Black & Decker vs DeWalt

[KingPerformance]

Ok guys, I started this thread to keep the other on topic.

Excellent.



In some cases, yes, they're different.

In other cases, they're identical.

I've got a DeWalt 12V drill that I inherited from my previous employer who's no longer in business. I bought this drill from Home Depot on my corporate credit card. I purchased it over cheaper models (such as the Black and Decker Firestorm 12V drill) mainly due to the brand name. I figured since it was being purchased by my employer, and was going to see some fairly heavy use, I was going to buy something other than the cheapest brand out there, but I saw no need to buy the most expensive drill (I think at the time it was a Makita or something).

A couple years later, a new co-worker was assembling a server rack with the drill, and commented that it was identical to his Firestorm. At the time, I honestly didn't believe that they would have simply rebadged/recolored the drill, and tacked a higher price on it.

He brought his drill in for comparison.

They were identical. Same drill, same features, same everything. The batteries even swapped.

If you're interested, I can get the model of the DeWalt tomorrow (it's out in my shop). Sadly, I can't get the model of the B&D drill, as I've lost contact with the fellow - but I can attest (again) that the two drills were identical in virtually every way (obviously, color was different).



No emotional anything - if you don't believe that manufacturers offer identical products under different tiered brand names, then I really don't know what to say.

B&D knows that DeWalt commands a premium, and many will buy the name over the function/features. If they build one drill, why go to lots of extra expense to make it different? The majority of consumers don't educate themselves on products, and don't educate themselves on corporate ties (honestly, how many people outside of this forum know that the Craftsman Ratcheting Wrenches are the same thing as the GearWrenches sold 6 feet to the left? How many people outside of this forum know that Mac, Stanley, Proto and Husky are all tied together?).

Most base their assumptions of quality on price. DeWalt costs more than Black & Decker, or Ryobi, or another brand, therefore, it must be better.

I had this exact same conversation with my Engineer friend. He looked at me and said how many cases and batteries do you want us to make? I looked at him with bewilderment; he then proceeded to say that just because what’s on the outside looks similar doesn't mean what’s on the inside is the same. He went on to explain to me about different grades of motors, etc etc etc ... You can believe what you want, but there is no reason for one of my good friends to lie to me. And he engineers the tools, so I think he has some insight.

I’m willing to bet you can’t tell the displacement a small block Chevrolet is just by looking at a motor (all you serial number guru’s I know). Is it a 283? 302? 305? 307? 350? 383? 400+? But when you drive it, I bet you will notice a difference.

 

[kythri]

I didn't say similar. I said virtually identical.

We didn't take it apart to see if they had different motors in them, but they had identical chucks, identical switches (low/hi), identical driver/drill selectors, identical triggers, even identical grip contouring.

Power was the same between the two of them.

Obviously, without examining internals, there's no way to prove that they're the same, but if they're going to copy everything else, why wouldn't they throw the same $5 Chinese/Mexican/Whatever motor inside of them?

I wouldn't say your friend is lying, I'd say your friend is insinuating that he's more involved with the product line than he is. Your friend may work for B&D/DeWalt, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that he's nowhere near familiar with every single product produced by the company.

Most design engineers work on a specific product - they don't hover over all of them giving input where needed.

 

[wilbilt]

I have two of the 12V B&D drills you are talking about, and had the same conversation with a friend of mine.

He has a DeWalt that he was always bragging on, and literally flipped out when I loaned him one of my B&D batteries and it fit his drill.

We did take them apart to compare, at his insistence, and they used identical parts. We didn't take the motors apart and count the windings or anything like that, but the two motors were visually identical and had the same stamp ings on them.

The switches, gears, and clutches were the same. The housings had minor cosmetic differences, but that was it. I paid $50 for the first B&D I bought, and $40 for the second. They both came with two standard batteries and a standard (slow) charger.

He paid $125 for his, which came with two XR batteries and a fast charger.

B&D originally called this drill series the "Firestorm", but moved the Firestorm designation to the newer series with the slide-on batteries that was similar (or identical) to the DeWalts of the same design.

I'm not saying all of the tools are identical, but in this case they sure appear to be. The same is true of the electric impact wrenches, which are not only sold as DeWalt and B&D, but Craftsman as well.

 

[wilbilt]

How do these roomers get started? I have a friend that is an engineer for B&D and there are very few similarities between B&D home products and DeWalt. That doesn’t mean DeWalt is the greatest thing out there, just means its not retagged B&D home products. Lets stick to the facts and leave emotional ties, he said she said out of it and evaluate the products based on what they are, not what we think they are, believe they are, or want them to be.

I agree 100%. Facts all the way. I hate dadgummed rumors.

Let’s look at some part numbers for comparison between the DeWalt DW 974 12V cordless drill and the Black & Decker BD2872 12V cordless drill.



DW974

Mechanism 150940-07
Transmission 799995-05
Motor and Pinion 393111-05
Brush pair 389025-00
Kit, Switch RPLM 285348-00
330075-58 KEYLESS CHUCK


BD 2872

Mechanism 150940-10
Transmission 799995-05
Motor and Pinion 393111-05
Brush pair kit 389025-00
Kit, SWITCH RPLM 285348-00
330075-58 KEYLESS CHUCK

You will notice there is a slight suffix number difference on the Mechanism (clutch) assembly. I'm not sure why that is, but suspect it may be due to a slightly different adjusting ring. Both parts list for exactly the same price.

The rest of the parts are exactly the same. Not similar, not "close", but exactly the same. These are all of the parts that make the drill what it is as a tool.

Now, please tell me again why the DeWalt is worth more money. Facts, please.

 

[TheDesigner]

OK jason sent me this link and i cant believe you guys are this damn stupid...

if you honestly believe in your own mind that the black and decker drill is built and tested to the same standards as the dewalt was your a *****! give me catalog numbers and all tell you all the diffrences.

as for the Dewalt impact wrenches being Black and decker... i helped design the 052-057 line a few years back... the black and decker once again is not the same... alot of stuff diffrent with the cam path of the impact mechinism.as for us making the craftsman.. we dont! i beleive its TTi but im not 100% on this...

 

[TheDesigner]

I agree 100%. Facts all the way. I hate dadgummed rumors.

Let’s look at some part numbers for comparison between the DeWalt DW 974 12V cordless drill and the Black & Decker BD2872 12V cordless drill.



DW974

Mechanism 150940-07
Transmission 799995-05
Motor and Pinion 393111-05
Brush pair 389025-00
Kit, Switch RPLM 285348-00
330075-58 KEYLESS CHUCK


BD 2872

Mechanism 150940-10
Transmission 799995-05
Motor and Pinion 393111-05
Brush pair kit 389025-00
Kit, SWITCH RPLM 285348-00
330075-58 KEYLESS CHUCK

You will notice there is a slight suffix number difference on the Mechanism (clutch) assembly. I'm not sure why that is, but suspect it may be due to a slightly different adjusting ring. Both parts list for exactly the same price.

The rest of the parts are exactly the same. Not similar, not "close", but exactly the same. These are all of the parts that make the drill what it is as a tool.

Now, please tell me again why the DeWalt is worth more money. Facts, please.

i cant check your part numbers but i can tell you now your comparing a black and decker drill to a dewalt that was obsoleted 9 years ago. and a black and decker drill obsoleted 8 years ago.

 

[wilbilt]

I'm comparing the ones I compared visually, and yes, it was several years ago.

What does the age have to do with anything?

 

[-lecroix-]

Woooo .... Design Engineer joining the pissin' match. Or so he says.

I think you joining this forum and then resorting to juvenile-eque name-calling in an attempt to prove a point is even more asinine.

Then again, you know what they say about "arguing on the Internet..."

 

[wilbilt]

As for the impacts....different cam, you say?

Tools which use Black and Decker CAM & GEAR
Part Number: 449759-01

Black and Decker 2214-90_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2214_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 22657_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 24873_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2670G_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2670_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2670_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2674_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2675_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2675_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 27513_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 27513_TYPE_3 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 27997_TYPE_3 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 6513_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 6513_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 6945_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 6945_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker ET1560_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
Black and Decker EW5000_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker MTE33_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker Q600_TYPE_1 [1 Required]

Black and Decker 449759-01 also replaces Black and Decker 449759-00

Tools which use Black and Decker CAM & GEAR
Part Number: 449759-00

No data could be found

Tools which use DeWALT CAM & GEAR
Part Number: 449759-01

DeWALT D291-04_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW290-220_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW290G_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW290K_TYPE_2 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW290_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW290_TYPE_2 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW291_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW291_TYPE_2 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW296_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW296_TYPE_2 [1 Required]

DeWALT 449759-01 also replaces DeWALT 449759-00

Tools which use DeWALT CAM & GEAR
Part Number: 449759-00

No data could be found

 

[wilbilt]

Woooo .... Design Engineer joining the pissin' match. Or so he says.

I think you joining this forum in an attempt to prove a point is even more asinine. You know what they say about "arguing on the Internet..."

He says I'm a *****. I'm not an engineer, but I can spell and use punctuation.

I also know when I see a diamond shining in a goat's a**.

 

[-lecroix-]

He says I'm a *****. I'm not an engineer, but I can spell and use punctuation.

I also know when I see a diamond shining in a goat's a**.

Roger that ... big 10-4!

I smell a poser as well.

 

[TheDesigner]

As for the impacts....different cam, you say?

Tools which use Black and Decker CAM & GEAR
Part Number: 449759-01

Black and Decker 2214-90_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2214_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 22657_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 24873_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2670G_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2670_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2670_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2674_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2675_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 2675_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 27513_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 27513_TYPE_3 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 27997_TYPE_3 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 6513_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 6513_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 6945_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker 6945_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker ET1560_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
Black and Decker EW5000_TYPE_100 [1 Required]
Black and Decker MTE33_TYPE_101 [1 Required]
Black and Decker Q600_TYPE_1 [1 Required]

Black and Decker 449759-01 also replaces Black and Decker 449759-00

Tools which use Black and Decker CAM & GEAR
Part Number: 449759-00

No data could be found

Tools which use DeWALT CAM & GEAR
Part Number: 449759-01

DeWALT D291-04_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW290-220_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW290G_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW290K_TYPE_2 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW290_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW290_TYPE_2 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW291_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW291_TYPE_2 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW296_TYPE_1 [1 Required]
DeWALT DW296_TYPE_2 [1 Required]

DeWALT 449759-01 also replaces DeWALT 449759-00

Tools which use DeWALT CAM & GEAR
Part Number: 449759-00

No data could be found

do me a favor and stop looking at tools that old...
the dw290 was designed back in the 70's as a black and decker impact.

the 290 was also copied by just about EVERYONE. all those china knock offs have one.

 

[TheDesigner]

Roger that ... big 10-4!

I smell a poser as well.

never said i was an engineer. look at the name its the designer. also check my email address. im for real

 

[TheDesigner]

ok thinking back yea came off wrong sorry.

but yea i can honestly tell you things that old are before my time here and might have been back in the B&D pro line which was basicly re branded dewalt.

2nd i cant talk alot about the testing we due to do the stuff im working on now, and id rather not lose my job over helping you guys understand the diffrences.

so where do you want to start? batterys motors clutches... you name it i'll go over it with you

 

[-lecroix-]

Your first post, with the name calling, determined my opinion.

good day.

 

[wilbilt]

do me a favor and stop looking at tools that old...
the dw290 was designed back in the 70's as a black and decker impact.

the 290 was also copied by just about EVERYONE. all those china knock offs have one.

The 290 was just recently discontinued, and is still on the website. I am comparing tools that I have firsthand knowledge of.

I own one, as well as it's BD clone. I assure you they are the same.

My BD drills are not the "PRO" line.

So I say that BD rebadged tools in a new color and called them DeWalt. They also sold them for more money than the same tool in the BD line, that was made from identical parts. I think I have proven that point.

What say ye?

 

[KingPerformance]

Your first post, with the name calling, determined my opinion.

good day.

So now that we have someone to challenge your thoughts, and he can give proof you just run off ... probably just to start some other line of BS in another post just because?

Well, I certainly have formed my opinion of you. I believe you have nothing more on your agenda then to pot stir.

 

[-lecroix-]

Seems to me the "proof" is not coming from him at the moment.

 

[TheDesigner]

The 290 was just recently discontinued, and is still on the website. I am comparing tools that I have firsthand knowledge of.

I own one, as well as it's BD clone. I assure you they are the same.

My BD drills are not the "PRO" line.

So I say that BD rebadged tools in a new color and called them DeWalt. They also sold them for more money than the same tool in the BD line, that was made from identical parts. I think I have proven that point.

What say ye?

like i said it was designed in the 70's back before dewalt. it was just a B&D then B&D pro then dewalt. lots of things can affect cost. new tooling diffrent materials including color. (yellow material in a glass filled nylon is quite a bit more then black). but like i said your comparing tools that are very old. back at the begining of dewalt. nothing like it is today.

 

[TheDesigner]

Seems to me the "proof" is not coming from him at the moment.

im just telling it how it is... wilbilt is comparing tools obsoleted 9 years ago (the 974) and designed almost 40 years ago (the 290)

i can tell you this dewalt tools are tested to a MUCH higher standard for life (hours of run) then the black and deckers.

as for batterys you get a much better cell out of the dewalt XRP's its a higher amp hour cell.

for them fitting in a dewalt drill. yup they do did the designers design it that way.. more then likely. it had a latch system that worked why change it???

 

[kartracer55]

I dont have the patients to read this entire thread, but Let me just say this. Dewalt 18v XRP 510inlbs, 3 speed ranges, 3 year warranty

B&D Firestorm 18v. 440inlbs, 2 speeds, 2 year warranty

I wouldnt doubt them sharting the same components. Its no different that VW and Audi. My boss nearly had a woman in tears when he told her that her Audi A6 was essentially a VW passat with a nicer interior and a few suspension differences. She kept talking about how much she hated her VW and how unreliable it was, etc. They use ALOT of the same parts and share alot of engineering.

Eitherway, I still hate working on them! haha

 

[christian]

Not really B&D vs DeWalt, but my woodshop teacher in highschool always bought Grizzly tools. He said they're identical to DeWalt I think and they're way cheaper. Good thread.

 

[stupidjet]

i'm not going to get into this ******* match, b/c we all know, only snap on and milwaukee can make tools.../rolleyes

BUT, i will give my experience with dewalt tools. i'm a contractor and own practically every single corded and xrp dewalt cordless tool. from the hammer drills to rotary demo hammers, to circular to double bevel compound miter saw. i dont even do finish work, my employees treat these tools like ****, i'll take a picture of them to prove it. they dont care if they drop it from 45 feet into the mud on a rainy day. convered in motar..we used a xrp 18volt drill to mix thin set in a bucket for 2 weeks...it even started smoking a few times. guess what, it still works to this day. if they STILL work with that kind of mexican abuse. i'll will continue to give my money to dewalt, as long as they continue to make me money. thats just my experience with dewalt.

i also have milwaukee angle grinders with diamond blades on them that are great. i tried a bosch rotary hammer drill for a day, b/c some other contractors raved about them, but it stopped working on the first day out. thats ok, might have just gotten a bad unit. i ended up buying the dewalt and works great. got a $200 HF tile saw..works just as well as my MK diamond $1000 saw. Skil worm saws i still think are the absolute best circular saw available, and made int he usa. this is just some of MY experience. take it as you want.

 

[stupidjet]

i also have a BD industrial rotary hammer, all metal casing...16 years old, works perfectly.

 

[TheDesigner]

I dont have the patients to read this entire thread, but Let me just say this. Dewalt 18v XRP 510inlbs, 3 speed ranges, 3 year warranty

B&D Firestorm 18v. 440inlbs, 2 speeds, 2 year warranty

I wouldnt doubt them sharting the same components. Its no different that VW and Audi. My boss nearly had a woman in tears when he told her that her Audi A6 was essentially a VW passat with a nicer interior and a few suspension differences. She kept talking about how much she hated her VW and how unreliable it was, etc. They use ALOT of the same parts and share alot of engineering.

Eitherway, I still hate working on them! haha

thank you for bring up tools designed in the last 10 years.

honestly its alot more then just that. not sure but usally the fire storm is gunna have a plastic gear set as the dewalt will be a powdered metal. plus doing 3 speeds is MUCH harder to do then 2 speeds. requires a completly new clutch setup from the old style used on the 2 speed drills.plus you get spindle lock with the dewalt drill. something b&d doesnt.

yea i know im talking about dots on the box but its all things that add to the cost.

 

[TheDesigner]

i'm not going to get into this ******* match, b/c we all know, only snap on and milwaukee can make tools.../rolleyes

BUT, i will give my experience with dewalt tools. i'm a contractor and own practically every single corded and xrp dewalt cordless tool. from the hammer drills to rotary demo hammers, to circular to double bevel compound miter saw. i dont even do finish work, my employees treat these tools like ****, i'll take a picture of them to prove it. they dont care if they drop it from 45 feet into the mud on a rainy day. convered in motar..we used a xrp 18volt drill to mix thin set in a bucket for 2 weeks...it even started smoking a few times. guess what, it still works to this day. if they STILL work with that kind of mexican abuse. i'll will continue to give my money to dewalt, as long as they continue to make me money. thats just my experience with dewalt.

i also have milwaukee angle grinders with diamond blades on them that are great. i tried a bosch rotary hammer drill for a day, b/c some other contractors raved about them, but it stopped working on the first day out. thats ok, might have just gotten a bad unit. i ended up buying the dewalt and works great. got a $200 HF tile saw..works just as well as my MK diamond $1000 saw. Skil worm saws i still think are the absolute best circular saw available, and made int he usa. this is just some of MY experience. take it as you want.

thanks for the kind words man... you're who we design for.

 

[kythri]

I'm comparing the ones I compared visually, and yes, it was several years ago.

What does the age have to do with anything?

No freakin' joke. The fact that it's been done, even once, questions the integrity of the brand, and the justification for the higher price.

Didn't people just say something to the effect of how that's not the case, and never has been the case?

If it's been done once, good chance it's been done a number of times.

 

[kythri]

never said i was an engineer. look at the name its the designer. also check my email address. im for real

No, but your little buddy did, and you didn't correct him.

Also, for what it's worth, since someone's identified you as a DeWalt Design Engineer, and you make comments that attempt to support that information, the name "TheDesigner" assists with the claim that you're a Design Engineer.

If you're not, then what are you? What's your job title, what's your job function?

 

[Major Ramifications]

Yes, there was a time when the B&D and Dewalt products were identical except for the color, but as The Designer keeps saying, that was then and this is now. The present day differences are vast.

BTW, after spending many years as a designer myself, I know you put a lot more into the product than the engineer's do, and they get all the glory.

 

[kythri]

So now that we have someone to challenge your thoughts, and he can give proof you just run off ... probably just to start some other line of BS in another post just because?

Well, I certainly have formed my opinion of you. I believe you have nothing more on your agenda then to pot stir.

And what's your agenda?

Your buddy comes in here, acts like a ****, refutes plenty of valid information supporting the claim that some DeWalt-branded tools are the same damned things as Black & Decker-branded tools, and we're all supposed to kowtow?

Wow.

Sorry, I had no idea. I bow to your collective superiority.

 

[TheDesigner]

No freakin' joke. The fact that it's been done, even once, questions the integrity of the brand, and the justification for the higher price.

Didn't people just say something to the effect of how that's not the case, and never has been the case?

If it's been done once, good chance it's been done a number of times.

ok let me break it down further.

dewalt yellow is a patnented color. hence it cost more since its a "low" production material only ordered by us. hence adding cost.

with a product designed 40 years ago that we have moved from brand to brand. the molds need to be updated for the new materials lines need to be changed labels need made. alot of this add to cost. hence the cost upper to go to dewalt. the DW290 is the one he likes to bring up so we'll leave it at that. so it started as black and decker when it was designed then it moved to a a black and decker pro or industrial or what ever it was for so many years then to dewalt. do you think the same material for the handle set is the same as it was 40 years ago? not a chance. if you think it is the only person you are fooling is yourself. the new material would require a new set of molds, do to shrinkage of diffrent materials. also price's of toold go up every year due to rising steel cost. are you gunna quit buying tools with steel in them because the price of steel went up last year and every ones prices went up for the same product?

 

[TheDesigner]

No, but your little buddy did, and you didn't correct him.

Also, for what it's worth, since someone's identified you as a DeWalt Design Engineer, and you make comments that attempt to support that information, the name "TheDesigner" assists with the claim that you're a Design Engineer.

If you're not, then what are you? What's your job title, what's your job function?

im currently working on some stuff i can not discuss at this time... come march/ april time frame it will be released and then we can discuss it.

my title is designer. but since you just want to question everything i say so im sure you dont believe this.

 

[TheDesigner]

Yes, there was a time when the B&D and Dewalt products were identical except for the color, but as The Designer keeps saying, that was then and this is now. The present day differences are vast.

BTW, after spending many years as a designer myself, I know you put a lot more into the product than the engineer's do, and they get all the glory.

hahah atleast some one else feels my pain.

 

[TheDesigner]

And what's your agenda?

Your buddy comes in here, acts like a ****, refutes plenty of valid information supporting the claim that some DeWalt-branded tools are the same damned things as Black & Decker-branded tools, and we're all supposed to kowtow?

Wow.

Sorry, I had no idea. I bow to your collective superiority.

things that you guys said are the same were things carried over from black and decker pro. a line that was discontinued around the same time frame as dewalt was coming out. so yea the high end black and decker stuff might have been the same as dewalt at the time. but none of those tools are being made these days unless its by a china knock off company.

 

[kythri]

ok let me break it down further.

dewalt yellow is a patnented color. hence it cost more since its a "low" production material only ordered by us. hence adding cost.

Yes, I'm quite sure that the dye in the plastic is responsible for some pretty large price differences.

For what it's worth, you can't patent a color. It's not allowed. That particular shade of yellow (along with the black styling) may be DeWalt's trade dress, and as such, B&D/DeWalt would have an actionable suit against someone else building competing products utilizing the same colors.

Conversely, I could go out tomorrow, and start selling stuffed bumblebee toys with the exact same colors, and DeWalt couldn't do squat. If I'm not utilizing their recognized trade dress in a competing product, or attempting to utilize that trade dress in an effort to associate my product with the DeWalt name and recognition, there's no claim.

Again: You can't patent a color.

with a product designed 40 years ago that we have moved from brand to brand. the molds need to be updated for the new materials lines need to be changed labels need made. alot of this add to cost. hence the cost upper to go to dewalt. the DW290 is the one he likes to bring up so we'll leave it at that. so it started as black and decker when it was designed then it moved to a a black and decker pro or industrial or what ever it was for so many years then to dewalt. do you think the same material for the handle set is the same as it was 40 years ago? not a chance. if you think it is the only person you are fooling is yourself. the new material would require a new set of molds, do to shrinkage of diffrent materials. also price's of toold go up every year due to rising steel cost. are you gunna quit buying tools with steel in them because the price of steel went up last year and every ones prices went up for the same product?

I'm well aware that inflation causes price increases. That's not the issue here.

The issue is that B&D is selling one product at $X.**, and selling the identical product, under the DeWalt name at $X.** + $Y.YY, a significant increase - one that can NOT be explained by "oh, the plastic is more expensive because it's yellow!" - simply because the DeWalt name commands a premium price.

By your illogical explanation above, the DeWalt costs more because the new materials cost more, but apparently, the Black & Decker doesn't cost the same, because they're still using the old materials.

Got anything else?

 

[kythri]

im currently working on some stuff i can not discuss at this time... come march/ april time frame it will be released and then we can discuss it.

my title is designer. but since you just want to question everything i say so im sure you dont believe this.

Cop out.

I didn't ask what you're working on. I know how NDA's work, and how you're not allowed to describe stuff.

I don't care about that, and didn't ask for that.

I asked what your job title was (You say "Designer"), and I asked what your function was. What do you do? What part of the product do you work on? Motors? Electronics? Casing? Overall mechanical? Overall look/feel/ergonomics?

Surely, you can answer that question without breaking any kind of NDA.

 

[kythri]

things that you guys said are the same were things carried over from black and decker pro. a line that was discontinued around the same time frame as dewalt was coming out. so yea the high end black and decker stuff might have been the same as dewalt at the time. but none of those tools are being made these days unless its by a china knock off company.

Wrong wrong WRONG.

As wilbilt already pointed out, it WAS NOT a Black & Decker Pro, and it was being sold at the same time the DeWalt was.

Is reading comprehension not required for your job as a Designer?

 

[TheDesigner]

trade dress yada yada yada whatever.


anyway. give me 2 current drills a dewalt and black and decker that you feel are the same. and ill tell you if they are. your comparing 2 tools that were the same 10 or so years ago that were around the same time as the line was coming out and the other was coming to a close.

the dewalt may have came with diffrent batterys at the time. and just because they are both 18V doesnt mean they are both the same. the dewalt will have a higher amp hour cell. another cost upper.

 

[TheDesigner]

Wrong wrong WRONG.

As wilbilt already pointed out, it WAS NOT a Black & Decker Pro, and it was being sold at the same time the DeWalt was.

Is reading comprehension not required for your job as a Designer?

i'll just leave it as they are not the same as he mentioned. i can give detals since they are not in our electronic files any more and i dont have all day to go rooting around on mylar's. i worked on the new impact projects so i have a little more knowlage about these then he is posting i just cant remember everything that was diffrent.

 

[-lecroix-]

This post started off comparing QUALITY of one brand tool over another to justify the higher price, now The Designer (self admited employee of DeWalt Inc) states that the cost difference is due to a different color.

Was that a loud explosion noise I just heard coming from the DeWalt Marketing Department?