To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

black oxide

a52-830

Well-known member
Joined
May 28, 2016
Messages
4,644
Location
north of boston, massachusetts
so, i have usually associated "black" tools with impact uses, like sockets or "slugging" wrenches.

but now it seems like i am regularly seeing "black oxide" tools that dont appear to be for that kinds of service, like this, as an example:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/121556080890

why would i want black oxide instead of, say, polished chrome? i have read talk of "keeping them oiled" and "better rust resistance". . . . . is there more upkeep to these than wiping them down when you are doing with them?

i understand that there might be military uses for non-reflective wrenches . . . . . but i would think that making standard duty tools in black oxide is a recipe for problems down the road . . . .
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

bob15

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 8, 2011
Messages
6,863
Location
Northeasten, CT
No chrome to flake off in high critical areas (jet engine assembly).

Also, many people won't steal it because it isn't chrome. Some like chrome tools, others satin finish and other still, like black oxide; all personal preference.
 

Dave455

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 19, 2013
Messages
5,829
Location
Sussex, England
Chrome is one finish, black oxide another, both have their advantages!

One reason not to chrome is shortage of materials. I have British made tools from the 40's and 50's that were never chromed, and using them has taught me that the quality of the steel and the way it's heat treated is far more important than the finish! Wipe down after use and they've never rusted!

Other reasons might be cost. If funds were tight I'd rather have a top quality tool in a plain black finish than a cheap tool with equally cheap chrome! The former will last well, the later don't!

Some industries don't like chrome. Either because of the fasteners they are using, or the environment!

Personal preference is an issue too. Some folks simply don't care for chrome. If they scuff or dent their tools they like to be able to file or polish out the damage.

There is something to be said for the last approach. I have a number of Garrington (old British make) adjustable wrenches. They're all old, and have all seen a lot of service. Where the chrome ones have a few dents and nicks in the jaws I just have to live with it, but with the plain ones I've been able to file out the damage and the tools are like new!
 

Pitalplace

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 6, 2006
Messages
231
Location
North Platte, NE
I have a set of the old Williams black oxide that I use as my go to wrench. I don't know exactly why but I would rather use them. When finished they are wiped off and put in the drawer. I have never oiled them but it might be a good idea. They are on the right and sorry as this photo makes them look more glossy than they are.
 

Attachments

  • IMG_20160516_095835560 (Small).jpg
    IMG_20160516_095835560 (Small).jpg
    100.3 KB · Views: 236

Dave455

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 19, 2013
Messages
5,829
Location
Sussex, England
Pitalplace - those are superb looking tools!

I have Williams socket wrenches and accessories that were acquired by my Grandfather during the war. I guess they were black oxide originally but now look similar to your wrenches! Really good durable tools!

These older Williams tools were very high quality items - chrome or not!
 

T45

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 20, 2014
Messages
3,253
Black oxide is usually for FOD or politics-related when in government service. Performance is excellent, usually trades at a bit of a discount pricewise tho. Need to keep an eye on them if you have poor lighting in your shope. They have a matte feel, not slick at all. Keep them CLEAN as dirt traps water, and maybe less obvious on a darker tool.
 
Last edited:

Packard V8

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2009
Messages
7,380
Location
Spokane, WA
FWIW, I have Blue Point wrenches from the '30s-early '40s and I have the same late-'40s wrenches from the same dies stamped Snap-on. Interestingly, in the beginning, the Blue Point were not polished and had some sort of dull plating over the rough as-forged surface. A few years later, they were matte-polished shanks and full-polished plated heads, then, they became Snap-on. Over the years, the Snap-on chromies got full-polished shanks, got slicker and became the standard of excellence. Know what? They don't function any better than the eighty-six-year-old Blue Points I keep in my basement box.

My main box has Snap-on industrial finish inch DBE/DOE/combos and when I needed metric combinations, I bought the industrial finish just because.

jack vines
 

Packard V8

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 16, 2009
Messages
7,380
Location
Spokane, WA
FWIW, I have Blue Point wrenches from the '30s-early '40s and I have the same late-'40s wrenches from the same dies stamped Snap-on. Interestingly, in the beginning, the Blue Point were not polished and had some sort of dull plating over the rough as-forged surface. A few years later, they were matte-polished shanks and full-polished plated heads, then, they became Snap-on. Over the years, the Snap-on chromies got full-polished shanks, got slicker and became the standard of excellence. Know what? They don't function any better than the eighty-six-year-old Blue Points I keep in my basement box.

My main box has Snap-on industrial finish inch DBE/DOE/combos and when I needed metric combinations, I bought the industrial finish just because. Interestingly, the later production industrial finish has a much rougher matte finish than my '70s inch industrials.

jack vines
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!

Crazyjake8493

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 26, 2014
Messages
3,977
Location
Upstate NY
I prefer black oxide finishes. When I ordered my NWS pliers and wire stripper I wanted the white/red handles with the black oxide finish, but they were out so I had to get the chrome finish with gray/yellow handles.
 

6PTsocket

Well-known member
Joined
Mar 12, 2014
Messages
4,593
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong but all black tools are not black oxide. I had a set of Bonney wrenches at work that were black but had a polished finish. Isn't there something they call black chrome? I really liked them. Too bad Bonney is gone

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
 

lilcraigford

Well-known member
Joined
Oct 19, 2014
Messages
348
Location
Portland, ME
Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong but all black tools are not black oxide. I had a set of Bonney wrenches at work that were black but had a polished finish. Isn't there something they call black chrome? I really liked them. Too bad Bonney is gone

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Yes, black chrome is a thing. Stanley, Stanley/Bostitch, Crescent and Husky are a few names that have tool sets advertised with a black chrome finish. Here is a Husky set for example:

4c4592e3-2864-47f0-b36c-e7540e8153cf_400.jpg


Another common black finish used on tools is black phosphate. Then, beyond tools, there is also black nickel plating, black zinc plating and so on.
 

Doug Arthurs

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 1, 2012
Messages
1,137
Location
Ontario
I ran a quick oil change business years ago. We bought black oxide tools because we would paint them so they were color coded for the bay they came from.
 

leg17

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 11, 2011
Messages
1,374
Location
Kentucky
Black oxide is cheaper and more dependable than chrome.
Usually found in industrial settings.
Not enough difference to matter to the individual.
 

winlinmac

Well-known member
Joined
Aug 17, 2015
Messages
3,777
Location
USA
Imagine the contrast when placing black oxide tools into a drawer lined with black drawer liners. It will be difficult for many to find what they're looking for unless they have a good light source. For many, a garage setting in most cases is poorly lit. Most settle for chrome / satin as its easier to distinguish.

I still like black oxide wrenches. Never need to worry about scratches, or getting it cleaned up. Its relatively easier to manage than those wrenches which are chrome plated. I'd rather own black oxide and satin finish wrenches over the chrome-plated type, but the majority overall availability of available hand tools for DIY-consumers (ratchets and wrenches) appear to be plated with chrome.
 
Last edited:

Citation

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 20, 2016
Messages
3,223
Location
Indy
Yes, black chrome is a thing. Stanley, Stanley/Bostitch, Crescent and Husky are a few names that have tool sets advertised with a black chrome finish. Here is a Husky set for example:

4c4592e3-2864-47f0-b36c-e7540e8153cf_400.jpg


Another common black finish used on tools is black phosphate. Then, beyond tools, there is also black nickel plating, black zinc plating and so on.

The black Husky tools are actually painted/powder coated. It's a horrible finish. Not at all durable. Too bad as they are otherwise good value wrenches. I've heard mixed things about Stanley's black chrome but I believe it is at least actually chrome.
 

Sine Swept

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 2, 2014
Messages
440
If you drop a chromed tool into an engine bay, it is usually easy to spot with a flashlight!

That would be my reason for not using them, at least where they could be lost.
 

Derek420

Banned
Joined
Sep 28, 2016
Messages
470
Location
Southern Indiana
The Stanley black chrome I have and husky comes off like black oxide does on impacts, if you use it enough, it's not same as regular chrome and about loosing tools in engine bay and garage that's 2 reasons they, are called industrial finish because they are made for factories, not us mechanics but they look cool and do the job and don't matter as long as your careful with them.
 
To avoid these ads, REGISTER NOW!
Top Bottom