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Damn. I knew it was going to be bad, but not that bad! Glad you finally got it together. Thanks for the update on here, it was long anticipated.

Thats a hell of a stack of tires you had there. Pricey Firestones but they should last a lot longer than some of the cheaper options. Even though I work with the new stuff, I'm glad to the older tractors getting "restored" with cab interior kits and new tires to keep them working and feeling good.



Thanks!

Yes it was a large stack of tires. The Firestone’s weren’t cheap but they were cheaper than I thought they’d be. The implement tires are cheaper but they’re a brand we had good luck with. Our tire guy was able to get those cheaper. The more he sold the cheaper he could get them. Which was why we bought several. The Firestones are a new tire, Performance Evo. He said he’s sold some of them and have had real good results out fo them. They have a really tall lug on them too. We put those all round on the 7230 and put them on the front of the 8400 just today.

We try to keep them all in good running order. Plus, it just looks like **** when the interior is all falling apart. Plus, those interior kits from Fehr are really nice.
 
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I realize I'm late to the dance, and yours is a 4010, here's a youtube on hydraulic repairs with new style couplers to a 4440
might help if you have other problems.
Have a safe spring!



The couplers I can do no problem. I’ve got those down pretty good. But the actual valves, especially the older style ones are not easy.
 
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So while we’re moving on with tractor reports let’s finish up with the 7510.
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If you recall it was service and the pto was taken off. The pto was worn out. Plus was not operating properly.
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Deere rebuilt it. I picked it up. Put it back on. There’s no gasket for it so I had to smear some maker on there. Let it sit for a full day. Added oil, started her up. Nothing. Wouldn’t turn.
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Ended up being a solenoid valve. Solenoid itself was fine, but the valve was damaged. Naturally, it had to change and it’s no made with the solenoid made onto the valve. Pricey little piece. Luckily the same solenoid is used in a few other spots on the 7510 and the 8400. So I’ve got it for a spare.

But this same solenoid also goes to the MFWD, solenoid was yet again good but the valve was damaged on it as well. Deere told me it was the same one as the replacement for the PTO, turns out it wasn’t. So I’m waiting on that one now too. Cuz no one can seem to get the right parts for anything.

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But after I replace that it should be good to go.

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8760 is waiting on a interior kit and it will be ready.
 

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Oh speaking of the 8760, I don’t think I got to this yet....

Pulled it in the shop to check it over.
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Noticed it had an oil leak by the top of the engine. But couldn’t tell where. I washed it up, ran it, then found the oil was coming out of the exhaust side of the turbo. Not good. This turbo was replaced before and it was hell to find it.
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Talked to the dealership, it took them a half a day but they found the same one from a turbo place out of St. Louis. It showed up the next day. I asked them if it would come with gaskets. They said it would. But they’d order them just in case.
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The used one on the left was the used one from the turbo, the one I needed. The new one on the right was the one that came with the turbo. Definitely not the right one. I called the dealer. They said they ordered the right one. They were going to have a salesman drop it off to me. Guess what! The dealer didn’t order the right one either! They ordered a gasket for an 8560 instead of an 8760. I called them and told them the right one to get and they were supposed to have it next day. But they didn’t I had to wait yet another day.
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But I finally got the correct gasket and got it one. This is why I have to look up everything myself. At this point I feel like I should be making some sort of commission for all the parts we buy from them.
 

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Now for the 4440. This starts where I left off at the end of the summer. If you happen to follow my Instagram you saw this.
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Dad was cleaning out the lots with the old dump bed and 4440 like usual. As he was going down hill the right side axle snapped. Broke off right at the housing. He was going down hill. The duals rolled behind him and bent the **** out of the fender and busted out the back glass. It also dug the hitch of the dump bed into the ground.
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After about an hour of maneuvering around with the 7510, 7230 and several chains we finally managed to empty the dump bed, unhook it, get it out the way, get the 4440 to the bottom of the hill and jack it up.
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After spending the good portion of a day making multiple phone calls and searching the internet for some close used parts places I came up with a full used axle. We were able to get the full thing cheaper than just the shaft.
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We also found a used fender (not as nice as the original one that was on there), and a used back glass. I think for all 3 pieces we were looking at about $1,600 or so. Something around there.
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We managed to get the axle on out in the pasture and stuck the inside wheel on and got it to the shop.
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We got it in. Put the outside wheel on, swapped the fender, put the back glass in and got back to it.
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Then it finished the job. But I think bearings in both axles are going to need to be replaced come next winter. The whole tractor needs a major overhaul. It’s just shy of 9000 hours now.
 

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RE: the 8760 turbo, Were the turbo bearings shot? I'm guessing so otherwise you wouldn't have replaced it, only the seal. Is this a kind of failure that can lead to a diesel runaway?
 

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Wow that must have been quite the ride to be in that 4440 when the axle snapped off!

Looking at the pic of the broken axle, it looks like it had been cracked for quite a while before it finally broke. Are you worried about the other side at all?
 
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RE: the 8760 turbo, Were the turbo bearings shot? I'm guessing so otherwise you wouldn't have replaced it, only the seal. Is this a kind of failure that can lead to a diesel runaway?


The bearings weren’t shot yet. To have the seal replaced it would’ve had to have been sent off. They probably would’ve rebuilt the whole thing and it would’ve cost about as much to just swap a core for a new one. So it was a lot faster and easier to just do that.

I don’t think the turbo issue would cause the runaway diesel issue. But I’ve heard plenty of stories of the bearings on a turbo going out, breaking off fins that end up in the block and destroy a lot.
 
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Wow that must have been quite the ride to be in that 4440 when the axle snapped off!

Looking at the pic of the broken axle, it looks like it had been cracked for quite a while before it finally broke. Are you worried about the other side at all?


Glad it wasn’t me driving.

Yeah it was definitely broke about halfway already. I’ve checked the other side just lifting it up and checking the play with a dial indicator. It seems pretty good yet, at least be checking it that way. It actually showed it was in better shape than the side we put the used axle on.

That’s why, next winter, if not this summer, I want to put in new bearings on both sides. But I also need to find a large enough puller to pull the old bearings off.
 
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That oil leak at the turbo is usually a sign of slobbering, lots of idling on high engine hours. Glad you weren't coming out of a steep field drive, that happens up our way in the fall with grain wagons, we make sure the grain cart is empty or real close.
 

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Seeing that picture of the 4440 reminds me of a similar experience on a 4240. Was ditching a field for flood irrigation and when turning around suddenly was on a roughly 10 degree angle in the cab...uh oh.

Fortunately it wasn't as bad as yours, the clamp bolts attaching attaching rim to hub were loose and nobody caught it. For whatever reason it broke loose on that turn and was sitting **** eyed under the hub. An hour or so later we were back and running as it didn't damage the tire fortunately but as a high school kid it was my first major "uh oh" and was really worried I broke something till I saw what happened! Technically still broke it...but it at least wasn't due to gross error on my part!

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They brought it over a day early
 

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Wow! now that's a planter.
How much land can be planted on a good day with corn or soy beans? .
I'm glad you guys got it before planting was to start.
Thanks for sharing!
 

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Good looking planter! It's good to see that JD finally got some of their planters to fold up narrow for road transport.

Question: why are the corn seed hoppers the small size while the interplants have the big hopper? I'm assuming your going to plant soybeans with it, so wondering why you wouldn't want all the seed hoppers to be the larger size?
 

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Even our biggest planters fold up for transport now. But thankfully someone saw it was time to get back to making smaller planters for guys like CliftonBros who have a need for a new planter but not something 48, 60, 90, or 120 feet wide. Guys who need to get into smaller fields with tight spots.

I'm really excited to see how it works for you guys. There aren't a whole lot of these in the wild yet. And none near me. This part of Iowa is too open for them. Back in Ohio I'm sure theres a few running around, or at least will be in a month or so. Be sure to post some feedback here about it.
 

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Nice planter Cliftonbros89, same question that Boring Hop Yard, what do you think to sow with ?
Corn, wheat, beans ?

In my aera (far east of France), the main crop is corn. It is sown with a spacing of 75 cm (30 inch), but more and more farmers go to 50 cm (20 inch)…
The sowing density being 90.000 to 95.000 plants per hectare, so 37.000 plants per acre.
 
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That oil leak at the turbo is usually a sign of slobbering, lots of idling on high engine hours. Glad you weren't coming out of a steep field drive, that happens up our way in the fall with grain wagons, we make sure the grain cart is empty or real close.


That 8760 is hardly ever at an idle. It’s usually wide open. But the new one seems to be doing just fine.
 
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Wow! now that's a planter.
How much land can be planted on a good day with corn or soy beans? .
I'm glad you guys got it before planting was to start.
Thanks for sharing!



Hard to say. But I’m sure it’ll be pretty comparable to what we were able to do with our Kinze. It’s different from the hills to the bottom. But in the bottom if you really got after it you could do 100 acres a day.
 
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Good looking planter! It's good to see that JD finally got some of their planters to fold up narrow for road transport.

Question: why are the corn seed hoppers the small size while the interplants have the big hopper? I'm assuming your going to plant soybeans with it, so wondering why you wouldn't want all the seed hoppers to be the larger size?



I’m not sure why they went with smaller boxes for the corn. It will be a little annoying finding a good place to store which ever boxes aren’t in use at the time.
 
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Even our biggest planters fold up for transport now. But thankfully someone saw it was time to get back to making smaller planters for guys like CliftonBros who have a need for a new planter but not something 48, 60, 90, or 120 feet wide. Guys who need to get into smaller fields with tight spots.

I'm really excited to see how it works for you guys. There aren't a whole lot of these in the wild yet. And none near me. This part of Iowa is too open for them. Back in Ohio I'm sure theres a few running around, or at least will be in a month or so. Be sure to post some feedback here about it.



I’m interested to see how it goes too. Especially with the liquid added. Which we’ll just be using the liquid as a small starter. I’m not sure I’ll enjoy having to work on it down the road since the rows are so close together.

The dealership said it was about 114 or something like that made? The dealership as a whole sold about 10 and the location we bought ours from sold 4. They said they’re calling it the “Kinze Killer”. Not sure if it’ll do that here. Lot of Kinze planters around here. Couple dealers too.

But it is reassuring to see dealer attempting to care about the little guy. Especially, since they haven’t been impressing me too much lately.
 
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Nice planter Cliftonbros89, same question that Boring Hop Yard, what do you think to sow with ?

Corn, wheat, beans ?



In my aera (far east of France), the main crop is corn. It is sown with a spacing of 75 cm (30 inch), but more and more farmers go to 50 cm (20 inch)…

The sowing density being 90.000 to 95.000 plants per hectare, so 37.000 plants per acre.



We’ll plant both corn and soybeans with it. Soybeans at 15”. Corn at 30”. We’ll usually have corn population around 28-30,000 plants per acre. Soybeans obviously much higher than that.

I’m sure on our flat low laying ground we’ll be able to get over 80 acres a day no problem.
 
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Well we’ve started some field work. Chance of rain tomorrow sometime.

Can anyone point me in the direction of an educational source on A/C systems? I don’t know much of anything about them. I’ve read some in a Deere educational manual from the 70’s. But I can’t quite wrap my head around it. I don’t want to just buy a set of gauges and have no clue what I’m doing

It seems like A/C doesn’t want to work in the 8760 and the 8400 this week. We had someone look at the 8400 twice last year. Same guy looked at the 8760 last year as well and replaced the compressor and something else on it. But there’s still issues.

So I’m tired of depending on someone else to do the A/C work. Each time in the last 6 years or some we have trouble it seems like someone just throws parts at it, replacing most the system til it ends up working. Only to have a problem the next season.
 

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Theory will be similar to 70's, but the 8760 uses an orifice instead of an expansion valve, usually plugs up. 8400 uses a regulating block style expansion valve. When either one are serviced a receiver/dryer needs to be changed.
 
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Theory will be similar to 70's, but the 8760 uses an orifice instead of an expansion valve, usually plugs up. 8400 uses a regulating block style expansion valve. When either one are serviced a receiver/dryer needs to be changed.



Good to know. 8760 ended up being electrical issue.
 

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On the A/C side, I have only done a couple of vehicles but I wanted to share what has helped me. I will leave it to the experts to give advice.
Tools I have, gauges, compressor, LED black light flashlight, short open end wrenches for A/C, hoses / adapters and a regulator that I connect to my argon tank and pressurize the system to help detect leaks. You want a dry gas like argon and you don't want to exceed the PSI the system is designed for. Its easier to find a leak with pressure than vacuum, I check with pressure before I charge the system. If the pressure is good, I pull a vacuum to remove moisture and start the process. I also find it helpful to google the vehicle that I'm working on to give me a heads up. Like finding out the one of the systems I was working on had a condition that was called the black death, pump seal would go back and send everything down stream wrecking then everything down stream.
Anyway I hope this helps.
 
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On the A/C side, I have only done a couple of vehicles but I wanted to share what has helped me. I will leave it to the experts to give advice.
Tools I have, gauges, compressor, LED black light flashlight, short open end wrenches for A/C, hoses / adapters and a regulator that I connect to my argon tank and pressurize the system to help detect leaks. You want a dry gas like argon and you don't want to exceed the PSI the system is designed for. Its easier to find a leak with pressure than vacuum, I check with pressure before I charge the system. If the pressure is good, I pull a vacuum to remove moisture and start the process. I also find it helpful to google the vehicle that I'm working on to give me a heads up. Like finding out the one of the systems I was working on had a condition that was called the black death, pump seal would go back and send everything down stream wrecking then everything down stream.
Anyway I hope this helps.



It’s all definitely stuff I need to look further into
 
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No worries. Everything has been moving along. For the most part everything has been going pretty well. Sounds like we’re due for a rain by tomorrow. So maybe I’ll be able to get things updated.
 

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So where did we leave off?? I’d finally got the 7510 going. The PTO was working properly after replacing the solenoid valve, 9f2af4040de698c4d4a1c7cade1d8b9c.jpg
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Also had to replace the solenoid on the 7510 for the MFWD as well.

Then a few weeks ago while spreading fertilizer with the 7510 the light on the dash for the 3 point arms was blinking. I was too worried because all they get used for is hooking to and unhooking the hay cutter.
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With a little guidance from the diagnostic manual, and after taking apart to dash panel to trace wires I found out it was yet another expensive little solenoid that was the issue.
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So luckily it was a fairly easy fix and luckily I didn’t have to recalibrate the whole 3 point arm process in the controller (although a proper mechanic would probably tell me I needed to). It was good to go again.

Had to replace a leaky hose on the 4440 before we got it in the field.
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Under the cab of corse. Crowfoot wrenches to the rescue.

Same time there was also one of the steel lines blew going to the newly rebuilt SCV’s on the 4010. It was just replaced with a hose as well.
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After a few headaches getting everything for the planter we finally had it and the 4440 ready to go.
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We had a few good weeks to really get at it in the fields but then we got rain. Get a break and just when it was about dry enough to work we’d get just enough rain to mess things up again. It’s been a repetitive cycle like that. So I’ve been trying to catch up on other jobs in between.

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I serviced all the small engines, new oil, clean filters, new spark plugs. Also, serviced the shop air compressor. Macnaught BOP works great for the small engines.

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Dealership did a “free” inspection last summer on the baler when they offered us a “deal” on a tractor inspection. So I pulled in the shop and replaced some bearings and chains on it.

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Also got the cutter cleaned up and looked over, swapped some knives on it and greased everything.

Also, the dealership did finally showed up to do the work on the combines from their inspections in early winter.
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At over 2,100 hours the 9770 was due from an engine oil change, and 2000 hour service that consist of oil change in all the gear boxes, both final drives, and all the filters replaced.

Our buddy Noah had been coming pretty regularly after school, plus, there’s a few days he gets out a little early and a few virtual days yet he can be there earlier too. So he got to join in on the job too.
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We just did everything in the shed, rather than moving everything out just to pull the 9770 to the shop. So that meant taking everything out to it. Engine oil and filter replaced, both fuel filters replaced, all 3 hydraulic filters replaced, oil replaced in both final drives, the transmission case, separator gearbox, another gearbox (that I can remember the offices name of, and the feeder house reverser gearbox that requires special JD oil that you can only get by the quart and it about $26 a quarter.
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The Macnaught BOP is perfect for these gearboxes. I used it on everything except the special oil for the reverser gearbox being that those were just quarts.
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The separator gearbox is a huge pain to get to. It has a drain, but I had to replace the drain because the stupid hex head screw in it was so seized up the head just rounded out. So I had to replace it.
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Even then there’s no good way to drain it. Several pads to soak up oil and a scrape hose I decided to hold on to got the job done. But laying on my belly for an hour to drain and refill this gearbox was a great time. Luckily the BOP came into play again. I’d rather use it to fill the narrow little filler hole that to have had to have slowly poured quarts in it. It took a whole gallon. Using quarts would’ve been a nightmare.

Another repair was replacing a flex piece of exhaust pipe on the 9400 IH semi going to the muffler. The old piece rusted off.
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One of the two exhaust shops in town had a scrap piece we got that was literally the exact length that we needed. It couldn’t have fit anything better. Noah and I got the old piece off surprisingly easy with the old Trusty-Cook hammer and Wera chiseldriver.
 

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Oh, the other repair was the 8760. Turns out I was right about the oil leak around the engine being more than just the turbo. The valve cover gasket was also leaking.
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Not a difficult job. But it would’ve really saved me some time had I just done it when I replaced the turbo. The gasket hadn’t really blown. But there had been some sort of clear sealant applied to the old gasket when it was installed (whenever that was) and it seems as though that sealant was no longer making contact and that’s where the leak was coming from. But now it’s all good to go.
 

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When we were finally able to get after it we hit it pretty hard.
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I spread dry fertilizer like crazy. Got all the corn ground and bean ground finished fairly quick. Did I mention we bought our own used Dempster spreader this spring? Not in bad shape. It’s nice to have one of our own and not have to wait on one from the place we get our fertilizer. Also, nice to know what shape it’s in and who’s hydraulic system has been attached to the hoses.

We were also trying to get on anhydrous quick too. We had a bit of an issue with breaking coulters on the applicator. I think we get it in too much of a bind with it being 3pt. Not to mention in the hills the no till ground was fairly hard. It really requires a lot of pressure to get that thing in the ground.
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I hauled a lot of anhydrous in between spreading fertilizer. But my uncle hauled some too. Dad put on the anhydrous in the hills. I did most of it in the bottom.

We managed to get the job knocked out pretty quick. With few headaches as well. Only two blown tires on anhydrous wagons this year. Both were on the same wagon, within about an hour.
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But it was minor. I was prepared with jacks, blocks, tools and a spare.
 

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I did a lot of the ground work in the bottom. First year in several years we’ve been able to work most of it right away in the spring.
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I spent quite a bit of time in the 8760.
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I also harrowed over it all. All of that went smooth besides the previously mentioned AC issues on the 8760, that still isn’t fixed.

We had finally got to planting too.
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New planter has been working fine. We only had an issue with a meter on one row. Being it’s brand new and under warranty we had the dealer take care of it. It was minor. In between a few rain showers we’ve managed to get a little over 200 acres planted in corn. The corn in the bottom ground it done. But we still have a lot to go. But the weather just hasn’t permitted it.

Also, we had snow on April 20th. A sight that for some of you may not be uncommon. But for here that is really late.
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It naturally wasn’t cold enough to stick to the roads. But it did cover the grass pretty good before it was done.
 

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Did quite a bit of work to the pasture fences this spring too.
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We also build a new stretch of fence for the pasture for the big calves. One hillside has been getting really washed out over the last 5 years. A hillside that required attention several years ago because of the same issues. So we’re going to be keeping cattle off of it.

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But the cattle are doing pretty good. They’ve been enjoying the spring. We’ve been unseasonably cool this spring, so luckily no issues with flys yet.
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Cats seem to be enjoying the spring as well.

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Had some new calf arrivals this week.

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Had some new cat arrivals as well. The boss female of the farm had a small litter tucked up inside the middle of the 9500 a few weeks ago. Right out of reach too. But some how my mom got the cat the lead the kittens close enough to reach them and move them to a safer location.

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I didn’t do any turkey hunting since I had plenty to keep busy. But dad shot 2 this spring.
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Looks like we’ve also acquired some new arrivals out of the other end of the county where we deer hunt. Looks like we’re going to have to have a pig roast.
 

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Who expected grains prices to shoot through the roof? Not this guy, at least not back in January. This is crazy! There’s tons of talk about all the reasons behind it and what it’s going to keep doing. But I don’t know.
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We’ve been able to take advantage of the prices some. I hauled off some corn this past week. We still have maybe around 5,000-6,000 bushel of corn left. Also maybe about 8,000 bushel of beans left. So hopefully we can get some good money while we can.

What corn we planted has come up. Looks like a pretty good stand.
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Just need things to warm up and dry up a bit. We’re getting rain today. But right now it looks to be a clear week ahead. Although, it’s still going to be cooler than we’d like it to be.

The weather is really putting us back and when it comes time to do things it’s going to all be at once. Almost 400 acres of corn to plant yet, now is the time to get started planting beans, we had forage wheat that we were going to cut for hay this week. It needed to be cut this week, it’s to the point of being too far along. I’m not sure if we’ll get it cut or now. There plenty of fescue that is ready to be made into hay.

The cool temperature and wet ground has set the fescue and wheat back a bit. Fescue it full but not very tall in places. But it’s still grown fast. Wheat doesn’t look the greatest either. I’ve seen it looks worse but it’s not at its best. Wheat prices are super high too right now. But we haven’t attempted to contract any wheat just yet. Wheat can be a bit tricky at time. We hate to contract some and it end up not being worth a ****. They’re pretty hard on wheat when it comes to selling it. It doesn’t take much to get a dock of any kind.
 

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Let’s talk tools, briefly, it’s what brought me to GJ in the first place.
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Just got Milwaukee die grinders this week from the Matco guy. Waiting on the “free” battery, charger, and bag that’s supposed to be with it.
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New light and pliers.
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New sure shot cans for parts cleaner. I grew tired of the expensive aerosols. They don’t last long and when you need them we’re almost out. My Matco guy owns a small 2 bay, one mechanic shop in town and found a dealer for drums of cleaners. So he hooked me up with him. Same stuff for basically pennies on the dollar compared to aerosol cans, plus there’s not all the waste.

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Bought some more Starrett stuff too.

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Lisle stuff as well.

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Few Snap On items. I’ve said the last was my last, but I think this really is going to be my last from this dealer with one exception. He said this summer the big puller set should go on sale and he can get me a set from the big show for the year. It’d be $1,000 off. That’s the only thing I’m waiting to get from this guy. I just don’t care for him. Nothing compared to my Matco guy.

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More Starrett

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Plus, finally a really good air chisel. I haven’t been able to use it yet, but I’m anxious to try it out.
 

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Aside from buying tools, as mentioned before I’m also selling tools. Started with Macnaught, which is picking up. Then added Wera.
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The Wera Chiseldrivers are a big seller for me.

I’ve recently added Trusty-Cook hammers and Wilde to the line-up as well.
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One of the Deere mechanics couldn’t believe it when I told him I had his same exact Cornwell sledge hammer for half the price he paid.

Most things haven’t been too bad to get. Although Wilde is way behind right now. I order pliers in my first order. I still don’t have them and it’s been 2 months. No idea on arrival either. Wera isn’t bad but a few things are on back order. Trusty-Cook and Macnaught seem to both be doing well though. But my Matco guy said there’s a ton of stuff for him on back order as well. Heard the same with Snap-On.

I’ve also just recently set-up with two whole sale distributors. This will allow me to offer Martin, SK, Wright, Irwin, Milwaukee, DeWalt, Grey Pneumatic, Gearwrench, and Sunex. Those being the main brands. But there’s lots more. But there’s no way I can keep all that on hand. I just don’t have time or the funds right now.

I’ve been selling maybe one or two things a week. Not a ton. But I think things will start improving. But it’s hard to find the time to really get out there this time of year.

So. Needless to say, I’ve had plenty to keep myself busy in the first part of the year. Lots more to do.
 

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