you hate Wera's handle ergonomics these may be just right for you.

Oplast - Hazet, Gedore, current Elora (Slovenia): Handle is nice, tips seem strong enough. Single handle size. The drawbacks are they are generally more expensive, with fewer size options under each brand. Here, Elora's cap is a little more jerky than Gedore and Hazet. That may be sample variation (1 screwdriver from each brand), or there may be some selection going on.

Elora (Germany - unknown OEM): Likely discontinued, but a fine screwdriver. Equivalent to classic Wiha.

USAG (France): I really like the handle shape, but the mold release ridges are prominent and irritate one's fingers in use. Facom uses the same handle. If Facom are finished better then they would be a good choice. Handle size varies by blade length.

SK (France - Bost OEM): Purchased on eBay as NOS in a clear plastic snap pouch, but just terrible. The cap does not spin well, and the tips are the softest in this group. The short length could be useful if the tool were of sufficient quality. I've used standard Bost screwdrivers that were fine, but these are, again, terrible.
 

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I worked on laptops for many years. Worked on a couple of camera lenses in my time also. Always used those cheapy junk sets with the handle having a built-in extension and multiple tips. Hated them. Still do. But I was unwilling to spring the money on really good ones. Still am.

If you're willing to spend the money, definitely buy the good ones. Wiha and Wera are perhaps the most mentioned brands in these kinds of conversations. Probably can't go wrong with either. Has to be about a million times better than buying junk.
 

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I've got a couple of wiha's, they're well built and nicely finished. I am however under the strong impression that wera ones are more comfortable to use.

I think that I might buy a set of wera's in the long run (I only have two wiha's that I had to buy to disassemble my laptop)

It depends on how you define "comfortable". The Wera ones seem to be a lot longer than your average precision screwdriver.
 

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It depends on how you define "comfortable". The Wera ones seem to be a lot longer than your average precision screwdriver.
The Weras are my preferred brand for precision drivers. The handles are a little shorter than the largest standard Wiha. In fact, I find the Wera handle more comfortable than any of the Wihas, and far more so than the small Wihas. Imo, the smallest Wihas are just terrible in terms of comfort. My hand doesn't get any smaller just because the fastener is smaller...

Edit: correction - the largest standard Wiha handle is longer than the Wera. The medium Wiha is about the same as the Wera, and the small Wiha is shorter than the Wera. For my hand, the Wera is just right.

Here are my drawers:

Hex:
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Torx, Torx Plus, Phillips, Slotted:
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Nutdrivers:
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Elora (Germany - unknown OEM): Likely discontinued, but a fine screwdriver. Equivalent to classic Wiha.

Those are made by Walter Schroder. I have a CK branded set and the spinner caps are on a little too tight, but that's easily remedied.

Hex, I'd go for Wera; everything else, Wiha or PB Swiss.
 

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Those are made by Walter Schroder. I have a CK branded set and the spinner caps are on a little too tight, but that's easily remedied.

Hex, I'd go for Wera; everything else, Wiha or PB Swiss.

Yep, that's it. Good catch!

The cap on the Elora branded one is about the same as the others, and better than the Oplast made Elora or the Bost made SK.
 

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If anyone is into 4mm sets, this one from Amazon is pretty nice for $20. The handle is supurb quality. The cap appears to be a ball bearing swivel like on high end Swiss jewelers screwdrivers, the machined knurling looks and feels really nice and it even has a pop out extension.

The downside is the bits which are mediocre. I bought it just for the handle which is much better then the one you get with the Wiha micro bit set.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QZLV03O/?tag=atomicindus08-20

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Use it with these bits. Wiha's 4mm micro bits are best of class.:

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Facom precision screwdrivers are comfortable to use and great quality. The ESD versions have been discontinued but the standard ones are available in sets or open stock.

Are Facom finished more carefully than USAG? The handle shape is ergonomic, but fit-and-finish on my two USAG ones is poor enough to affect comfort in use.
 

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If anyone is into 4mm sets, this one from Amazon is pretty nice for $20. The handle is supurb quality. The cap appears to be a ball bearing swivel like on high end Swiss jewelers screwdrivers, the machined knurling looks and feels really nice and it even has a pop out extension.

The downside is the bits which are mediocre. I bought it just for the handle which is much better then the one you get with the Wiha micro bit set.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00QZLV03O/?tag=atomicindus08-20

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I have this set and agree with the above, both for the handle (great) and bits (so-so).
 

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Here's another option. This little guy (ES121) is a motion controlled cordless screwdriver that accepts 4mm micro bits.

It has a micro USB port for charging/firmware updates and an OLED display screen.

You can select from various parameters such as torque and acceleration.

You simply twist the screwdriver to the right with motion control and it'll accelerate CW RPM in proportion to your twist motion. (or CCW) Or you can select constant RPM and various torque settings.

When it's in standby mode the bit will not rotate so you can apply lots of manual torque for breakaway. (like a manual screwdriver)

The tool seems like it's really high quality including the bits.
 

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I got tired of never having the exact tool that I needed, so when Wiha had a big factory sale last Christmas, I bought the whole kit and kaboodle. All in a fitted tray. Having done that, I don't think I've needed ANY of them since. lol.
 

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I got tired of never having the exact tool that I needed, so when Wiha had a big factory sale last Christmas, I bought the whole kit and kaboodle. All in a fitted tray. Having done that, I don't think I've needed ANY of them since. lol.

That's how it goes. But just remind yourself how well you sleep now, knowing you have anything you will ever need.
 

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The Weras are my preferred brand for precision drivers. The handles are a little shorter than the largest standard Wiha. In fact, I find the Wera handle more comfortable than any of the Wihas, and far more so than the small Wihas. Imo, the smallest Wihas are just terrible in terms of comfort. My hand doesn't get any smaller just because the fastener is smaller...

Edit: correction - the largest standard Wiha handle is longer than the Wera. The medium Wiha is about the same as the Wera, and the small Wiha is shorter than the Wera. For my hand, the Wera is just right.

Here are my drawers:

Hex:
20190429_172058.jpg

Torx, Torx Plus, Phillips, Slotted:
20190429_172112.jpg

Nutdrivers:
20190429_172137.jpg

I have a few of the Wera ones and I was comparing them to my old Craftsman ones.
 

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You'd think that if one were looking for the best precision screwdrivers, one would check to see what watchmakers around the world (and the watch factories themselves, like Rolex and Patek Philippe) use. The work they do is the very definition of precision, and they spend more hours per day with a precision screwdriver in their hands than just about anyone.

And they don't use Wera or Wiha. They use Bergeon.



Actually, the preferred choice is Horotec over Bergeon.
And this goes for the independent watchmakers who make Rolex and Patek look like the pedestrian, “Joe-six pack of beer” option.
I like my Horotecs, but I only use them for watchmaking.
My precision electronics screwdrivers are from Vessel, Wiha, PB Swiss, Facom. I like the Vessel Japan drivers the best.
I also bought the French made USAG set but have not used it yet.
I probably have 60 micro-screwdrivers of various types.
 

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Here's another option. This little guy (ES121) is a motion controlled cordless screwdriver that accepts 4mm micro bits.

i've been curious about that one since it came out, but i've never seen a review that goes into its torque settings. i sort of remember that you get maybe 4 or so settings, but how repeatable and useful are they? how good is it at avoiding overdriving fasteners, especially into soft materials like plastic? wish someone could share their experience with it from that angle.
 
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i've been curious about that one since it came out, but i've never seen a review that goes into its torque settings. i sort of remember that you get maybe 4 or so settings, but how repeatable and useful are they? how good is it at avoiding overdriving fasteners, especially into soft materials like plastic? wish someone could share their experience with it from that angle.

It has motion controlled speed control. Twist your wrist CCW and it slows down to a crawl or twist your wrist CW to get full speed. I've found that's the best way to control torque. It also has pre-programmed torque settings but I've always used mine on full torque. I really haven't experimented with the lower torque settings.

Since it has planetary gears you can also use it manually and turn it by hand if you're doing something really sensitive and by feel.

I'm really impressed with it.
 
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In my opinion wiha witte and wera (All German brands) make really good reasonably priced precision drivers. I do small electronic stuff and I like the wiha set that I have.
How hard have you been on the Wiha? Really like how easy it is to find what I need on their sight and the warrenty but so worried about them holding up!
 

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I serviced electronic and laptops for years, I have tried many brands. Honestly, I would buy a low cost Taiwanese set. The ends are very precise and made of good steel. The spinner on the ends are very good. I would save money on screwdrivers and spend it on other tools
 

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I prefer the one above but this over is cheaper


I have other sets that are not name brand as well as individual tools that are, for example, sets of precision screwdrivers or torx. For electronics you may need special or security bits
 

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So now we have the proof which are the best ones ;)
There are two kinds of countries, Monte, those that use metric… and those that have been to the moon.

I know that NASA uses metric…
 

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I can just tell you what I've seen. Dunno if they're the 'best'.

Techs using Wiha sets...EEs using those little box sets of Xcelite
 
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