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Best quality pliers?

Rocklim

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nice stahlwille pliers !! :drool: :drool:




i don´t know, maybe they thought its time for something new , fresh ?

Here a video about the new handles:

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I watched the video before u posted it . Which Shop In USA got sell NWS Tools with cheaper price ?
 
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HandyManny

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About 85% of all my pliers are Channellock. But I do own about three pair if Knipex (Dykes, Cobras, and Alligators). A few Klien, S-K, Lisle, and Wilde too.

If I could chose only one brand overall it would be Channellock. I like the others a lot too, but have the most faith in my Channellocks. By the way as far as the comparison of a Jeep vs a Mecedes sedan - I don't see the comparison myself, but you can go anywhere in a Jeep, not so much for a Mercedes sedan :)
 

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Knipex Cobra will soon be available cheap at Lowes when the final closeout begins. the 7/10 sets are mostly gone now, and were a bargain at $29, cannot find a store with any more of them in Atlanta. Other Knipex will be reduced in the future, keep your eyes open. For the money this is the best deal.

Never used or saw a NWS before, I agree they are NICE, and probably worth the money, depends on what you want to spend.

Channellock is a great USA made product and I've found new or nearly new WITCO (Wilde Tools) and Diamond pliers at the flea marked in large quantities, they are nice and tight. The Diamonds are compact for their size and I like their feel.

Charles
 

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i'll watch out for this.
i would guess Knipex will be replaced with the *NEW* kobalt :p
 

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Got some new NWS. They do seem extremely nice, I love the finish, and the cutters cut paper and such very easy. If anybody has equivalent old hadles (no white/light gray) like arachnotron has posted above, I would consider trading.

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Them Stihlwille look like my Knipex. I do have many Channellocks and couple Snap-On. The first week I had the Snap-On needle nose pliers I was working on my rat motor and tried to grab a hold of something about 1/4" round and the handle broke! SO Rep replaced it and told not to grip stuff like that or they will break. Well never broke ane Knipex but willing to try NWS for FFG (feel, fit & grip) quality.

Thanks, JASTECH
 

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Is there an American source for the NWS pliers other than Chad's Toolbox?
 

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KLEIN TOOLS HANDS DOWN!!!!!! They have been around since 1857 and I work for a company (for which I am an apprentice) over 300 strong in the field and 90% use Kleins. Made in USA in Chicago, IL. They make the best linesman pliers hands down for sure, as well as the best cable cutters, diagonal pliers, and long nose/needle nose pliers. They also make many type of specialty pliers such as iron worker pliers, special use pliers ect.. As for as an example of quality, most of the electricians I work with, under, or around, have been using their some pair of Kleins for 10, 15, and some of the older guys even as long as 30 years, and still in great, fully functional, working condition. So my opinion, as i said before.......
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"Knipex are no better than channellock." Have to disagree with you on that.....have you owned both?
"Knipex makes my favorite dikes" Agree with this.

I have and use Channellocks, but I would reach for Klein over them. I used Klein as a low voltage guy for years.....excellent. My tool guy kept after me to try the Knipex dikes.... I did....no question that they are better than Klein or Channellock...yes I own all three.. The Cobras are a new addition to my box....havent used them enough to say.
 
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"Knipex are no better than channellock." Have to disagree with you on that.....have you owned both?

I have Knipex and Channellock and Channellocks are much much better and they don't break like the Knipex.

The Knipex pliers wrench and wire cutters are nice.
 

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About 85% of all my pliers are Channellock. But I do own about three pair if Knipex (Dykes, Cobras, and Alligators). A few Klien, S-K, Lisle, and Wilde too.

If I could chose only one brand overall it would be Channellock. I like the others a lot too, but have the most faith in my Channellocks. By the way as far as the comparison of a Jeep vs a Mecedes sedan - I don't see the comparison myself, but you can go anywhere in a Jeep, not so much for a Mercedes sedan :)

Channellock, and Klein pliers are like Cadillac, American finest
NWS pliers have BMW German flamboyant
Knipex pliers have Mercedes Benz finesse
 

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I have Knipex and Channellock and Channellocks are much much better and they don't break like the Knipex.

The Knipex pliers wrench and wire cutters are nice.

I would like too see a broken Knipex that has been used correctly :headshake
Have never heard or seen any Knipex broken.

No offence but i think Channellock looks like they were made before the 2nd world war.

But on the other side, dont change anything that works? :headscrat
 

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whats the general opinion on fuller pliers? i believe they are american but made offshore (japan?)
 

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I argue on this forum about hand tools and quality but at the leading edge is the plier,,, maybe more than the socket/ wrench where almost all of them today are fine, the plier is where the rubber hits the road. Cheap adjustable has come up n quality but in pliers there is still an edge,,, just like the 36 inch connector or sleever bar, the guy that invent it and its standards, the angles etc make it unique, same for the channelok, same for the number 9 plier and the high leverage diagonal.

I probably have a couple dozen 12 inch mainly channeloks in service, I bought some with an inovative design,,,, big mistake, would trade 2 for one standard which is unique, the leverage, standard design way back in the day when men were men etc has not been improved on one lick, even knockoffs just cant get it right, I havnt seen every top end type unit but as I said, dozens of the standard which I reach for first or "pocket" on my way out.

A China 6$ lineman pliers works almost as good as a Klien or Diamond, almost,, when new,, but in rugged trade level service, cutting stuff you aint sposed to, they dull in a hurry. I need a couple new diagonal due to the fact some cheap stuff meant for tractors has somehow creeped its way in to general service and I find myself looking for "the good ones"

In wrenches and sockets I rarely make this distinction, some on screwdrivers but noticce it huge on the plier/vise grip. As an investment where multiples are needed go to the standard again,,, no fancy jaws and while a couple round jaw grips may be useful about 90% or more of the time its 10 R straight jaw, a pair or 2 of 6's maybe a needle nose grip but the rest are in the way in my search for the standard, again, I am sure there are some hi end equivelents but the cheap 2.50 or %$ version isnt the same especially when you are usually in less than ideal situation to begin with at this point.
 

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There are a lot of mechanics dont understand an electron, I am not one of them, its too mentally challenging in the long run, I am the instant gratification class. Nobody,,, but nobody, well almost no body but maybe a savy engineer with several IQ point advantage beats up on me about fastener R&R, stuck fastener and PM level fastener management from a fleet perspective.

I have had highly experienced men who in reflection come back, said, I learned a lot about that especially from a practical perspective and you made me a beliver, can see it in the time I worked here. We use a lot of used old equipment, keep it a long time.

Most guys I have to keep on about the spray, in my career about one followed that explicit instruction to A t,,, A guy that was used to having a boss but also very experienced in proto, maintenance etc and the day I hired him he asked,,, anything special you want me to do,,, I said,,, spray all the nuts bolts, he said,,, it will be done, never had to mention it again in fact he often said,,, sprayed them up, test fit, etc, all tidy. In about 4 years this guy broke about 1 bolt as I can remember, he would even go so far as to stop, we get together to solve ahead of a problem or take corrective steps, weld out problems etc.

The guy has since moved on, many times I wish I had him back in special circumstances where he is superior to myself, reading technical service manuals etc. He liked to read them and I was paying by the hour, ha but it was effort well spent when he would come off the stool and say,,, I know how it works now, I could get a 5 minute tutorial or summary.

With this in mind I often multiplied the effort by PM servicing multiple units and part orders at the same time. I would say, we got 8, we just service one, one leaking,,, they all 20 yrs old lets do them all.
 
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i've been using channellock brand pliers for over 25 years.
couple years ago i picked up some mac branded pliers in a trade.
all nearly new, but the quality of the dykes left a little to be desired.
in the same swap, i got a pair of knipex dykes. they've been my "go to" pliers ever since.

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Guys----'Ya know, I think we need to wake up.

The NWS pliers LOOK amazing...but not too long ago, a Fellow PipeFighter/Plumper posted a well written evaluation on a set of the Top-of-the-Line NWS pliers, and to be honest, they failed miserably.

Looks do count....as does design, but above all else-the life of the tool, for true USERS has Got to come first!

If a manufacture is going to ask me to pay $80 for a pair of pliers, it sure as hell better last.

If someone can find that thread, I'd like to see a link posted to this thread. At that cost, I, first and foremost, need tools that will last-my lifetime at least. I'm a true user.
 

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If not a lifetime some severe service. I really dont consider "lifetime" as much as what they do when they do it. Its a lot less gut wrenching to place a 15 or 20$ set of pliers in someones hand, especially where loss rate should be considered, than it is an 80$ pair and from a long time hard user don't think the conventional brand tool in this case can be significantly improved on despite throwing gobs of cash at it. I turn hundreds and hundreds of connections with them each year, real high frequency use, way beyond what any part timer could ever manage, not only that some tools in my fleet have multiple users, they are in a "pool"

I bought a pair of 12's last summer at a flea for 7$, the jaws and the pin fit were super and only difference between them and new as a little on the finish,,, which matched the other dozen pair and I put them in shop pool or on a cart, could feel the difference between having an extra pair out of 3 or 4 when it was added, a little less looking with an extra unit in a fleet.

These types of tools so widely used they really don't have a 'Home" but some "stations" they land at when picked up. I need to simply toss a pait of 12's n this bench, really no good place to hang a pair, wrenches are easy.
 

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SBerry---Very well said, in the above post. Also, I have quite a bit in common with the man that use to work with/for you. I read literature that comes with equipment...only it takes me years to get through to my boss on how things SHOULD be installed...it kills me. And he seems to hate to give me time to read the material.....and I'm getting tired of taking it home.

Good employee's that truly care about their job, and doing it above the norm, are not that hard to find...You just have to pay a bit more.
 
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In my case I am working om mostly my equipment, a bit for others but I really dont care to, everyone loves the work but difficult to get paid for the fussing like we may do on our own based on decisions about life/and use etc, some we keep a long time and want to stretch between service/reman, may even work something to be good for the life of the unit etc, huge set of numbers when looking at long term issues that may not be practical in general service.
 

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This is why I enjoy the import argument,,, or the cheap tool vs the truck brand issue. My perspectivve may differ from a "tech" providing his own tools from his own pocket. I supply all in my shop, if we need it,,, or need another I get it and I love the cost alternative especially when dealling with numbers of multiples. I don't have a long history with as many cheap sockets as common combination wrenches,,, I owned all USA early on and it wasnt until I needed many additionals that we tested stuff for lack of better wording and can say with almost statistical fact that if a guy cant get it done with plain wrench 99.9% of the time its the mechanic while uttering some words such as "I can't" incoherantly in a sentance,,,, as I said, the plier/grip is somewhat different issue. I was out a while back, needed a tool and all I could find handy was a knockoff grip we had placed for use as a clamp,,, some stuck deal and it was a case where the quality of the tool REALLY did matter, I gave up after a minute and resorted to going for a good one, told my helper,,, no matter what I try this wont work, the tool is simply not strong enough.

I have about 10 of the truck wrenches, in small stuff and the flank drive, the fit and all, leverage etc has paid off over the years, paid 100 or so 30 yrs ago, there is a time and place a 12 pt china MIT isnt going to get it but I dont need to invest own and polish a full set of evey type they ever invent.

People like to fuss over the amount of money they got in their tool box, its a moot issue for me and cant tell what the resale value of mine or what it is worth other than to say it would be well into 6 figures provided I had to score every piece at retail off a truck not to include any finance etc that it would incur since I couldnt keep up out of pocket.

What it boils down to is I will take a set of Stanley any day I can buy with good lunch money vs the first of may payments for the "best" which from real world practical experience,,,,, including long term use,, has a huge return and great life expectancy,,, I can say that pretty much as a statistical fact without any flag waving etc or some other emotional pitch but pretty much based on real world experience backet up with some testimonial even from here,,, one said we were poor in tools and his boss finally march down to HF and tool up and in the class 8 truck shop with multiple abusers the stuff holds up fine.
 
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Something I have noticed over the years is that what is "best" is determined more by your application and needs than anything else. The second determining factor should be your own personal feel for the tool. I've bought some stuff based on rave reviews from others, and that system has about an 80% failure rate FOR ME. Pliers have made up more than half of those bad purchases.

I have long ago discovered that if anything has a handle labelled as "ergonomic", it hurts my hands after a while of using it. For example, if Brand "X" developed a super diagonal cutter that could cut through a 1/2"-13 tap without dulling, but you cannot use them comfortably, then what good are they?

Take others' reviews into account for durability/quality, but trust your own feel before jumping out and buying anything.
 

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Sense I have been collecting tools sense 1955 I have all the brands new and old. All of the old plires form 50 to 100 years ago are tops. They are as good if not better than any tool made today. If you get used side cutters make sure there are no gouges in the cutting edge. People try to cut too much with them and they screw them up.
I never pay more than $3 fro a pr and that includes all the Channellocks, vicegrips etc.
Except for the very larger ones. I have over 200 plires in my different shops.
I have sold all the new snappies and other good brands because my old cheap ones work better.

If they say US a and are not pitted with rust buy them for under $3 and save yourself a ton of money. They work great.
 

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whats the general opinion on fuller pliers? i believe they are american but made offshore (japan?)

Rubbish; low-end Chinese for many years...

Once upon a time - in the 1970s and 1980s - Fuller pliers were sourced from Japan and were very good.

The only thing that Fuller makes anymore that is even worth a look are the "Made in Canada" screwdrivers. They can best be described as decent quality - not world-beaters, but quite respectable.
 

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Buy channellock, help an American even though he is a Meadville bulldog.

I would say this is a great place to buy American, they are a good value, there are vendors willing to be competitive. The tool is a leader in its class. I am sure there are the 3 dollar deals out there, the ones I see at that price are usually well worn, some profesional used them hard.
 
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My vote goes to channellock. Tough as nails, made in U.S.A., cheap, and easy to warranty if needed. Most expensive doesn't always equal "best"
 

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Back when SK & Facom were in the midst of breaking off relations and Sears had some killer sales on Facom stuff, I picked up the 3-pack of slip-joint, needle-nose, and side-cutter pliers.

They've served me well for 8 or so years. The jaws grip better than any Craftman ones I've had. The handles are nicely shaped to hold and use and have held up to grease well. They're not overweight with metal; they have a sort of "just thick enough" construction that seems to almost "give" or bend if you really grasp hard but you never need to grasp them that hard for them to do their job.

I'd buy more but they're not well distributed in the U.S. so I'll bother when I really need some other models.
 
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