Well hell, his asking price is about $5-10 more than what he could realistically sell it for if he represented it accurately. Even then, somebody would probably purchase it.
Blatantly deceiving people on eBay
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Well hell, his asking price is about $5-10 more than what he could realistically sell it for if he represented it accurately. Even then, somebody would probably purchase it.
Look at the picture of the product between the 3in and 4in. mark. "Made in USA". The eBay seller could have gotten the tool with the sticker already on it and didn't know any better because all he is is a reseller or they are scum and like ripping people off.
measuredtwice
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That's pretty thin. Amazon's photo is the manufacturer's stock photo. Jeff Bezos isn't using a label maker to print "made in usa" stickers and scratching off the COO.
Wow, what a rush to judgment from the GJ lynching mob!!!
So the guy's been an Ebay member since '00, has absolutely perfect feedback, has no recent history of selling tools and quickly ended the listing when the COO discrepancy was pointed out to him.
I hardly think he fits the profile as a scammer. More then likely, he's a reseller and simply rec'd the product that way. It sounds more like he was a victim of deception from earlier up in the supply chain.
So the guy's been an Ebay member since '00, has absolutely perfect feedback, has no recent history of selling tools and quickly ended the listing when the COO discrepancy was pointed out to him.
I hardly think he fits the profile as a scammer. More then likely, he's a reseller and simply rec'd the product that way. It sounds more like he was a victim of deception from earlier up in the supply chain.
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measuredtwice
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You're making assumptions just like the rest of us--> "More then [sic] likely" "It sounds more like"
DSLTRK
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He said he owned it for years. Clearly he threw integrity out the window when we can see the date code on the tool.
visionguru
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Yeah, I agree with you. It's way over reacting over something of such low value.
Also, eBay is buyer friendly and hostile to the sellers. There is little chance a seller can scam a buyer, but a buyer can really scam a seller.
DSLTRK
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Quit making excuses for the guy. He's a fraudster. Plain and simple.
When he got called on his **** he retracted.
When he got called on his **** he retracted.
American Locomotive
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I mean if he bought it January 2018, it could be "years". Or he could have been mistaken and got it with a big lot of tools. I also highly doubt he went through the trouble of putting those stickers and labels on himself.
His username is "SamsHD" and he's been selling Harley parts since 2000 with 100% feedback. I doubt after 19 years of e-bay selling he's going to start scamming people with $30 ratchets....
Got be careful on Ebay. I have a few adds that have been running for years for a certain seal. I happened to be looking at my adds and noticed a identical kit sold by someone else. I made the kit contents myself. I then found they copied my add word for word including the double spacing and punctuation. They only thing they did was drop a line every other line. Found out this seller was from China and had identical adds under different seller names with different price ranges. All item reviews where from my sales. This was around two months ago. I contacted eBay and they told me the seller clearly didn't steal my add. Maybe the seller has the product but I do not think so. Its a fraudulent add but they wouldn't do squat.
Yes, but my assumptions are based on data vs emotion. (ie his Ebay history/profile dating back to '00)
Secondly, why would he have pulled his add if his intention was to deceive? He would have continued his ad till the item sold. Ebay doesn't give a **** or would do anything about COO discrepancies and he certainly wouldn't care if some random person sent him an email.
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People can change, sometimes for the better other times for the worse. We've had members here for years and decide to start scamming people. Ryan recently started a thread in the feedback section about one such member. I was quite surprised.
measuredtwice
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"Data"??? You're being silly. I have no emotion about this auction. There are loads of fakes listed every day. Antiques are especially bad.
Neither you or I know. Maybe he pulled it because we busted him. Maybe Ebay contacted him because of all the reports and he got scared. Maybe he had a change of heart.
You're making stuff up. Not using "data".
DSLTRK
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Sounds like a L****** post to me.
"Oh the poor thing didn't mean it, maybe he forgot; he could never do that, he wouldn't stick a half cent sticker that can be instantly printed on a package."
bargainhuntingking
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What’s wrong with the Mitutoyo ruler? Counterfeit?
Sobering article in the NY Times regarding fakes on Amazon:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/23/technology/amazon-**********-bookstore-books.html?
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visionguru
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Data matters. A pattern tells more about a person, than one time mistake.
You might haven't seen many real fakes of real value, and you guys are too harsh.
Many years ago, I was active in the watch collecting circle, there was a very convincing Omega fake floating Everywhere. It appeared on ebay consistently every day, lots of honest sellers/buyers were fooled by it, simply because they didn't know better. I wrote a guide about what to look for to identify this fake, I posted it on ebay and internet forums. It made me the top reviewers on ebay, and for many years I received many thank you notes, at least two were from pawn shops, telling me that they printed out my guide and were able to reject a few fakes in pawn attempts.
IMO, to brand someone with "scammer" based one incidence is unfair. Also, eBay's buyer protection is very strong. If the buyer is unhappy about the item, he can file "not as described" claim, the seller has to take it back and pay for both way shipping. I doubt any ebayer could get away with scams, it doesn't make financial sense to even try.
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measuredtwice
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Data certainly matters. Making stuff up is still making stuff up. Don't confuse the two.
Who's making stuff up??
There's no pattern that the seller did anything more then try and flip an already faked widget that he came across from who knows where. Not much different from a seller selling a widget that he bought at a garage sale that unbenonced to him could have been stolen in it's past.
Read his 2645 100% feedback reviews and then come back and tell me he's out to "blatantly deceive" his buyers to extract a couple extra dollars from one cheap widget.
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measuredtwice
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This has grown tiresome. You don't know how he got the item. You are GUESSING. You don't know who made the stickers. You are GUESSING.
There are some antique forums with entire sections for discussing fakes. Many of the fakers have 100% feedback. If the buyer doesn't know it's a fake when he buys it, then that might not change when he gets it.
All we KNOW is that he was selling an imported ratchet with fake COO.
Yes, we're all guessing including those that are making the claim that he's "blatantly deceiving people". There are two sides of every story.
I couldn't agree more.
measuredtwice
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So in other words...
All we know is that the COO was faked. Anything else is guessing. Best to be cautious when shopping on the secondary market.
Regardless of whether it was intentional or not, do your research.
I sell a lot of tools and misc. items on eBay and I do my research if I’m not knowledgable about an item. Doing that is going to help me price it accordingly and understand what I have. It’s not that difficult to find out whether an item you have is heavily involved in the counterfeiting world or not. Watches, coins, designer sunglasses... whatever it may be. Wouldn’t you want to do your research before selling so that you can get the most amount of money? I guess some people don’t, and that’s their fault.
A few years ago, I purchased a vast collection of vintage 1940’s - 1970’s bubble gum machines from an estate sale. I still haven’t parted with them because I can’t find much information about some of them online. I don’t know if they’re worth $25 or $2,500. Therefore, I’m not selling them yet.
While the seller does have 100% positive feedback and doesn’t normally sell tools, you would think the sticker on the ratchet and the scraping off of wording on the tag would make him raise an eyebrow. Had he taken the time to research, he easily could have made sense of the item and listed it according. But to say, “I’ve had it for years” when it’s a 2018 date code... that’s not “years”, that’s a year. You can still find that date code hanging at Sears and Ace Hardware.
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but in this case... there’s too much wrong with the listening and the seller wasn’t honest. Come to his defense all you want, I don’t really care.
I’m so sick of people selling Chinese Craftsman tools on eBay as USA made because they’re too ignorant to do their research. I’ve wrote people in the past to inform them and some understand, thank me and make changes, others I’ve had argue with me why I’m wrong... when I’m clearly not. I finally gave up doing it because it’s a waste of time and 99% of the general public are morons anyway.
I sell a lot of tools and misc. items on eBay and I do my research if I’m not knowledgable about an item. Doing that is going to help me price it accordingly and understand what I have. It’s not that difficult to find out whether an item you have is heavily involved in the counterfeiting world or not. Watches, coins, designer sunglasses... whatever it may be. Wouldn’t you want to do your research before selling so that you can get the most amount of money? I guess some people don’t, and that’s their fault.
A few years ago, I purchased a vast collection of vintage 1940’s - 1970’s bubble gum machines from an estate sale. I still haven’t parted with them because I can’t find much information about some of them online. I don’t know if they’re worth $25 or $2,500. Therefore, I’m not selling them yet.
While the seller does have 100% positive feedback and doesn’t normally sell tools, you would think the sticker on the ratchet and the scraping off of wording on the tag would make him raise an eyebrow. Had he taken the time to research, he easily could have made sense of the item and listed it according. But to say, “I’ve had it for years” when it’s a 2018 date code... that’s not “years”, that’s a year. You can still find that date code hanging at Sears and Ace Hardware.
I like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but in this case... there’s too much wrong with the listening and the seller wasn’t honest. Come to his defense all you want, I don’t really care.
I’m so sick of people selling Chinese Craftsman tools on eBay as USA made because they’re too ignorant to do their research. I’ve wrote people in the past to inform them and some understand, thank me and make changes, others I’ve had argue with me why I’m wrong... when I’m clearly not. I finally gave up doing it because it’s a waste of time and 99% of the general public are morons anyway.
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thesilverone
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seller is an idiot + buyer beware
kbuhagiar
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Bingo!
'Morons' may be a little harsh...Let's just call them 'uninformed', or 'clueless'.
They're the same folks who think that the IRS would call and ask for payment in Target gift cards.
This is why fraud is a growth market, especially here in the USA, and so many shady operators are so successful for so long.