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Dang, 65 pages in just under 24 hours. What a read. Really a shame that a bunch of the early pictures are gone, or are blurred out after some website went sideways. Lots of cool info I hadn't seen before, and some of you guys are even more obsessed with these things than my friends are.

I suppose a little background is in order here. I am the curator of the Workmate type study referenced here and there throughout this thread. My buddies and I put it together starting in 2008, following a gathering of a bunch of woodworkers. So our motives were a bit snobbish, we were looking for those which were best for woodworking, stable enough for planing, and that mostly included the Type 1-4(i). The others were mostly included because people brought them along. It has been added to over time, mostly when people found the UK made Smurfmates. If you go to the spreadsheet link, it will be updated again soon. There are multiple tabs there, including links to the Patents, appearances of the Workmate in various print and video media, some which show the pre-history of the Workmate.

It hurts a little to hear wolfcj say that there are errors in my spreadsheet, but I can't deny them either. He has way more cross era knowledge of them, and I hope to pick his brain offline and update things. (Honestly the Type 3 was the only one I never saw in person, so will use that as part of my excuse for being wrong)

My stake in this thread? I now own 4 of the aluminum Cast H models, Types 1,2,4(i), and one I never took the time to type, it sits out in the yard under a tarp, my beater. I also have a cheap TV tray one that Outlaw despises, for good reason. I bought it cheap, NIB, only to find out there were two specialized fasteners missing, and they cost me more than the original purchase. But, it is tall, which is a plus for a few things I do. And it has the single layer top, which fits my Log Jaws (UK product). Also had a few stamped metal ones that I gave away when thinning the herd.

In the offshoot category, I have the mitre mate, and a router thing too, never used either, think they are still in the box, will need to look to see if they have manuals. Couple pairs of the clamp things, but only 2 bases.

I've been contacted by people across the US sharing information, trying to track down parts, and even found one guy who was trying to make replacement metal handles. More later if he responds.

Somewhere I also have the old parts breakdowns (50+) for some early models, that's where I got the discontinued dates, they are PDFs, have to figure out a way to post them to the smugmug or Box site. Also have a few manuals that I should scan and upload into a central repository.

I also have dimensioned drawings for the tops, but can't find the quickly.

The real esoteric thing that I have that I haven't seen in this thread is a Table Top workmate, not to be confused with the little Bench Top or Hobby ones, or the Wall Mount, which is where my original attempts to track it down went. This is seen in pix 129 - 141 of the type study. Think I gave it away to a luthier friend.

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If you want to see something different that a buddy put together, check out his Mate's Mate, a heavy top which allows him to use it as a planing bench.

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And if you want a planing bench on a low budget, check out this setup from another person who I've lost contact with.

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So the pics of the type study examples are still here, as well as a few of my samples.

https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Workmate-Type-Study/

The spreadsheet is here (will need to recall my log in to update it)

http://www.box.net/shared/hchozbe4d7

Thanks for sharing, hope to keep adding to the knowledge base.
 
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Let me be the first to thank you for your early obsession with and documentation of the world's best folding workbench.

I had owned my 79-001 type 4 since new for over 30 years when, for some reason, I went looking for more info on the web and came across your pages. That was what inspired me to find earlier ones and learn the differences between them. I currently have 79-001 types E, 2, 3, and 4, plus a 79-020 type 1. I've owned, and sold, at least 8 more aluminum models. I passed over a type 1 at an estate sale because it was too beat up, but now I sort of wish I had it. I'm still looking for a good one of those.
 

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As long as you mention "errors" in the spreadsheet ...

Just today I came across a Workmate on eBay configured in a way that I would have told you Black & Decker never made. It's a 79-001 type 2, but it's the first one I've ever seen with plastic arms on the crank handles. (The pictures don't show the follower nuts, but I'm very curious whether they are also plastic rather than the standard metal ones for this type.) It may also be the first I've seen with a particle board top. Both of these characteristics differ from what's in the spreadsheet as well.

In addition, one of the type 2s that I owned previously had an orange-stained top but my current one has an unfinished top, which matches the spreadsheet.

I point this out not to criticize the earlier observations, but to illustrate that Black & Decker may very well have made production changes without changing the type numbers.
 

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My uncle opened an equipment rental business in Cleveland Ohio before there were any national franchises. It was called U-Rent-Um, and I think it was 1966. He stocked all the usual stuff, but he also had Workmates. He gave my dad (his brother) one - must be a type 2 - with the cast aluminum H. I still have it and use it for work on the boat, the house, and various woodworking projects. Everything still works fine although it was used to paint a few items. So it is in the original family after 53 years. Love it.

Ed
 

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One of the best things about this thread is the number of people who contribute their stories about vintage Workmates and their personal history with them!

However, just to jog everyone's memory a bit, according to the documentation we have, Black & Decker produced their first model of the Workmate, the Mark II, in 1972 in County Durham in England, but did not sell it in the United States. The Workmate was first sold in the United States in late 1973 and the best-selling early model, the 79-001 type 2, was sold in the 1975-1976 period.
 

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Finally got me one of them fancy aloominiyum ones :thumbup:
 

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No ���� but hey if anyone needs 2 rubber feet or jaw insert things or crank handles I’m your man
 

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Well like all my Workmates I found it on the roadside as scrap metal...

This makes 6 now. All the other have been your standard black ones that just need new jaws and some lube
 

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Just today I came across a Workmate on eBay configured in a way that I would have told you Black & Decker never made. It's a 79-001 type 2, but it's the first one I've ever seen with plastic arms on the crank handles.

And now, here's another 79-001 type 2 with components from a type 4. This has the three boot feet of the type 4 (instead of the standard four adjustable feet of a type 2) and the grey-painted upper frame components of the type 4 (instead of the standard unpainted, plated metal).
 

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Wow, how is this for a rare Workmate:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VTG-NOS-Portable-Project-Center-Vise-Clamps-Bench-Black-Decker-Workmate-79001-E-/323944222348?hash=item4b6c948e8c%3Ag%3AKGsAAOSwYOxdn6oU&nma=true&si=QMzgiwo4%252BRTLABTTtNr9JSZL9Ao%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
It's the original model on the U.S. market, new in its box!

It sold less than 3 hours after it was listed, before I saw it. Even at the price, I would have bought it in a heartbeat (and driven 90 minutes to pick it up).

I do notice one problem with it, two missing feet on the back for the lower height setting.

Of course, its condition does raise the question: should you actually use something that belongs in a museum?
 

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My current "nicest" earliest workmate sits in my Laundry room, so I'm not going to accidentally grab it.

That one I might not give quite museum status too, but it might only get hauled out on special occasions, like driveway parties.
 

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Hey, I just had my first sighting of a Workmate in a TV show!

It was in yesterday's episode of "The Rookie" (the police show starring Nathan Fillion) called "Breaking Point".

The show starts with Nolan working on his house renovation, and the Workmate is sitting in the background in his work area. It looks like a relatively early one, but with the all-steel frame. A later scene is set in the same room and it's visible there again.
 

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I've become hooked on the early cast aluminum versions and picked up my 3rd yesterday for $20. I've tried to identify which Type by RTM's spreadsheet. And I've noted the anomalies between Types that make ID's a bit fluid. For example I have one with Type IV characteristics: Legs = 3 fixed/1 adjustable, plastic knob/crank arm, 3 stripe step pattern and label = 79-001 Type 4. But it has a plywood top (see image).

From the smughub images, I also have one with the "Lester-1" in the cast but I haven't noticed what that indicates. Anybody have a clue?

Type I vs Type II question: in the spreadsheet, the Top Pattern row has "center hole" vs "no center hole" -- what does that mean? Where is the "center hole"?

None of my 3 have any visible "Stamping Under Top" to help me.

Thanks for any enlightening comments.
 

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First of all, B&D's Type numbers use Arabic numerals, not Roman numerals. I suspect that perhaps when they assembled the spreadsheet they had not seen enough different examples at that point to realize that, so they used their own terminology.

Your first photo shows a Type 4, as it says right on the label. Those were made with both plywood and particle board tops. I'm very surprised that yours is not stamped "79-001 Type 4" on the bottom surface of the wooden jaws. Sometimes the ink can become quite faint.

Regarding "Lester-1", I've never seen an explanation of the significance of the marking, but they found that marking on a Type 2. Does that match the type of yours?

The photo below shows the "center hole", found on Type E, Type 1, and Type 3. (This happens to be a Type 3.) Notice that along the line where the jaws meet, each jaw has five holes. If you look at your Workmates, they probably have four holes, missing the one in the center.
 

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Hey, I just had my first sighting of a Workmate in a TV show!

It was in yesterday's episode of "The Rookie" (the police show starring Nathan Fillion) called "Breaking Point".

I can't believe that I sat through those commercials just to see that. I've got the cheapest version of Hulu and it won't let me fast forward through the ads.
I really need a life...oh wait..I'm old, I've already had a life..and this is what it's come to? :headscrat:(

Thanks wolfcj for inadvertently pointing out my sad state. :lol_hitti
 

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wolfcj -- Thanks for your helpful reply. My responses:

On much closer inspection, I did in fact find a faint stamp but it says something different; please see image as I am not sure about what it says and also don't know what else to possibly expect.

Yes "Lester 1" does appear on one that matches Type 2 characteristics.

Center hole -- I understand clearly from your image and explanation. Yes, mine all have 4 holes.

Thanks again.
 

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As far as I know, no one has tried to decipher the additional numbers like those you show. I may take that up some day.

The "Type 4" would typically be stamped elsewhere on that same jaw lower surface.

Do you have photos of the others you'd like to identify?
 
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Here are the three I have with my now deduced Type number. Left to right:

* Type 2 Lester -- my first a couple years ago, $70 happy to have found it, all parts sound.
* Type 4 previously discussed -- $30 flea market a couple months ago; all parts sound (noticed the left front foot in image was not completely extended).
* Type 2 -- found yesterday $20 at Habitat Restore; bottom feet replacements; no mid feet; looks like had some outdoor living conditions; bottom feet metal "latches" busted.
* Type 2 Lester with custom top clamped on attached 2x4 and box on wheels (from early thread post ideas); Workmate 550 in background on platform with wheels.
 

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Nice collection!

Maybe it's just the perspective, but I would have said that none of the front legs in the first two photos are fully extended. In the third photo they look right.
 

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Hard to tell from such small photos and not the right angles, but it's definitely a 79-001, I would say either Type 4 or Type 6. As long as everything works, it's easily worth $10.
 

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Nice collection!

Maybe it's just the perspective, but I would have said that none of the front legs in the first two photos are fully extended. In the third photo they look right.


I agree, looks obvious on closer look. I quickly plopped them out to take the images. Was sloppy.
 

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Blue 400 freebie. Well used with replaced top but still solid. It's now my beater. Like many, I'd be very happy to find a cast aluminum blue version. Then I'd stop looking, maybe.
 

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Ran across one, don't know much about it. It is missing 2 rubber feet where the legs press against the frame. Could not find a model/serial number on it, yet. Dog ran off and detracted me.
 

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Ran across one, don't know much about it. It is missing 2 rubber feet where the legs press against the frame. Could not find a model/serial number on it, yet. Dog ran off and detracted me.

On the top as well as the front cross brace it shows that it is a model 350 Workmate. The serial number is anyone's guess!

Jim
 

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Ran across one, don't know much about it. It is missing 2 rubber feet where the legs press against the frame. Could not find a model/serial number on it, yet. Dog ran off and detracted me.

It's a 350. (Printed in BIG numerals on the top :lol_hitti)

Tommy
 

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Mine and my fathers, being used as a makeshift motorcycle lift........ don’t ask how I got it up there![emoji38]


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Well I'll be d....

So did you drive it on while both the vises where lowered and then both of you lifted it up after you tightened the jaws?
OH!... never mind,you said not to ask,sorry.
 

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Bought this Workmate at an Estate Sale today. The sale was in Sharpsburg, GA about 35 miles south of Atlanta, GA. I thought that the blue color was "different". When I got home I tried to do a little research on the InterWeb.




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Some pictures that may help a workmate guru give me information on this Workmate. Is that a date group (6 29 79) and "001 Type" is the Workmate type?




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I found that the plastic "dogs" that fit into my other Type 4 Workmates do not fit in this one. I'm guessing these holes may be metric?

So is there enough information posted here to indicate this Workmate was made somewhere other than the USA?

Scott
 
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The U.S. model number for that is 79-001 Type 3, from approximately 1976. It was made in Ireland and sold in the UK as WM625 Type E 02. It was marked in three places as shown in the attached photos. Your marking on the bottom surface of the jaw is partly worn off, and the model number part of your label is torn off. However, you should be able to find the third marking (for the UK) at the rear edge of the foot rest.

I'm puzzled about the dogs, because the standard size for these has always been 20mm. The 79-001 Type 1 is the only model I know of that had 3/4" holes. My Type 3 has 20mm holes. Can you try measuring your dogs and holes with calipers?
 

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The U.S. model number for that is 79-001 Type 3, from approximately 1976. It was made in Ireland and sold in the UK as WM625 Type E 02. It was marked in three places as shown in the attached photos. Your marking on the bottom surface of the jaw is partly worn off, and the model number part of your label is torn off. However, you should be able to find the third marking (for the UK) at the rear edge of the foot rest.

I'm puzzled about the dogs, because the standard size for these has always been 20mm. The 79-001 Type 1 is the only model I know of that had 3/4" holes. My Type 3 has 20mm holes. Can you try measuring your dogs and holes with calipers?

wolfcj,



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I found the stamped text on the step.


As it turns out, the holes that receive the plastic "dogs" are probably the normal 20mm variety. I had thought that they were smaller than the "Type 4" Workmate I have. However, it appears that some of the holes will receive the "dogs". It seems to be a function of how much paint overspray the hole was subjected to. The more overspray, the tighter the hole. It could be that the paint got down to the raw layers of the plywood inside the hole and caused them to swell a bit.

Best regards,

Scott
 

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Bought this Workmate at an Estate Sale today. The sale was in Sharpsburg, GA about 35 miles south of Atlanta, GA. I thought that the blue color was "different".

By the way, that's a relatively rare one you have. In my experience, the 79-001 Type 5 is the least commonly found one, in fact I have never seen one in person or in a picture. The Type 1 is next; I've seen a couple in pictures and one in person. The Type E and Type 3 are next most rare, but are visually the most striking. The Type 3 stands out for its blue color and the Type E for its all-aluminum "skeleton" frame construction (plus its blue handles and swivel pegs).

I find that the Type 2 and Type 4 are the most common. Types 6 through 9 complete the series and fall somewhere in the middle for rarity. None of those last four have the aluminum H-frame, but they are still part of the 79-001 series.

And, of course, there are some UK models that were never sold here, but have been brought here by individuals. They are rare here in the U.S., but common in the UK.
 

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By the way, that's a relatively rare one you have. In my experience, the 79-001 Type 5 is the least commonly found one, in fact I have never seen one in person or in a picture. The Type 1 is next; I've seen a couple in pictures and one in person. The Type E and Type 3 are next most rare, but are visually the most striking. The Type 3 stands out for its blue color and the Type E for its all-aluminum "skeleton" frame construction (plus its blue handles and swivel pegs).

I find that the Type 2 and Type 4 are the most common. Types 6 through 9 complete the series and fall somewhere in the middle for rarity. None of those last four have the aluminum H-frame, but they are still part of the 79-001 series.

And, of course, there are some UK models that were never sold here, but have been brought here by individuals. They are rare here in the U.S., but common in the UK.


wolfcj,

Thanks for information!

Best regards,

Scott
 
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