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I can't believe i have missed this build sideroad, i take my hat off to you for taking on a build of this nature, working at those heights i am out. I am looking forward to the end result as probably you are, i like that new plate system for the posts and i have never heard of them until this thread but just wondering if they will have much movement once the soil dries out as i know with my place when it really dries out i can push a 3 meter length of conduit all the way down the cracks in the ground.
Keep up the great work and i hope you make the deadline so you don't have to pay the council more fees. Lee
Thanks for the nice words. I am not aware of too much movement in our ground, but I would expect this footing method would still work in your situation. The piers are driven in at an angle and create a kind of dovetail effect. So you cracks being vertical would only effect a short section of the pier. Though I suspect you would need a reasonable length pier. I posted a link to the site early on, I pretty sure the site covers some more detail.

Absolutely awesome build - I grew up in Switzerland, where they do amazing things on hillsides, but usually by throwing lots of money and concrete at the problem! This build on the other hand, appears to use some thought and really clever footings. Please keep the updates coming,
From a subscribed and impressed pom...
Thanks, I would love to have just thrown money at it an just start using it, but money is not in abundance here in this build.

ummmm ... maybe, its the fancy blue gum floor ??
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Heck of a spot to build on,
... good job on overcoming the issues and utilising the area underneath .. :thumbup:
I think they freaked out at the two levels, the roof pitch, eaves and a varandah, oh and the nice timber floor. Funny how it practically is a house apart from the intended use, but as I agued with them, people live in standard crappy sheds all the time and they pass them.


Those drawings sure explain it much better. Thank you.
I thought it only fair as I am sure it was getting confusing.
 
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Can you take a picture away from the road? We want to see the amazing view you must have down the hillside!
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Is this what you were thinking? Funny thing is it is much steeper then the photos makes it seem. This is off the ramp to the shed. Is the only spot I could get a clear shot to the bottom of the yard, too many ****** trees :).
 
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Time for the concrete transition from driveway to ramp. I have dug and filled and shored up the fill with old roofing. Looks dodgy, but the concrete won't care.

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It's not easy to notice, but I have welded up a 75x75mm galv angle edging as the fall was such a pain to deal with and I suspected the boxing could move with all the weight. Given that the ground falls away, bracing the boxing is not as easy as normal.

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I have driven spare piers about 600mm deep into the already 300mm deep footings and welded my edging to them, so I am not expecting it to move.

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You may notice the weeds growing in the fill. I am doing all this over weekends, afternoons and every holiday break. Looking at the pics it looks like a steady pace, but it took months to get this far.

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I am using spare roofing for the formwork skin, should give an interesting surface.

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Almost ready for the pour.

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Bracing looks sh*t and was such a hassle. Did I mention I wouldn't buy on a mountain again?

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Now it gets serious. I have worked on many footings and slabs as a carpenter, but hate working concrete. I just never got enough experience to be confident and it has been about a decade since the last one.

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Me on right and best mate doing all the work. :)

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My brother got to tamping the walls and footings (pretty dry mix). Tricky bit was it would have been great to have a wetter mix for the footings and walls and a dry mix for the slab, but we all know it just don't work that way.

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Done and happy. That falls were a mission to work, but we did pretty well. Except I buggered up my calculations (if you can call them that) an had a couple of spare cubic meters of concrete left over. Would have cost me an extra $200 to send it back. So my father in-law and brother spread it over the hill to be used as fill down the track. (only up side was it killed the weeds)

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:( So many levels of not cool. $, extra work and a concrete monument to my bad maths. I still don't know what I did wrong. I don't have pics of jack hammering it all up, but it took a mate and I most of a 41degC, 90% humidity summer day to bust it and move it under the workshop. Just another level of not cool, literally. :)

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I think it turned out pretty good. :)

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Big thanks Matt!

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I'm really happy I went with the edging, made getting the levels so much easier.

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See what I mean by falls? Slab yet to be broom finished.

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The wall texture.

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The profile of the roofing is spandek or something similar. Great strong profile and looks industrial, funny as it is an industrial product. :)

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I'll have my assignment done this weekend, so hope to have another few sessions uploading all my happy snaps early next week. Sorry for all the concrete pics, you all have no idea how many I didn't upload. :)
 

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Is this what you were thinking? Funny thing is it is much steeper then the photos makes it seem. This is off the ramp to the shed. Is the only spot I could get a clear shot to the bottom of the yard, too many ****** trees :).

I guess so... its just that when one builds on a cliff - the reason is to look off the cliff ?

Just wanted to see what you can see from up there. Are the trees so thick and tall that they block the horizon, even on that steep of a slope ?

will there be downslope areas that you will use that can take advantage of the lower storage, or will the use be mainly from the top ?
 
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Looking fantastic, well done.:thumbup:
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absolutely amazing! love it. quick ? what is the machine you used to drive the rods ?
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Thanks, I used a jackhammer with a star picket driver socket that slipped over the end of the tube.

I don't know much about concrete, but that looks good.
Thanks, was a tricky job.

I guess so... its just that when one builds on a cliff - the reason is to look off the cliff ?
Just wanted to see what you can see from up there. Are the trees so thick and tall that they block the horizon, even on that steep of a slope ?
will there be downslope areas that you will use that can take advantage of the lower storage, or will the use be mainly from the top ?
hey Radix2, We have a view of the neighbors bush back yards as our 'Cliff' is part of a valley/gully. We get to have acres of tress without having to buy a huge block.
If you have a look at the drawings i posted earlier you will notice the intention of utilizing the lower space. The details are basic, but coming pics should clear it up.
 
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This has been part of the cause of my delay in new posts.
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I am lifting my ute. This pic shows the rear done (and needing bigger tyres) and this weekend I am doing the front.
Over here in Australia we had a Ford ute model called an RTV (rough terrain vehicle) and I have used all the suspension and locking diff to make my own 'RTV'.
 
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During the build process I was also on the hunt for roofing and wall sheeting. New Gavlanised corrugated iron was going to be about $12lm, but I tracked some down for about $2lm secondhand and pre-weathered.

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It took a few days to unload all the full length sheets of the trailer, sort them and cut to length. A big thanks to my Dad and father in-law for their huge help.
The owner was great to let us use his yard to lay them out and cut them. I had to cut them to length on site as more then half the sheets were rusted out due to being stacked uncovered for over a year and I had limited room to do cutting at home.
We spent most of our time just trying to get usable lengths from rusted sheets. I had to planned the best sheets for the roof, 2nd best for the wall facing the house, 3rd best for the side facing the rock wall and was able to use newer, but very bright sheets on the end wall that will never really be seen.
You will notice later how good the older sheets look compare to having bright shiny Zincalume sheets that will almost never dull
We used a metal cutting blade in my 9" circular saw and would cut about 6 sheets at a time. The hot chips were quite painful on my face and down my shirt, but it left a neat cut with no burning, unlike a grinder cut off wheel.
The most stressful part of it all was planing all the wall and roof sheets for length and knowing I only get one go at it.
The profile is not made any more and new sheets of similar profile would look dreadful alongside the old ones.
The owner allowed me to stack and store the sheets for a few weeks until I was ready for them. Given our limited access and single width driveway, I would be blocking car access once they are delivered.

Just a little safety note: The white powder (zinc) from corroded galanised iron breaking down is nasty stuff.
I have welded galv steel before and had night sweets as a result of not having enough ventilation, this powder can give similar symptoms.
I tried to be as careful as possible by dusting/wiping them off, using gloves, long sleeves and face shield, but I still noticed the effect each night.
 
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I am currently avoiding going outside due to the constant heavy rain we are having as a result of a double cyclone. It is perfect weather for a slow morning inside.

Time to join the ramp to the driveway.
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One of the bonuses of using the corrugated iron for the form work is the great drainage around the pole plate supporting the joists.

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Just getting here, but man, I'm along for the ride. Some interesting engineering and design ideas. Can't wait to see the corrugated metal start going up.
Thanks for the safety tip about the powder from corroded galvanized tin, I have quite a bit of that I will be working with.
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Just had to take the car out on it. Should give a sense of scale.

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Now it was much easier to walk the timber flooring out and lay it. I would have prefered to do an infill floor after the roof was on, but given the height and risk of injury building the walls, standing the trusses and sheeting the roof, I opted to lay the floor and stand the wall on top.
On a normal build this would all take just a few of days, but due to only having weekends this took much longer.

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Same arvo I finished laying the floor, we put it to use for dinner with the wife's family. I had a hard time keeping ownership of the workshop floor after my wife claimed it as her party deck.

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Funny how it looks small now.

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This shot shows another angle of our steep block, taken from the top of the rock wall.

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Mechanic pit for those with Inspector Gadget arms.


I used a few coats of a linseed and turpentine floor finish to protect the timber from the weather, but it turned out to be not enough protection. I considered using plastic to cover the floor, but chose not to as the the plastic would get well over 70degC in the sun and cook the flooring.
The boards did warp a little from the weather and developed some gaps, but I should be able to sand most of it out. I struggle to keep remembering that it is just a workshop and gaps in the floor are ok.
 

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Perhaps the most interesting build I've seen here. You, kind sir, are an absolute glutton for punishment. I will enjoy your build vicariously here from the frigid North. Subscribed.
 
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This is so far off the insanity scale, I'm speechless :bow: I'm not one for new builds, but this blows my mind. To me, this is beyond even the Concrete Underground, especially because you're doing it yourself, on a budget, while being going to school and being married. You, sir, are a stud among men. :thumbup: This is incredibly cool and you're probably right in that you'll never sell it because of all you have physically and emotionally invested in it. I just hope you don't come home drunk one night and miss the driveway by a little bit, it'd be a quick trip to the bottom of the hill.:lol: Count me in for the rest of the ride.
 
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Thanks for all the positive comments, they help encourage me to keep uploading more. In the very beginning of the build I tried to keep daily forum up dates, but was just so knackered each build day I rarely got to it.
Many people think driving out on the ramp is scary and dangerous, but it is the width of the driveway and I don't drive off the edge of that too often. :)
Though the death and destruction of going off the ramp would be something I wouldn't forget (If I was still alive).:)

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This shot shows the bracing and the PFCs for the lower level. You may also notice the Iron bark with the termite nest has been cut down. I was ok with keeping the tree, but it was just too close to the roof line. To give you an idea of how hard our timber is here. This small tree took 4 sharpens of the chain saw to drop and cut up. (I'm sure the termite tracks contributed to the dulling of the blades).

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Within a week they were back and looking for the tree. :)

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A shot from the back varandah. A huge bonus is that the workshop will block the neighbours from looking directly down on us.

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The walls are happening! I have help from a mate for our 2 week holiday. So walls and trusses will go up quickly.

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Now it is looking high.

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From half way down the block.

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And the trusses are now here.

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Can't understand council thinking it was a house. :)

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That's me up there. I tossed my 'tough' camera down to my mate to get a shot. I forgot 'tough' is not 'indestructible' so good thing he caught it.

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Looking like it could be a good work space.

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An expensive way of blocking out the neighbours. :)
 

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I love seeing how things are done in other parts of the world.

Definitely different techniques than I'm used to.

It's going to be a great space. Looking forward to seeing more.
 

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So seeing it but not seeing how it was done. I assume you built the walls on the deck then stood them up. How did you get the trusses up? And how the heck are you going to install the sheathing and siding. Skyhook I presume. Man be safe!!!

Looking good.... and interesting, thanks for sharing.
 

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I think the sky hook is the best invention ever... I use to run around looki for on on a construction site in Toronto when I was about 21....
 

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Glad to see you covered the hole in the floor. If that were my shop floor I would have dropped a hundred tools down that hole. LOL

Question, whats with the termites? You have such a nice pile of wood for them to munch on. Your laying it out so nice pretty for them. Kinda like having a sign that says "Eat at The Blue Gum Garage" Is that preservative an effective deterrent?

We don"t have termite's to deal with here, Its got me all curious as to what there all about.

Great build thread. Chris
 
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Thanks to all for the positive comments.
I love seeing how things are done in other parts of the world.
Definitely different techniques than I'm used to.
It's going to be a great space. Looking forward to seeing more.
Thanks RivennHewn, I am constantly amazed by the amount of material and how different your materials and techniques are compared to here, though I do understand some areas need deep walls for insulation and roofs that have to support heavy snow.
We mostly use 70x35mm or 90x35/45mm pine studs for our framing. Pretty light, but does the job.
I think over here we have paired it back to just what we need and very little more.

Very nice mate love the scenery. But I think my starfish would snap shut every time I`d drive a car in??
The star fish would get used to it. I used to park so close to the edge one time I had 1/2" of tread over the edge. :eek: I was a little more careful from then on.

What a GREAT structure and great location. I'd be tempted to use it for almost anything other than a garage!
Dan in Pasadena, If I already had workshop space I wouldn't even bother building it, but I have kept in mind future owners and their ability to re-purpose it to a studio or teenager retreat.

So seeing it but not seeing how it was done. I assume you built the walls on the deck then stood them up. How did you get the trusses up? And how the heck are you going to install the sheathing and siding. Skyhook I presume. Man be safe!!!
Looking good.... and interesting, thanks for sharing.
Hey BuickFarmer, Yes, build the frames on the deck and stand them and brace. They are pretty light with two. From past experience, when standing the frames it is a good idea to limit how far over they can lean. I would hate to have the wall fall off the edge.
As for trusses, my mate and I lift one end onto the top plate, I climb up and stand on the top plate and my mate pushes them up. We repeat until we have a stack, then we both then carry them along the top plate to location.
I would have taken pics of the stages, but would have slowed the job down too much.
I'll discuss sheeting and methods soon.
Sky hooks would be great, but I have always found them as hard to buy as checkered paint.

I think the sky hook is the best invention ever... I use to run around looki for on on a construction site in Toronto when I was about 21....
Notgrownup did you also get sent to the hardware for a long weight(wait)?

Glad to see you covered the hole in the floor. If that were my shop floor I would have dropped a hundred tools down that hole. LOL
Question, whats with the termites? You have such a nice pile of wood for them to munch on. Your laying it out so nice pretty for them. Kinda like having a sign that says "Eat at The Blue Gum Garage" Is that preservative an effective deterrent?
We don"t have termite's to deal with here, Its got me all curious as to what there all about.
Great build thread. Chris
Hey Chris/Ajustable, My friends and family kept freaking out about the big hole and couldn't understand how I didn't fall through. I guess I was aware of it even when it was only lines on a page and worked around it just fine. I did cover it as my mate was a little concerned and you have to look after your free labour (oh and the paid ones too).
As for termites, They really only eat the bark of the iron barks, the timber is too dense for their liking if other varieties are around. The cut bits have been down there for a couple of years now and still have their bark. I have a hard full of stick, branches and logs, so the termites are pretty busy still.
I have numerous trees with nests and have no issues with them. I check my steel posts on the house and workshop for tracks, but so far they are very happy eating the timber in the bush. (though they do eat out tree stakes up to the ground level)
Years ago I had a boss that used to store his concrete boxing/formwork timbers and other random bits out the back near the shed. We would always loose some to the termites between jobs, but he figured they were happy and would stay out of the house. He never had an issue with them in the house for over 15years, but when he sold and cleaned up the backyard the new owners had an infestation within 3mths. (I can see this is a vicious cycle of food availability and termite population balance, but worked for him)
I think the termites can travel underground for about 1 Km or 2 from the nest, so killing my ones would make no difference if any neighbour still has them.
All the timbers in the workshop are H4 or H3 treated (even the flooring) and I have min 150mm visible clearance from dirt to any timbers. This way I can see any tracks. Main issue here in Oz is that people no longer inspect their houses and build gardens up to the house walls and an infestation is only really noticed once it is too late.

I hope to have the next installment later tonight.
Thanks again everyone for the comments.
 

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It's interesting about the big hole in the floor, our house in France we have a reasonable sized terrace outside the front door which is on the middle floor of three. For the first probably three or four years we had no railing around it and on the downhill side its probably a ten/twelve foot drop. No one ever came close to falling off it despite on many occasions sitting out there enjoying a few drinks watching the sun go down. It's only when we had kids on the way that we put up a railing. It seems that no matter how tipsy you are your body has some strange sense of self preservation around bug drops.
 
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It's interesting about the big hole in the floor, our house in France we have a reasonable sized terrace outside the front door which is on the middle floor of three. For the first probably three or four years we had no railing around it and on the downhill side its probably a ten/twelve foot drop. No one ever came close to falling off it despite on many occasions sitting out there enjoying a few drinks watching the sun go down. It's only when we had kids on the way that we put up a railing. It seems that no matter how tipsy you are your body has some strange sense of self preservation around bug drops.
I agree, when the danger is obvious we are more careful. A rotten or badly constructed hand rail is far more dangerous then none at all.
 
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Time for wall sheets. The plan was to avoid paying thousands of dollars for scaffolding by sheeting the walls first in full lengths and then doing the roof. I was to screw from the ground up to the floor and my mate would screw the top of the sheet from over the top plate.
We worked out a system of a rope over the top plate and a double clamps pinching the sheet. We both then lifted the sheet vertical, my mate went up top and we both lifted it up, I held the height and he popped a screw in. Due to them being second hand they were not consistent for parallel. So we had to keep ensuring we keep the edges and joins plumb, which took a bit of effort.
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We battened it out with metal top hat battens, same I use for the roof.
They were great to work with, easy to cut, light yet strong.

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We stopped short of the corner by 3m to allow for my plywood climbing wall. Sadly months later I realised I couldn't afford the ply and my hands are so bad with carpel tunnel and I have bad 'tennis' elbow (AKA carpenter elbow) that I will never really climb again, so canned that idea and sheeted to the corner like a normal person. (still planing on a fireman pole though, just after council approval)
Note the great aged look, not bright and shinny. :)

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For each sheet we lost about 10min just making a base for the ladder. Such a pain. It took about an hour a sheet, set up the ladder, carry the sheet down the hill, lift into place and fix it off (all in the hot summer heat with cooking hot sheets).
The back wall gets full summer sun in the after noon, and on the first weekend we got to the back wall just as it hit the hottest and brightest. I think I did half of the screwing off with my eyes closed due to the glare (no one will ever notice the screw lines are crooked :)).
Some may notice the picnic table and umbrella on the top floor, that was only for keeping the sun off our tools so we don't burn our hands.

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From inside underneath.

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A weekend's work, slow going.

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Pick the difference.
We (Wife, neighbour and myself) are painting trusses before roof goes on, so much easier then after. Took a couple of coats and every arvo during the week.

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Tails of the rafters also, as I couldn't figure how I would ever get to them later. I dreamt every detail weeks if not months before actually doing it, I still missed heaps and had to wing it though.

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Another weekend and all the walls are done. (except the 'not ' climbing wall)

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Back wall. The only injury we had on the build has been to me. One of the G clamps fell of the rope at the top of the wall and clocked me in the head. Split my scalp open through my felt hat. My mate looked over the wall when he realised he was short a clamp and saw me kneeling on the ground dazed with a face covered in blood. :eek:
We called for an early lunch and cleaned it up. Not too big a cut, but it sure ****** hurt. (took over a year to fully heal, and another to stop being tender). I was just happy it didn't happen to anyone else.

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Taking shape now. We had a sleep over in the workshop. My brothers, nephews and niece and my father. BBQ and fire on the drive way, sleeping bags on the floor and a swing from the trusses. Tarped a section of the roof just in case it rained, and it did. Felt great to share my space after all the hard work. Next, roof!
EDIT: Opps, have to finish sheeting the top of the gable ends first. Was going to go clear polycab as I like the idea of the glow showing through at night, but saved the money and just used plain sheets. Took a weekend on my own, so fiddly cutting all the angles and hanging upside down to fix off the bottom of the short sheets.
 
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Hey Sideroad, Thanks for the update and the life of the termite. Always a fascinating subject, The life of insects. Will look forward to your updates on the build.
 
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