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Best Shop Compressor and Why?

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Guys

We sell air compressors but mainly to the large industrial mfg shops and hospitals. When we first started, we thought it was going to be residential but our customer base was the opposite.

That said, we have started selling the single and two stage piston compressors and I wanted to see what the most popular compressors were and why?

All feedback is welcome, compressors, mfg support/warranty and delivery.

Maybe we can help you as well.

Thanks in advanced.

Matt
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My dream compressor would be a Saylor-Beall 707, but I also like Quincy (and own a little 210 pressure lube).

If a cheap used one came up I would even grab a Champion, IR, or Campbell Hausfeld.
 

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The answer to what is the 'best' shop compressor is, it depends. ;) Most people in a residential garage or shop are going to use it for small tasks like filling tires, and maybe running an impact wrench or other similar hand tool. Others may be running a blast cabinet or even painting cars, so they will need a lot more capacity.

People will generally say they want as big a compressor as they can afford, but then the other factor to consider is available power - the vast majority of home garages and shops in the USA will have only single phase power available, and in most areas the serving electrical utility will frown on anyone trying to run an electric motor bigger than around 5hp in residential areas.
 

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I bought an Ingersoll Rand two stage T30 compressor at an auction sale. the compressor was in pieces and included a complete rebuild kit with three new intercooler lines. I was the only bidder at $20
I found an 80 gallon Ingersoll tank with a new pressure switch, on Craigslist for $50. Also on Craigslist was a good running 5hp motor, mounted on a table saw for $100. This compressor combination will supply enough air for my Canadian Made MODUBLAST 24-48 cabinet. Before assembling the T30, I ran a SPEEDAIR twin 50% over-speed for 25 years. I had to install an auxiliary cooling fan for the Speedaire.
 

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Matt -

The post title says, "Shop" but the text indicates residential. You're talking about home garages/shops, right? Because people will automatically equate shop with commercial use.

Obviously the answers will be significantly different, even though many of us have commercial quality units in our garages (I have a Quincy dual stage w/80 gallon tank in my garage).

Scott
 

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I started with a 110V 29 gallon harbor frieght 2hp oiled compressor. I would recommend that or something similar (oiled vs. oilless) to anyone who needed something to run an impact and air up tires, run nailers, etc. Anything shy of sand blasting, running sanders, die grinders, and HVLP paint guns anyway. I outgrew that compressor since I"m restoring a car and needed the output for die grinders, cutoff wheels, and paint guns and anything 110V simply couldn't keep up. That said it was a great compressor and worked well for many applications. I ended up giving that to my dad since his was old and the tank was rusting out and leaking.

When it came to upgrading there were basically three levels I was looking at that were on the radar. If you're going 60gallon+ and using 220V it seemed pointless to do single stage or one of the 3hp offerings in my opinion. They would be limiting in what I wanted to do and took up the same amount of space. For me spending the extra was worth it for at LEAST a somewhat honest 5hp compressor. At the lower level it was the Harbor Freight/Bel Aire/ and CP offerings which all seemed to be made at the same place. HF was the cheapest but probably the least warranty and support but all three (the same really) compressors had positive feedback.

Next up was the Quincy QT-54 which ran about 300-400 dollars more. on paper it had nearly the same specs as far as output of the "lower tier" 2 stage compressor or maybe marginally better. I did notice the shipping weight was substantially more, the entire thing was made in the USA, came with a BALDOR USA 5hp motor and a good warranty so in the end thats what I went with. I'm happy with my choice. I would have loved to go with a lower RPM pump that was quieter, and/or more output but the cost/reward diminished beyond this for the home hobbiest that I am.

Lastly and on the dream list would be an 80 gallon Champion or Quincy. Something with a slower pump RPM, magnetic starter, and 18+cfm. For this you're getting in the 2-3K and above range. My garage is very small and though 80gallon compressors don't take a lot more room, in my space it makes a difference and coupled with the cost difference was too much for me. In an ideal world I'd have the space and budget for this - and some people do. I think the quincy 60 gal will suit me for nearly my lifetime though.

For the big spenders with the room and budget there is always the 7.5hp and three phase type options, or refidgerated dryer screw type compressors but you're looking at major industrial duty and multiple tax brackets beyond me. A guy can dream though can't he? Even then its hard to justify that kind of capability for a household shop or 1 man operation no matter what your intentions are.

In short - Average DIYer 2hp oiled and nothing less.

If you have Autobody or restoration aspirations - no less than 60Gal 2 stage
 

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ISB Nice job on the overhaul.

I concur with Pop Pop as these are excellent recommendations.

#1 Reliable
#2 Quiet
#3 As large as possible on 220V AC
#4 Duty Cycle near 1.0

That said you're probably better off finding a used, but not used up, industrial grade compressor. Mine is a Champion 120gal 10hp dual stage. It lists for $4700.00 and I paid scrap price for it ($275.00). I assume I'll get lots of "you ****" awards, but that's OK. I'll enjoy everyone of them. Originally it had a 3 phase motor which I changed out with a 10 hp single phase. That was cheaper than building another RPC and the existing one is too small.

BTW, it is much quieter than the 5hp single phase and single stage it replaced. If noise is a major concern put it outside or build a closet like place for it to live. Line the closet with acoustic ceiling title and make absolutely sure there is enough circulation for cooling.

Look for top of the line compressors. Champion, Quincy, Sanborn, IR (if its not homeowner grade) and others.

Stay away from the IR homeowner grade, Sears, Horror Freight, all the Chinese made AC's sold in the big box stores. Ditto for the "Made in the USA" with US and imported parts. The only USA made part is the tank. Motor, pump, switches, etc come from China &/or India. Look at the pump to see the lack of quality in the casting process.
 
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Count me into the middle group offerings. Single phase 5hp, dual stage 60gl mark. Power requirements are reasonable and they'll supply enough air to run a better then average one to two man shop setting.
 

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That said you're probably better off finding a used, but not used up, industrial grade compressor. Mine is a Champion 120gal 10hp dual stage. It lists for $4700.00 and I paid scrap price for it ($275.00). I assume I'll get lots of "you ****" awards, but that's OK. I'll enjoy everyone of them.

I don't think any "You ****" awards are pending -- you have violated the First Commandment of Garage Journal, "Thou Shalt Not **** Thyself." Suckage can only be bestowed by another member. It is not to be requested, hinted at, or even thought about until officially granted.
 

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I don't think any "You ****" awards are pending -- you have violated the First Commandment of Garage Journal, "Thou Shalt Not **** Thyself." Suckage can only be bestowed by another member. It is not to be requested, hinted at, or even thought about until officially granted.

OK. What other gauche behavior should I avoid?
 

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I would say that best means that you have matched your compressor to your needs. If all you need is to inflate tires then a small oil less 120v compressor is appropriate. If you will be running an angle grinder you will soon find out that that an 80 g 5hp is what you need and that it will run quite a bit but with a continuous duty cycle, you will not have to wait. Getting accurate cfm need for your various tools is key. I think that air grinders are rated at 5 cfm need but that is not even remotely close.

You will be best suited with a properly sized compressor. Buying too small will only make you spend more money in the end when you buy what you should have in the first place. Buying too big will just make you smile every time you see it sitting there knowing that there is nothing you can't power. I say that jokingly but kind of not.
 

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In this area shop, workshop and garage are interchangeable terms. It can be confusing to some persons. In my case, my shop is much more than a domestic garage. Both shop and garage are used to refer to "my space". There are commercial shops in this area that do very well with less than 25% of the tools and machinery I have crowded into 900 square garage. Several local shops have come to me for help with welding and machining.
My situation is one of the "too-good-of-a-deal-to-pass-up" addiction. I even bought an upholstery "shop" because the price was way too good to pass on. I set the upholstery shop up in the basement of our home, just outside my wife's wine room and just behind a 1952 International Harvester pickup my son and I assembled in the basement while my wife was in Atlanta, GA. The truck has since been taken apart and put into dry storage. I did ask if I might store a few old truck parts in the basement and she agreed.
I also asked for her permission to use her treadmill, she agreed and the treadmill works became the drive for a welding positioner. I have pictures and a video.
My wife lists the contents of the shop at $125,000 for insurance purposes. Yes, we have a monitored alarm and video surveillance.
 
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A majority of guys on this page go right to the 60 gallon tank size with various pumps and motors. You can do so much with that basic size. Even some sandblasting and painting. Plus the price brand new is usually even less than $1k, let alone if you find one used or broken for much less. I have a 60 gallon, 13.9scfm and I couldn't go any smaller for what I do. I could use one slightly bigger at times, but 95% of the time I'm fine.
 

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Mine is a Champion 120gal 10hp dual stage. It lists for $4700.00 and I paid scrap price for it ($275.00). I assume I'll get lots of "you ****" awards, but that's OK. I'll enjoy everyone of them. Originally it had a 3 phase motor which I changed out with a 10 hp single phase. That was cheaper than building another RPC and the existing one is too small.

How is the 10HP single phase holding up? I've been advised against them but don't quite see what's so different between a 7.5HP single phase and 10HP single phase. Although my local shop generally gives good advice and would rather turn down a sale rather than sell you something they don't think you need.

Props on the Champion 120 gallon 10HP. That's a great unit. I have 2 Champions myself. :)
 

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How is the 10HP single phase holding up? I've been advised against them but don't quite see what's so different between a 7.5HP single phase and 10HP single phase. Although my local shop generally gives good advice and would rather turn down a sale rather than sell you something they don't think you need.

Props on the Champion 120 gallon 10HP. That's a great unit. I have 2 Champions myself. :)

It's holding up just fine. My guess is part of that is due to my placement of the AC 12' from the breaker box, thus reducing the length of the wire run. I also tend to run heavier wire than called for by code. Since my labor is dirt cheap (me) I can just buy the heavier wire at HD, Lowes, etc cut to length.

Also I have 200 amp service and unless I was running the compressor, the lathe, mill, all the electrical welders, etc at once I'm not worried about an overload.
 
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I've got a Craftsman Compressor: 60 Gallon 7 HP Vertical V-twin 2 Stage Permanently Lubricated ... Bought it in March 2005... it's been flawless for my shop.
 

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for me it would be a champion VRV7-8 , 80 gallon vertical . with all the goodies , aftercooler, 575 pump rpm, 26 scfm @ 175 psi, 7.5hp single phase motor , 15 hp pump slowed down. My 80 gallon husky 2 stage will have to die first though.
 

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personally, i am looking for an 80gal v type (2 stage 4 cyl) champion. found one 4 hrs away for a great price, but i would have to swap the 10hp 3 phase for a 7.5hp single... i should pull the trigger on it, but i have spent a lot this month and want to recover a bit... plus 4 hrs each way is a drag!

exactly what 04chase said above actually!!

i would also consider a comparable pressure lube quincy if the price was right.
 
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I have a 1958 Brunner 60 gal, 5 hp 220 volt, 17.5 cfm @ 175 psi. Love it, and it's quiet!!! I'm not afraid to beat it, 1" guns, grinders, blasters, let it run!
 

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Have a T-30 which was new about 20yr ago. If it doesn't last my lifetime I'll have a Quincy as its replacement. Reason: I have put them thru the proverbial fire in an industrial setting and it just sat there and said "meh".
 

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Have a T-30 which was new about 20yr ago. If it doesn't last my lifetime I'll have a Quincy as its replacement. Reason: I have put them thru the proverbial fire in an industrial setting and it just sat there and said "meh".

Which Quincy models did you work with? Remember that there are multiple quality levels of Quincy compressors, and you can't really compare the low-end ones to the industrial-grade units.
 

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I like the old-school compressors that run at lower RPM's. When I had my shop, I had an old Wayne that turned at 650 RPM. Not necessarily quiet, but a less annoying sound for sure.
 

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Guys

We sell air compressors but mainly to the large industrial mfg shops and hospitals. When we first started, we thought it was going to be residential but our customer base was the opposite.

That said, we have started selling the single and two stage piston compressors and I wanted to see what the most popular compressors were and why?

All feedback is welcome, compressors, mfg support/warranty and delivery.

Maybe we can help you as well.

Thanks in advanced.

Matt
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Matt, Very nice selection on your website!

I am one of the believers in the saying 'Buy the best tools you can afford', that being said, my first 3 choices would be the following...
Quincy QR series, Champion PL series, Saylor-Beall PL series. Any of those 3 would last anyone a lifetime with simple maintenance...actually most likely any of those 3 brand names 'splash lubricated' pumps would probably last a lifetime in a home garage setting...again, with the proper maintenance.
In my metal fabrication business, there are 5 of us in the shop and we use a lot of air tools, along with 2 CNC machines that use a lot of air. I have a Quincy QR 325 driven by a 5 hp Baldor motor, on a 120 gal tank, along with a 240 gal reserve tank. We've never been 'wanting for air' with this set-up.
At home, I have a Quincy QR 210 that I rescued and rebuilt, driven by a 2 hp Baldor sitting on a 30 gal tank and that's plenty for my home garage.

As quite a few have previously stated, it all depends on your air needs, noise tolerance and budget. Personally, I'd prefer to look for an older, quality made pump and rebuild it than buy a new foreign made 'throw away' compressor.

Tom
 

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I never could make up my mind to which is best.
I guess that is why I have 4.

That's my problem too . . . 5HP Curtis E-57, 7HP Snapon with Chinook K-30 pump, 5HP Quincy 325 (3-phase, which will be converted by me to single-phase with a Steelman conversion), plus the IR 3.3HP 60-gallon that I have actually been using for the past 26 years. The plan is to end up only with the Quincy.

Is it bad when your garage looks like one of those places on the Hoarders TV show?
 

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My brother has/had a large CNC wood shop. He needed lots of reliable air in large amounts. His compressor station was equipped with a refrigerated air dryer system. Much to my surprise, my brother's wood shop did not have an air storage tank. The supplier/installer determined that the shop had more than enough air-line storage volume in the shop. He was happy with his air system. HIs compressor is a rotary screw type inside an insulated cabinet. It is very quiet.
 

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I run a machine shop. We use a Kaeser rotary compressor. I would love to have one in the 10-15 HP range for my home garage. With a dryer system too.
 

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Rotary screw compressors are great for industrial or commercial applications where there is a constant demand for air. Not so good for situations where the air needs vary widely.
 

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The top end 'Home shop' compressor would be the DV Systems TAPV 50-52 - 247 pump - 80Gal - 5HP Baldor. 7 year warranty.

19cfm @ 150psi.
Spins @ 635 RPM.
247 pump, pressure lubricated.
7 year warranty.
Made in Canada

Rival any of the 'Made in the USA' units.
 
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