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Do you use a lot of 5/16" bits? Just curious, I don't really see those around a bunch...

I think I would use them if I could get a ratchet for them. I have a lot of 5/16" insert bits for my hand impact driver.

I got a Mac MR5BD bit ratchet a while back with a 100+ piece set of bits. I found that it was incredibly useful; so I built a flex SO 831 into a bit ratchet, and like it too. What I would like to have is something similar to the 831 flex bit ratchet that takes 5/16", for larger torx and hex sizes. The 831 is just a bit light duty for the larger sizes.

I know I can just use my dedicated bit sockets or a 5/16 x 3/8 drive bit socket and an insert; but I'd prefer the dedicated ratchet for a bit shorter length. Sometimes that really comes in handy.
 
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Know that, even know which one I want. The 2774P-5/16HF It's unobtanium in the US as far as I can tell; my question is does anybody know where you can actually buy one? I don't comprehend Japanese to buy one comfortably from a website in Japan. Plus, don't really want to pay $40 for shipping for it.
https://global.rakuten.com/en/store/i-tools/item/4991644020621/

Pretty much illustrates your point - lots of good tools out there, some just not easy to lay your hands on.
 

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In the $50 / ratchet price range, what's the best bet?

The one that's caught my eye are the Proto Flex Head series (J5257F)
 
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and how many ratchets for your $50.
Just 1. I'd like to be in for a set of 3 for about $150.

I'd like a higher POE ratchet, a 72+, and with a flex head on the 3/8 and 1/4.

I tend to shy away from used because I'm not up on exactly what to look for, and which models are/were problematic. So if it requires a snap/gut decision on whether it's good, I'm not clueful enough make it without some google time. I'm a hobby level guy who doesn't want to keep exchanging my Craftsman out for the same issue over and over.

Overall, thanks for the detailed answer, I'll search around on some of your recommendations.
 

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Buying off EBay isn't a bad idea. I have bought a couple SKs off eBay for cheap. Parts are easy to come buy if needed. If you buy a used Snap On pear head I wouldn't worry. Even if the gear or pawl is bad, rebuild kits are cheap and you'll basically have a new ratchet. Carlyle is a good ratchet too and found in any NAPA. I only have one and it's a straight long handle 1/2 drive. I use it over my GW 120xp flex.

I have the 4 piece sit of GW 120xp flex and they're decent, not great but not terrible. The flex joint has more movement than I like. The 1/2 drive is pretty thick but how many times are you in a tight spot with 1/2 drive? When you have some time, stop in Advanced Auto and NAPA to compare ratchets. When you ask the best ratchet for $50, you get a wide range of opinions. Good news, they're several great options today.
 

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Know that, even know which one I want. The 2774P-5/16HF It's unobtanium in the US as far as I can tell; my question is does anybody know where you can actually buy one? I don't comprehend Japanese to buy one comfortably from a website in Japan. Plus, don't really want to pay $40 for shipping for it.

I'd say send Franks tools or another vendor an email seeing if they'd special order one.
 

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You can order new proto aviation style full polish ratchets
I ended up ordering the 1/4" version, I found it for ~$30 on ebay (new). It's not a high POE or a flex head, but those features are wants and not needs on the 1/4".
 
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I agree with you that my preferences are colored by where I live.

Fair enough.

Where Gedore, Toptul, Koken, etc are common and a person can get them easily, see them, try them out; most people will prefer and use those in preference to something that they may have a hard time getting.

I'm not sure why. There's no reason to have tunnel vision when there's a globe of product out there. What if, for example, a French person likes shiny and does not like Facom for whatever reason? That person may well seek out an American or Japanese ratchet, as German companies don't do shiny.

My bottom line is that geographic tunnel vision precludes any reasoned discussion of relative quality (i.e. "best"). Geographic tunnel vision limits the discussion to "what a given person is willing to settle for."

I haven't personally seen or used the Facom Proto ratchets, so have no knowledge base to compare them. I guess, based on your internet review as "too shiny", I should reject them,

I would not say reject it. It's a good tool and standout value at current prices. While its flex head mechanism is simplistic and less effective than Gedore's, you can at least tighten the screw and get it to more-or-less stay in place in any position. That said, my most used 1/4" drive ratchet is actually a...Felo. Yes, the screwdriver company.

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As you can see above has their "Ergonic" screwdriver handle, which I really like. Its 72-tooth mechanism (presumably outsourced) is slightly smoother than the 1/4" drive Facom, which is itself a step smoother than my 1/4" drive Toptul flex head. Backdrag is comparable to my stubby 1/4" drive Koken, which rarely gets used because the handle isn't very comfortable. The Felo ratchet with a Gedore GU-3 flex style head mechanism is my idea of "the best" 1/4" drive ratchet for me. Alas, Felo only sells this one, and Gedore only offers 3/8" drive and 1/2" drive flex head ratchets.

BTW, I like shiny over the matte chrome on tools... I guess that's why manufacturers make both.

They do? Do you have examples? Generally I've seen shiny ratchets from the American companies, Japanese companies, Southwestern European companies, and Asian companies focused on the US. By contrast, I've generally seen matte ratchets from Northwestern European companies and Asian companies focused on the EU.

I want to order an "import" ratchet. Snap-on doesn't make it, but Koken does, and it looks a lot like the Snap-on ones in other sizes. It's a 2774P-5/16HF.

Call or email an English-speaking distributor I guess. Can't help you on warranty, because honestly I think it's a little gauche to "warranty" a product because one wore it out. The trucks build it into the price so I guess that's OK with their products.

You just cost me money, I mean helped me find a tool I've been looking for. :)
A few months ago I found a situation where a flex head bit ratchet would've been really useful. But in searching the only one I found was this Facom (also sold as USAG).

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That one appears to have the same mushy, wobbly mechanism as my Wera bit ratchet. I was loathe to spend 80 bucks on it, so I didn't. It never occurred to me that Koken makes bit ratchets, but your post prompted me to find, and order, this:

http://www.kokenusa.com/products/model/623

Thank you! I'll do an internet review of it after it arrives and I've used it a few times ;)

.Best locking flex. Matco (Only design that can be unlocked and used as a standard flex.)

Gedore's can, too. The locking mechanism is a dial, not a button.

Sorry, but the only other notable country I ignored was Germany, and that's because their ratchets are junk. They're just finally playing catch-up 15 years later by leaving the era of clunky 30 tooth and 20tooth mechanisms.

I can't tell if that's provincialism or willful ignorance. Every German ratchet maker of note has 60+ tooth ratchets available. Even the small makers, such as Elora, have finer tooth ratchets. And they all have for quite a while.

The Gedore 1993 GU-3 I posted above is a 72-tooth ratchet. The design is over 7 years old, because I bought mine about that look ago.

In the $50 / ratchet price range, what's the best bet?

The one that's caught my eye are the Proto Flex Head series (J5257F)

I'd go with your instinct. The "FUP" ratchets are a really good value at current pricing. ("FUP" - Facom-designed, USAG-made, Proto-branded). They are cheaper than the Gearwrench equivalents!

Someone else recommended the Proto 45-tooth with two knurled rings. I have one of those in 3/8" drive. It feels crude and clunky compared to the FUP, and the finish quality is inferior, yet as a standalone part it costs more! (Mine came in a socket set.) Zoro should have a coupon going right now to make the FUP flex heads an even better deal.
 

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The Gearwrench ratchets strength wise are rated at 180% of ANSI or ISO standards. The 120xp & 84t have many teeth engaged to ratchet gear (like other good fine tooth rats). They are pretty decent value although some folks like myself did not like the ratcheting pawl spring preload (ie baccus drargus). After removing 1/2 a spring coil at a time until you get the pawl preloaded where you like it, they become a totally different tool. Just be prepared to reassemble & test after each little change is made to the spring. When you get it right you'll have Japanese style back drag on a super strong dual pawl design head. They could loose a little bulk, not the smallest heads but very functional and strong nice to use rats when 'tuned' a little.
 

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Just 1. I'd like to be in for a set of 3 for about $150.

I'd like a higher POE ratchet, a 72+, and with a flex head on the 3/8 and 1/4.

What's "POE"?

I'd go with your instinct. The "FUP" ratchets are a really good value at current pricing. ("FUP" - Facom-designed, USAG-made, Proto-branded). They are cheaper than the Gearwrench equivalents!

Those "FUP" - do they come in quick release?
 

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One ratchet I like is my 80t Wera 3/8" zyklop. It has a big convex QR button, nice small sealed head and a handle shape that feels so much nicer in your hand than chromed round handle, it just feels right. Nice satin finish that dont easily get greasy/slippery. You can tell the designers put a bit of thought into these rats. Back drag could be a little lower. Though they don't get much love round here.
 

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Know that, even know which one I want. The 2774P-5/16HF It's unobtanium in the US as far as I can tell; my question is does anybody know where you can actually buy one? I don't comprehend Japanese to buy one comfortably from a website in Japan. Plus, don't really want to pay $40 for shipping for it.

amazon.co.jp

Wait until they come back in stock, but shipping is generally pretty reasonable. Everything I've ordered from them has gotten to me on the west coast in about a week.
 

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I don't comprehend Japanese to buy one comfortably from a website in Japan.

Amazon Japan allows you to switch the language to English. Some of the machine-generated translations are a bit odd, but you should be able to use the site without too much difficulty.

Same for the huge Japanese eCommerce site Rakuten. They are making a big global push. I've read that they even require all their employees to speak English in the office and at meetings.
 

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Okay,

I'm willing to step away from being provincial for a while. I want to order an "import" ratchet. Snap-on doesn't make it, but Koken does, and it looks a lot like the Snap-on ones in other sizes. It's a 2774P-5/16HF. I can't find one for sale in the US, or for that matter on a website with an english interface.

If you get your hands on that ratchet, I think you'll like it. My 2774P-1/4HF arrived today. Smooth smooth smooth mechanism. Practically no back drag and no slop either. The flex head has detents, so it's not as sophisticated as the larger Gedores. I'm looking forward to putting it to real use. Keep in mind that the Koken is bigger than the typical bit ratchet in every dimension except for head thickness. Here it is, sandwiched between bit ratchets from Wera (meh) and Felo (very nice, but not as smooth as the Koken). I think Hazet, Stahlwille, and Wiha bit ratchets are all similar in size to the Felo/Wera.

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Is it the "best" bit ratchet? Maybe. I wonder if the long handle will get in the way more than the flex head helps. We'll see.
 

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My ratchets are only 3/8th as of now. Mostly I grab my Koken Zeal 3725z ratchet. I really need to buy a 3725z-280. When I need a longer reach or in a tighter space I grab a Armstrong 11-992. For oddball angles I have a sk roto head that I use more than I thought I would. I have a wera zyklop 4033 that is my longest ratchet besides the roto head I guess. I use the zyklop only sometimes nothing wrong with it just don't really like it compared to my other ratchets. I only turn about 8 to 32 5/8ths bolts per day. Mainly I use 5mm,5.5mm,7mm. And use a xcilite 1/4" nut ratchet for that.
 
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There are lots of threads discussing quality and comparisons among different ratchets. It is a very crowded field and it gives pause to how there can be so many manufacturers.

However, rather than Snap On versus GearWrench, what are the best designed and made ratchets regardless of price available today?
Hyper tough round head ratchets are the best ratchets ever made..... I said what I said...
 

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I love my Snap-on ratchets. I have several all of them have a hard or metal handle except one soft grip. Great ratchets. Matco is the best for locking flex heads. Capri is the best value for the money. Great quality with fine teeth. Great warranty too.
 

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I love my Snap-on ratchets. I have several all of them have a hard or metal handle except one soft grip. Great ratchets. Matco is the best for locking flex heads. Capri is the best value for the money. Great quality with fine teeth. Great warranty too.
There are so many nice tool choices now I like to use really ****** ratchets that bust my knuckles makes working on my truck way less boring
 

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Ohhh...... This thread is vintage. I like it!
I echo what many others have said, ratchet preference is mainly subjective. Once you get to a certain price point there are not many "bad" choices when it comes to overall quality. Find what feels the best to you and start building a collection. I have used a variety of brands and have always ending up preferring the feel of Snap-On. I prefer soft grips on my 1/2" stuff as I am typically wearing thicker gloves when using it and I find the extra handle size is easier to control.

**DISCLAMER: This may be due to being fed the Kool-Aid from a young age.**Ratchet farm.png
 

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Ohhh...... This thread is vintage. I like it!
I echo what many others have said, ratchet preference is mainly subjective. Once you get to a certain price point there are not many "bad" choices when it comes to overall quality. Find what feels the best to you and start building a collection. I have used a variety of brands and have always ending up preferring the feel of Snap-On. I prefer soft grips on my 1/2" stuff as I am typically wearing thicker gloves when using it and I find the extra handle size is easier to control.

**DISCLAMER: This may be due to being fed the Kool-Aid from a young age.**Ratchet farm.png

This pleases my OCD

Edit: I love the simplicity and modularity of those ratchets holders. What are they?
 
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And like most have said, it’s all subjective.

I have ratchets I love using but also hate using (huh what?) I love my Koken z-series 3/8” (non quick release) and it’s my go to, however it has such tight tolerances that it’s so difficult to get a socket off of it with oily/greasy hands.

When wrenching it performs flawlessly but when it comes time to switch sockets I’m almost left in tears at my tool box crying to the tool lords above, “whhhyyyyy??!”
 
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Ohhh...... This thread is vintage. I like it!
I echo what many others have said, ratchet preference is mainly subjective. Once you get to a certain price point there are not many "bad" choices when it comes to overall quality. Find what feels the best to you and start building a collection. I have used a variety of brands and have always ending up preferring the feel of Snap-On. I prefer soft grips on my 1/2" stuff as I am typically wearing thicker gloves when using it and I find the extra handle size is easier to control.

**DISCLAMER: This may be due to being fed the Kool-Aid from a young age.**Ratchet farm.png
I might have got a little wood looking at your Ratchet collection
 

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I just did a clutch job and some other work to my 88 E-150, and will say my Snap On and Hazet ratchets are "my" best ratchets. I'll add that a 90 tooth Gear Wrench ratchet worked surprisingly well considering the negative feed back their ratchets get.
 

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I've got a couple Gearwrench 90 toothers i picked up as part of a set (burning up HD gift cards before they expired).
Not bad, but don't really like mushy-handles. Rather have metal, preferably Knurled. HD Husky 72 toothers are/were decent.
HF composite ratchets are great for the price.
 

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I don't know why, but I absolutely love my Proto classic pear-head ratchets with the 24 tooth count. They are stupid easy to disassemble and lube. They are really smooth once some Super Lube is in there. The knurling is just right in my hands. And they are pretty affordable.

The Italian-made roundhead Proto ratchets are a close second (I reach for these the most out of all my ratchets but I feel an emotional connection with the old-school Proto classics which is why they are my favorites) with my Hazet HP line taking third. My SK DTs are also incredible.

My least favorite ratchets, if anyone is curious, are my Wright ratchets. I just can't get into them for some reason. Don't get me wrong, they are nice ratchets but I just really don't like them.
 
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