Black VCT and 1109 Epoxy

[blazer1974]

Here are some pics of the flooring piece of my garage project. Roughly 850 square feet. Once I move everything back in and finish the baseboards, I'll post the completed photos.
The details are:
Armstrong VCT 51910
Armstrong S-515 Adhesive
Wolverine 1109 Epoxy Clear

First pic is after 3 Gallons of Bond Lok
Second is after tile layed with no polish
Third is after 80 grit sanding
Fourth is after the 1109 was applied (Night w/ lights)
Last is after the 1109 was applied (Daytime)

Overall I'm happy with it so far. It's just a storage garage so we'll see how it holds up. I learned alot from this board previous to starting my project - for that I say many thanks.

 

[chrwilliams]

Damn, that looks awesome to me!

 

[Munich77]

Wow - that looks incredible. You cannot even tell where one tile ends and the other begins. How long did that take to install?

 

[kerryt1]

This is exactly what I want to do. If you don't mind, would you provide more information about the prep required and the costs?

 

[blazer1974]

It took a period of several days with several steps.
Scrub floor, bond lok, rinse, and repeat ~ 4 hours
Spread adhesive and lay tile ~ 9 hours
(I waited 1 week before applying epoxy)
Sand floors and mop(3 times) ~ 3 hours
Mix epoxy and roll ~ 45 minutes

 

[blazer1974]

This is exactly what I want to do. If you don't mind, would you provide more information about the prep required and the costs?

Prep was a thorough cleaning. I swept, hosed garage, and scrubbed floor using bond lok. I spot treated the tire spots about 5 times. Then I used feather finish to fill cracks and holes.

Costs are as follows:
Feather Finish (1 box) ~ $25
Bond lok(3 gallons) ~ $60
Tile (900 sq ft @ $.70) ~ $650
Adhesive(3 gallons) ~ $50
Epoxy(3 gallons) ~ $250
Trowels(3) ~ $15
Aluminum trim(27 ft) ~ $30
loctite glue(1 tube) ~ $6

 

[admactanium]

Wow, that looks unreal.

 

[SuperchargedWS6]

That looks too good to be in a garage and drive on. Best I've seen so far! Post pics in a few months and let us know how it holds up!!!

 

[AndrewBigA]

wow! holy ****! lol. looks crazy awsome! id like ot know how its holding up after a few months.

 

[On Edge]

Looks amazing! So was it necessary to sand with the 80 grit? Was this to help with the bonding of the clear? Love the floors. Great job!

 

[ponjohn]

That looks fantastic!!

 

[AlphaGarage]

The sanding is to make certain that there are no contaminants on the VCT. Even brand new VCT can have release agents and other coatings on them right out of the box. A quick sand insures they're removed and the BondTite is able to adhere to the VCT.

A three gallon kit costs $225 and is good for about 860 ft2. For increased durability, gloss, and UV resistance you can clear coat with EnduraShield 2254, although 1109 is very good just by itself.

The commercial side has been doing a lot of supermarkets, existing and new floors, with 1109.

 

[AndrewBigA]

how durable is this? my detail shop sees alot more traffic on the floor than in someones house garage.

i cant decide how i want to finish my floor.

alpha, can you give me a few clues......please =)

thanks

 

[countrysquire]

Are we talking 1109 or 1101? I can't find info on 1109 on either the Alpha Garage or Wolverine site.

 

[blazer1974]

1109 is the product. It is not on the Alpha Garage website. Fred told me about it when I called to order.

By the way, I give Fred at Alpha Garage one strong recommendation. He took the time to answer my seemingly ignorant questions on four or five seperate calls. He really wanted to assist me in doing the job correctly even though it is a DIY.

 

[countrysquire]

Thanks Blazer. Your garage looks great.

 

[AlphaGarage]

This is a product that we just didn't think would have as much DIY demand as it's getting. We'll add it to our site eventually.

Wolverine doesn't have it on their site, but then again they only list about 20 or so products online out of the over 1,100 formulations they have.

BondTite 1107 is no longer available, replaced by 1109. The difference is that 1109 has increased UV stability, and it was changed to adhere better to some of the new VCT products.

 

[ka41]

I've been thinking about doing this over my vct for several months now. How slippery is it? How were you able to get the proper coverage (trowel, roller ). I have about the same square footage as you, and this only took you 45 minutes to install. Did you have any help?

 

[bochnak]

That looks really nice!

 

[blazer1974]

I've been thinking about doing this over my vct for several months now. How slippery is it? How were you able to get the proper coverage (trowel, roller ). I have about the same square footage as you, and this only took you 45 minutes to install. Did you have any help?

It's not slippery dry. We haven't had any rain yet to see how it feels wet.

As for coverage, the garage used three gallons of materials. I seperated the garage into 3 sections and seperated the materials to make three seperate 1 gallon units. You pour the gallon accross the section and use a roller to move the epoxy around. It was simple to apply evenly. The epoxy almost slides across the floor to distribute evenly.

The 45 minutes did not include the prep time to sand and mop. I seperated out the materials in advance so the only thing to do at application was mix the two componenets, pour it on the floor, and roll. It took roughly 15-20 minutes persection to pour and roll. I did not have any help.

 

[Mac Attack]

Are we talking 1109 or 1101? I can't find info on 1109 on either the Alpha Garage or Wolverine site.

I have the same question please. Last I knew, 1101 was the product to use over VCT

Your garage looks great blazer1974!

I would like to do this over my VCT floor I've had for about three years now as I'm tired of the waxing. Is the 80grit sanding common, or should I try to use something a little finer? I must admit, I would be hesitant to apply the epoxy with all the swirl marks after sanding.

Thanks!

Dave

 

[AlphaGarage]

BondTite 1101 - adheres to concrete.
BondTite 1109 - adheres to VCT.

You want the sanding to remove any grim, wax, sealers, release agents, and anything that's not pure VCT. The finer grains may pack up easier, but if you don't mind changing the pad more often you can use a finer media. You can also start with a coarser grit and move to finer grit if you think the swirl marks are too noticeable.

Yes, waxing gets old fast.

 

[blazer1974]

I have the same question please. Last I knew, 1101 was the product to use over VCT

Your garage looks great blazer1974!

I would like to do this over my VCT floor I've had for about three years now as I'm tired of the waxing. Is the 80grit sanding common, or should I try to use something a little finer? I must admit, I would be hesitant to apply the epoxy with all the swirl marks after sanding.

Thanks!

Dave

I assure you, none of the swirl marks are present after the epoxy. As you can see in the pictures, the swirls were very noticeable after sanding, especially since I didn't know how to control a floor buffer. Once the epoxy is applied, the swirls vanish.

 

[ka41]

A three gallon kit costs $225 and is good for about 360 ft2. For increased durability, gloss, and UV resistance you can clear coat with EnduraShield 2254, although 1109 is very good just by itself.

I'm confused. You mention that a 3 gallon kit is good for about 360 s.f. He used one 3 gallon kit for 850 sf. Did he put it on too thin?

 

[AlphaGarage]

I'm confused. You mention that a 3 gallon kit is good for about 360 s.f. He used one 3 gallon kit for 850 sf. Did he put it on too thin?

Good catch - my mistake. We spec BondTite 1109 on VCT at 5 mils wet - although since this is a 100% solids epoxy the wet film thickness is the same as the dry film thickness - or 288 ft2 per gallon (with 10% waste factored in).

I've updated my earlier post. Thanks for catching that - (ka41 PM an address and we'll send out a modest token of our appreciation (hint: it starts with a "T" and ends with a "shirt")).






BTW - for those of you who forgot to pay the satellite bill and have nothing better to do, here's how we get to "288 ft2"...

-Every gallon of liquid (Coke, rum, rum and Coke, epoxy...) has 1,604 mils; that is a gallon of liquid will cover 1,604 square feet to a depth of 1 mil, or one square foot to a depth of 1,604 mils.

-From testing Wolverine specs that LiquaTile 1109 be applied a minimum of 5 mils thick.

-We figure that there will be about 10% waste, epoxy left in the cans, on the brush, in the shaker, etc.

Now the math;

1,604 / 5 = 320

Evenly spread to a depth of 5 mils one gallon will evenly cover 320 square feet. That is in theory.

320 - 10% = 288 In reality, despite our best attempts, we always manage to spill about 10% of our Rum & Coke.

 

[mmhouse]

Wow, that looks fantastic! This is the first install I've seen that could get me off the dime to do something better with my concrete floor.

I also am curious to know how slick it is when wet. Can something be added to the coating to give it a little more slip resistance?

My garage is used for light maintenance and repair. How well will that hold up to jack stands and rolling pump jack around? Better than just VCT? How resistant is the coating to oil and other chemicals (in my case they would not be there for long).

If something happens to this can it be patched and still look good. I like VCT because it can be easily repaired by replacing a tile(s). Can this still be done with the coating on it? Can the coating be reasonably patched?

Hopefully Fred can answer these questions.

 

[blue dog]

This is new to me, is it common to do clear epoxy over vct? is it more common in a commercial application? i would like to take a look at this somewhere, is there a big box store or chain that does this in Los Angeles so that i can see this for my own 2 eye's.
I have been trying to figure out what to do with the concrete slab in my garage, i have been thinking about having it ground down to expose the aggregate and then apply clear a clear epoxy, slip resistant finish. I like the look, looks like terrazzo. But this looks very interesting.

 

[mmhouse]

Hopefully Fred can answer these questions.

Or not.

 

[blue dog]

anyone in here but us crickets? I like the look of this and there is a good chance i may do this. Looking for a cost breakdown on the material.

 

[AlphaGarage]

When wet it can get slippery. Slip resistance can be increased by adding SuperGrip 850, a white opaque polymer grit. Figure anywhere from a heavy broadcast, 0.5 lbs per 200 ft2, to a light broadcast, 0.5 lbs per 500 ft2.

It's tough, but not as tough, as the VCT itself. For extra durability it can be clear coated with EnduraShield 2254. Both BT1109 & EDS2254 have great chemical resistance to most all common shop fluids, including brake fluids.

The coating can be patched, just feather the surrounding coating and blend it in, but just like old vct next to a new tile there will be age differences which decrease over time.

This isn't that common yet, but it is becoming a popular solution. I can't think of any Los Angeles area floors off hand. If anyone has a retail location that would like to serve as a local showroom - PM me and let's make a deal.

We h ave 3 qt kits - $75, good for about 215 ft2; and 3 gallon kits, $225, good for about 865 ft2.


This is a 2 part 10% solids epoxy, you apply it at 5 mils, it cures to 5 mils.

 

[mmhouse]

Thanks for the info. Fred.

 

[magnusrx7]

Nice!
After seeing the 51910 at a friends garage I'm going to use this in my garage but it's really expensive here in Sweden!

// Magnus

 

[Mobilejay]

SOLD! I have been wanting to do VCT for years now when a friend of mine did his garage. Topping it with a clear epoxy is something he didn't do and I had never seen. Now with seeing these pics, this is exactly what I'm doing with mine. That looks fantastic, thanks for posting.

 

[James2]

I get lots of sun, and I seem to recall reading that the epoxy won't hold up, but a urethane product will? Is there a urethane product to coat VCT that will achieve similar results as shown above?

 

[tc2000]

I have the same Sam's Club cabinets. I see you painted yours black - nice touch!

Great looking floor. How does the transition into the garage look? Any protective metal or other?

 

[keramey]

I just finished my garage floor a few months ago with Armtrong VCT and Wolverine 1109 with Supergrip 850 mixed in. There have been no problems with being too slick when wet. Thanks to Fred from AlphaGarage for all the help.
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[D C]

This looks fantastic!

Will the 80grit sanding take down the surface of old, unwaxed, well-used tile to the point where it's "renewed" so I can put down the 1109?

~Dave

 

[PaulR]

Very Interesting.

I have about 1000 Sqft of Commercial space with old VCT that needs to be cleaned good and redone. The old guy when he sealed it, sealed in the dirt and it looks bad. I just might try the 80 grit and Bondshield110whatever.

 

[groucho]

I have VCT floor that's been waxed a few yrs ago. It's time to strip and redo. But, I want to "cut" a bit of the tile after stripping to get a cleaner surface before I wax again. How'd you sand the tile? Thanks

 

[groucho]

The sanding is to make certain that there are no contaminants on the VCT. Even brand new VCT can have release agents and other coatings on them right out of the box. A quick sand insures they're removed and the BondTite is able to adhere to the VCT.

A three gallon kit costs $225 and is good for about 860 ft2. For increased durability, gloss, and UV resistance you can clear coat with EnduraShield 2254, although 1109 is very good just by itself.

The commercial side has been doing a lot of supermarkets, existing and new floors, with 1109.

How do you sand that huge area? I have a floor machine, but no sander attachment. Just a bristle wheel that drives a scotch type pad. It's not aggresive enough. Advise?