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The solar system:

Mary's violet eyes make John stay up nights.

Mercury
Venus
Earth
Mars
Jupiter
Saturn
Uranus
Neptune
Pluto

Although since we've essentially 'cancelled' Pluto, I guess the sentence now has no end...
 
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The solar system:

Mary's violet eyes make John stay up nights.

Mercury
Venus
Earth
Mars
Jupiter
Saturn
Uranus
Neptune
Pluto

Although since we've essentially 'cancelled' Pluto, I guess the sentence now has no end...

With Pluto, this one takes on a lot more sinister tone:

Mary's Violet Eyes Make John Stay Up Nights. Plotting...
 
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I remember those. I also remember my Nana being told how kind she was to take her girl's child out for the day.
Kay, I stay away from children as much as possible. The Episcopal minister at our church thought my daughter was my wife for way too long. All my granddaughters are in their 20s now so I rarely go out in public with them. I would venture out more but I was told some crazy doctor named Kimble is stalking me.
The solar system:

Mary's violet eyes make John stay up nights.

Mercury
Venus
Earth
Mars
Jupiter
Saturn
Uranus
Neptune
Pluto

Although since we've essentially 'cancelled' Pluto, I guess the sentence now has no end...
Mark, when I was growing up the 200-inch reflector telescope at the Mt. Palomar observatory was the best we had. It was a disappointment when I visited it in 1955 at age 10. I was told I couldn't look through it and was pretty sure the whole planet thing was a hoax. What I could see of the telescope looked nothing like the ones I was familiar with.
Just heard this one recently and I like that it's racy but can still be used in polite company:
Mary's Virgin Excuse Makes Joseph Suspect Upstairs Neighbor.
@Modern Garage, never heard that one but it would be easier to remember for me.
With Pluto, this one takes on a lot more sinister tone:

Mary's Violet Eyes Make John Stay Up Nights. Plotting...
Tom, I try not to picture a stupid dog and prefer the Roman version: Pluto is the brother of gods Jupiter and Neptune, and in a lottery to split up dominion of the universe, he received the underworld. Nice that it's small and so far away.
 
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I've given up. I've lived my whole life without a security system but a car parked across the street at the Frat House had some 'stuff' taken. These fraternity members have relatively new BMWs, Mustangs and lifted pickups so their 'stuff' must have been valuable. One of them came to our house to inquire if we had security cameras and a few days later a couple of police officers stopped by and asked the same question (apparently the Frat boy didn't believe me when I said I didn't). I don't remember hearing them say "You should get some cameras" but SWMBO believes she did.

Our neighbor had a remotely monitored system that went off randomly and one time it went off when they weren't home. When they didn't answer, the company called us and asked if we would go over and see if it was a false alarm. The police apparently charge for false alarms and the company didn't want to risk one of their employees' lives in the event there was an armed intruder. I'm not willing to pay for that kind of 'service' (too much like animal husbandry 'service').

I am now the proud owner of an eight camera CCTV system with a DVD recorder. I feel the same about wifi for security as I do for phone service but it does have a wifi antenna. I don't know exactly how someone would get a Pegasus program on either the security system or my phone but I prefer life without sharing my finances and conversations.
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All I have to do is mount the 8 cameras, run power and BNC cables from the cameras to the recorder, which will reside in the attic and then run CAT6, HDMI, USB and RCA cables from the recorder to the kitchen TV. At some point I should also connect a microphone and speaker near the front door camera.

Our cool winter weather should make the time in the attic(s) bearable. Three of the eight cameras may involve an extension ladder.
 

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I've given up. I've lived my whole life without a security system but a car parked across the street at the Frat House had some 'stuff' taken. These fraternity members have relatively new BMWs, Mustangs and lifted pickups so their 'stuff' must have been valuable. One of them came to our house to inquire if we had security cameras and a few days later a couple of police officers stopped by and asked the same question (apparently the Frat boy didn't believe me when I said I didn't). I don't remember hearing them say "You should get some cameras" but SWMBO believes she did.

Our neighbor had a remotely monitored system that went off randomly and one time it went off when they weren't home. When they didn't answer, the company called us and asked if we would go over and see if it was a false alarm. The police apparently charge for false alarms and the company didn't want to risk one of their employees' lives in the event there was an armed intruder. I'm not willing to pay for that kind of 'service' (too much like animal husbandry 'service').

I am now the proud owner of an eight camera CCTV system with a DVD recorder. I feel the same about wifi for security as I do for phone service but it does have a wifi antenna. I don't know exactly how someone would get a Pegasus program on either the security system or my phone but I prefer life without sharing my finances and conversations.
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All I have to do is mount the 8 cameras, run power and BNC cables from the cameras to the recorder, which will reside in the attic and then run CAT6, HDMI, USB and RCA cables from the recorder to the kitchen TV. At some point I should also connect a microphone and speaker near the front door camera.

Our cool winter weather should make the time in the attic(s) bearable. Three of the eight cameras may involve an extension ladder.
We had mail thefts in our neighborhood. I installed a NIghtOwl system with four cameras. Ran all the cables to the locations. I live in a two story. I picked the upstairs room as the hub. It wasn't overly difficult just figuring out where I could fish the wires through.
I have good coverage with 4 cameras. The court in front, the front door, the driveway and the side of the house. One thing I noticed after a few years is the image on the recording is diminished. But when I look at the cameras live they are clear. I have had one hard drive fail and replaced it.
If I would have known what I know now. I would have installed the hub in the garage. I could have easily ran all the cables to the all the locations along the ceilings and not had to fish them into the upstairs room.
I noticed that people spot the cameras and keep their head looking down. I would have mounted one looking at the front door too. People have a tendency to look up heading out.
For the most part the cameras are a deterrent. I used to check them regularly but I haven't looked at the videos in 6 months.
Good luck and hopefully they will be a waste of money, like mine.

I used a game cam hidden in the tree by our mailboxes got a picture of the person and the van. Got the van on the security camera but it wasn't clear enough to make out the plate. The game cam was crystal clear. Turned it in to the sheriff.
The mail thieves were caught a few days later.
 
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Good luck with the camera install, it ***** but it seems to be part of the city living as we are dealing with increase in theft around my place. Hopefully shootings aren’t as popular around your area too.
 

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Good luck on your security cam installation -- that sounds like a lot of wire pulling! If any of the included cables aren't long enough, you can substitute coax cable and crimp BNC connectors on the ends. I also bought a few male and female BNC adapters online, and use them for extension cables. (If you do use coax, get the copper core kind, instead of the copper coated steel, to decrease noise/interference.)

Quick question -- will the heat in the attic be too much for the DVR?
 
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We had mail thefts in our neighborhood. I installed a NIghtOwl system with four cameras. Ran all the cables to the locations. I live in a two story. I picked the upstairs room as the hub. It wasn't overly difficult just figuring out where I could fish the wires through.
I have good coverage with 4 cameras. The court in front, the front door, the driveway and the side of the house. One thing I noticed after a few years is the image on the recording is diminished. But when I look at the cameras live they are clear. I have had one hard drive fail and replaced it.
If I would have known what I know now. I would have installed the hub in the garage. I could have easily ran all the cables to the all the locations along the ceilings and not had to fish them into the upstairs room.
I noticed that people spot the cameras and keep their head looking down. I would have mounted one looking at the front door too. People have a tendency to look up heading out.
For the most part the cameras are a deterrent. I used to check them regularly but I haven't looked at the videos in 6 months.
Good luck and hopefully they will be a waste of money, like mine.

I used a game cam hidden in the tree by our mailboxes got a picture of the person and the van. Got the van on the security camera but it wasn't clear enough to make out the plate. The game cam was crystal clear. Turned it in to the sheriff.
The mail thieves were caught a few days later.
Leonard, the house across the street has been a rental for more than 20 years. One family that moved in was real sketchy. The father ran some kind of used car lot that specialized in foreign and Donk-adjacent cars, like the Jaguar XJ sedan and the orange Mercury Grand Marquis. He liked to come out to get the mail in his underwear and his teenage sons were sketchy. They borrowed my battery charger and pulled the ground pin from the power cable because their extension cord didn't have a 3-prong outlet. When they asked to borrow a pair of pliers I gave them the cheapest, rustiest one in my collection and never saw it again. When the neighbors to the right went on a vacation, their hose was broken into and the usual teen criminal mastermind stuff was taken. That's when they had an alarm installed.
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Many people put up fake cameras or steal those ADT signs and put them out front as deterrent but I'd rather spend a little more time and money to put up real cameras with local recording. The whole system cost 41¢ less than $300 so I'm investing less than the cost of a year of "Give us your neighbor's phone number in case of a dangerous situation" security service. From my first test setup the 1080p cameras work well, even in the dark.
That stinks that trouble visited across the street.
Kirk, I suspect one of the Frat Boys upset a fellow student at Florida Atlantic University and the bad trouble was payback.
Good luck with the camera install, it ***** but it seems to be part of the city living as we are dealing with increase in theft around my place. Hopefully shootings aren’t as popular around your area too.
Cody, there are always people walking past our house on their way to one of the 7 churches, two synagogues and two Muslim facilities. After the Parkland High School shootings, all the students at Boca Raton High School cut school and marched past our house on the way to City Hall and the Police Station two blocks southeast of us. We have a lot of folks around us who like the sound of gunshots but I hope and believe they are just firecrackers.

Then again, we now have a high speed rail station two blocks away so Miami criminals have a $12.50 54-minute ride to our back door.
Good luck on your security cam installation -- that sounds like a lot of wire pulling! If any of the included cables aren't long enough, you can substitute coax cable and crimp BNC connectors on the ends. I also bought a few male and female BNC adapters online, and use them for extension cables. (If you do use coax, get the copper core kind, instead of the copper coated steel, to decrease noise/interference.)

Quick question -- will the heat in the attic be too much for the DVR?
Rick, we're in sync. I didn't actually measure all the runs but the 8 supplied cables are 60-feet long. Suspecting some of the runs might be longer, I ordered a 4-pack of 50-foot extension cables. The set even comes with 4 BNC Female to BNC Female Connectors and 4 BNC Female to RCA Male Adapters.
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After I wrote "will reside in the attic" it occurred to me the DVR wouldn't thrive in a 140°F environment and realized I have a cabinet above the kitchen TV with a perfect mounting location.
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It will need a couple of vents to keep the cabinet reasonably cool.
 

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Animal husbandry “service”

Just when I give up, because most people do not know the term service in that context, you make my heart whole again.

i used the term in context of not getting the service but being serviced and it went way over the head of said perpetrator.

And still be get serviced.
 

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we now have a high speed rail station two blocks away so Miami criminals have a $12.50 54-minute ride to our back door.
Pickin's good-enough in Miami-Dade County, there's no-need to travel. The criminals you need to worry-about are travelling from Broward County. That's Ft. Lauderdale/Pompano Beach to you out-of-towners.

I saw Brighline (the easternmost rail line, closest-to the ocean/population center of the east coast of FL) is going to be 'experimenting' with speeds to 110 mph now. By 'experimenting,' they need to allow periodic servicing to remove the cars, trucks, and pedestrians from the locomotive's 'cow-catcher.'

I rode the next-furthest west rail line in south FL (Tri-Rail) from Broward County to Boynton Beach 5 days/week for a year, it was quite pleasant.
 

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the house across the street has been a rental for more than 20 years. One family that moved in was real sketchy.
It seems everyone has one. I always hoped the difficult neighbor would be me. Maybe it is...:D

Just out of curiosity? Did your neighbor ask you if they could give your number to the monitoring company? Seems like a huge liability for both your neighbors and the monitoring company.

Here's our city code.

"An alarm owner shall not operate an alarm system which generates more than two (2) false alarms in any twelve (12) month period"

Not sure what the penalty would be.
 

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Thief. Unfortunately it’s the peace and love world we live in today. When my trailer was stolen business across the street had numerous cameras. When I asked, they didn’t realize it hadn’t been recording for several months. With the pawnshop, the alarm company was great at alerting me 10 minutes after the alarm went off. They served as more of a board it up notice than a security alarm.
 

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I ordered a 4-pack of 50-foot extension cables. The set even comes with 4 BNC Female to BNC Female Connectors and 4 BNC Female to RCA Male Adapters.
Those extension cables look like they'll work well for you. And that kitchen cabinet looks perfect for the DVR. But I don't envy you working in the attic on this little project...
 
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Bob, I put in a Lorex system with 2-way chat. It has already come in handy. I scared the holy living hell out of the people from the county that came to "re-appraise" my property when I set the alarm off :ROFLMAO:
Marc, thanks, now I have more work to do. I'm thinking about putting a speaker near the front door camera (there might be two). I'd love to disguise it and be able to let my visitors know no one is home. It needs to have a recorded loop with a toilet flushing in the background.
Animal husbandry “service”

Just when I give up, because most people do not know the term service in that context, you make my heart whole again.

i used the term in context of not getting the service but being serviced and it went way over the head of said perpetrator.

And still be get serviced.
Rian, if it isn't on a screen the majority have no clue.
Pickin's good-enough in Miami-Dade County, there's no-need to travel. The criminals you need to worry-about are travelling from Broward County. That's Ft. Lauderdale/Pompano Beach to you out-of-towners.

I saw Brighline (the easternmost rail line, closest-to the ocean/population center of the east coast of FL) is going to be 'experimenting' with speeds to 110 mph now. By 'experimenting,' they need to allow periodic servicing to remove the cars, trucks, and pedestrians from the locomotive's 'cow-catcher.'

I rode the next-furthest west rail line in south FL (Tri-Rail) from Broward County to Boynton Beach 5 days/week for a year, it was quite pleasant.
Philip, it's almost like the Brightline schedule is designed for criminals. A train leaves Ft. Lauderdale at 12:20 AM and arrives in Boca Raton 16 minutes later. The return trip at 05:29 AM gives a burglar almost five hours to make the rounds. The round trip is only $20.

I expect some of the experiment will involve timing of the crossing gates. At the 110mph test speed the train covers 161.3 feet per second so those gate closing triggers better be a lot further down the track than the ones triggered by the freight trains.

At the end of 1995, after six months of commuting between Florida and D.C., I was one flight short of Platinum frequent flyer on Delta. I decided it was worth taking a $50 Delta Express, Palm Beach International -- Orlando round trip flight (it's $847 these days). Rather than drive and park, took the Tri-Rail from Boca Raton to West Palm Beach. It's a one hour trip on the train and there's a free shuttle bus from the train to the airport (and back). It was perfect for the trip to the airport in the morning. Train arrives at the WPB station and the shuttle was waiting. About a half hour later I'm at the airport a half hour before or my flight (this is the pre-9/11 world). The return connection was exactly the opposite. I had to wait 45 minutes for the shuttle, which was running a little late and when it was a little late to the train station, it was another hour wait. The return shuttle/train trip was way longer than the flight.
It seems everyone has one. I always hoped the difficult neighbor would be me. Maybe it is...:D

Just out of curiosity? Did your neighbor ask you if they could give your number to the monitoring company? Seems like a huge liability for both your neighbors and the monitoring company.

Here's our city code.

"An alarm owner shall not operate an alarm system which generates more than two (2) false alarms in any twelve (12) month period"

Not sure what the penalty would be.
Leonard, I'm the neighbor with the compressor and air tools and the smell of automotive paint wafts over the neighborhood from my Chapel/paint booth. I do oil changes, brake jobs and many other automotive repair jobs on the driveway with the cars on jack stands.

My neighbor did ask before he shared our number. I expected to receive a call from the company asking if I knew they were home or away, not could I go check for criminal activity.

Our city code is similar, with two free false alarms but the penalty goes up fast after that. It also depends on whether you registered your alarm. Third and fourth false fire alarms are $300 each ($150 for unregistered alarms) and for police alarms $200 each ($100 unregistered). The fine escalates from there and if your system makes habitual false alarms (16 or more in a year), the fire department charges $1,800 each and the police get $1,250 each. We left our house vacant for two years while in Australia and didn't have an alarm system of any kind. If we had a crappy alarm system, I can see the bill now: "Welcome home, your security system produced 700 false fire alarms over the past two years so please remit $1,260,000.00 at your earliest convenience."
Thief. Unfortunately it’s the peace and love world we live in today. When my trailer was stolen business across the street had numerous cameras. When I asked, they didn’t realize it hadn’t been recording for several months. With the pawnshop, the alarm company was great at alerting me 10 minutes after the alarm went off. They served as more of a board it up notice than a security alarm.
Shorty, I am glad I'm old. I don't remember as much anger and hate when I was growing up. We also didn't have much that was worth stealing. I do remember being told to "look both ways before crossing the street" but now it appears it's "if it isn't too much trouble or what you're looking at on your phone isn't life altering, glance up for a second."
Those extension cables look like they'll work well for you. And that kitchen cabinet looks perfect for the DVR. But I don't envy you working in the attic on this little project...
Rick, the only time of year it's bearable in the attic is right now. Doing work up there any other time of year means nasty sweat stains on the ceiling.
 
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Good thing I don't install security cameras for a living.

Started to install the first camera by drilling a hole in the soffit above the front door. Went to the shed to grab my fish tape and it was hiding in the most obvious place that I can no longer recall. Ordered a new one to make the old one reappear. I need to get 8 BNC connectors from the attic to the DVR and I don't want the cables coming through a rough hole in the drywall. Picked up a low voltage double ring, a 12-keystone wall plate, eight keystone BNC passthu connectors, a couple of keystone CAT6 passthru connectors and two keystone 2.1 mm power passthru connectors. Waiting for the power passthru connectors.
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I installed two CAT6 jacks in the office twenty or so years ago and never made up the other ends in the attic. Today seemed like a good day to tackle at least one of them. Rather than sit in the hot attic to make up the connection, I stood on the attic pull-down ladder and tried to put the wires in the jack. I seem to have forgotten it's not a one-******** but I did have a 6-keystone plate in the shed. Couple drywall screws to hold the plate loosely in place and it was a simple job.
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There's a small chance I did this right because there are multiple versions of CAT6 wiring. The tester I ordered arrived today so I plugged a network cable into the jack (after I installed the clip-on keeper).
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The tester can check RJ11 telephone and RJ45 network cables and consists of two pieces. You plug one end of the network cable into the Master (powered) unit. Then plug the other end of the network cable into the Slave (un-powered) unit. Only two lights on the master lit up and none of the lights on the slave lit up so it's a bad cable. :cry:
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Wait, there are two cables so maybe I need to plug the cable in my office to the other wall jack. Wadda you know, it's a good cable! 😂

While I'm on a roll I'm going to put a jack on the end of the other cable. Then I can have a Wifi and cable router in the attic over the garage. Maybe the signal will reach the workshop/shed.
 

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I did the same thing with a 12 keystone plate for a few runs around the house. It also has our inbound from the cable company and a Cat-5 back feed to the phone demarc.

Aren't you afraid of the heat affecting the router in the attic?

Heat related story...
At a prior employer, we needed to put a network switch on top of a roller coaster for some line-of-sight equipment.
Ran fiber up to the top which was just a tad over 300'. Network switch in a box on a maintenance walkway. We put in a network temp sensing unit. Can't remember the exact #'s but, dang, that sucker was hot up there in the SoCal summers. Even with dual fans, it was getting cooked. Kudo's to HP ProCurve network designers though. I was just upset the maintenance guys wouldn't let me go up there to inspect it. You had to have gone through training and have your own fitted fall restraint harness.
 

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Nice work on the Cat6 wiring -- you make it look easy! (and I know what a pita it can be)

You've inspired me to get started on some Cat6 wiring I've been procrastinating on -- I recently bought the same network tester and haven't used it yet. I'm glad to see it works! (I trust your wiring more than I trust the tester.)

I hope your WiFi in the attic reaches the shed. I was having trouble getting mine to reach that far from the house (through a window). I stumbled on a Powerline Ethernet WiFi solution, and it did the trick for me (500 feet or so). If you'd like to try it, "renewed" ones are available for $40. I got mine on eBay, but here's an Amazon link.
 
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One of my project this year is to run Cat 6 cable from my home office router to the garage. The signal in the garage is very weak, so while trying to google something, I have to go outside the garage to get a halfway decent signal. This isn't normally an issue but when it's raining or freezing outside, I would like to stay indoor. Currently I have a RG6 and a telephone line that's runs in the air from a corner of the house to the corner of the garage. Plans are to run the new CAT6 wire along the cable run on the house and then attach it to the cable between the house and garage to run it in the air. Therefore, I'll need outdoor rated cable for the job and it needs to be roughly 250ft long so I can properly route the cable to the back of the garage also.

Ideally now would be the perfect time to do the attic work, but funding and attention is required in other projects right now.
Oh and as for using wireless router extenders, the one I have does an ok job if you're close to the house. But, in the garage it just isn't strong enough to get through the wall of the garage it seems.
 

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Currently I have a RG6 and a telephone line that's runs in the air from a corner of the house to the corner of the garage.
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Ideally now would be the perfect time to do the attic work, but funding and attention is required in other projects right now.
With those other two wires already in the air, I'd be tempted to use one of them for Ethernet. They make adapters for RG6 cable, for about the same price as Powerline Ethernet.
 

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...I hope your WiFi in the attic reaches the shed. I was having trouble getting mine to reach that far from the house (through a window). I stumbled on a Powerline Ethernet WiFi solution, and it did the trick for me (500 feet or so). If you'd like to try it, "renewed" ones are available for $40. I got mine on eBay, but here's an Amazon link.

One of my project this year is to run Cat 6 cable from my home office router to the garage. The signal in the garage is very weak, so while trying to google something, I have to go outside the garage to get a halfway decent signal.

I had the same problem with poor WiFi signal in the shop. I had a range extender plugged into the outlet on the wall closest to the house, but it would only receive a 2.4 GHz signal from the router in the house basement. Total distance was maybe 30 or 40 feet, but a couple of walls , the driveway, etc. in between. I upgraded to an expensive/more powerful router, but this didn't really help at all.

This did. After a ton of comparison shopping and reading reviews, this was the cheapest mesh network that performs well and doesn't have gaping security holes. "Gaming Edition" just because it's the same as the standard edition but lower cost for some reason. I now have ZERO connection or speed issues, and both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz signals reach the shop just fine. Mesh networks bounce point to point, so you can buy as many extenders as you want and daisy chain them around your whole property. All you need is an outlet. To get to the shop at my place now, for instance, the main router (which is tiny) sits in the same spot as the old one, in the basement. The first antenna plugs into an outlet upstairs in the middle of the wall that faces the shop. The second antenna is in the shop at the same location as the old range extender. Getting the two latter pieces of hardware to connect to each other and work is as simple as plugging them in.

I find that not only is the signal better in the shop, but I now have great coverage outside in the backyard, and the coverage in the house is way better, too. There's crappy cellular coverage at my place, so this is a major quality of life improvement when it comes to WiFi calling.

Anyway, it's rare that a product exceeds expectations by actually doing what it says it's supposed to do, but this is definitely one of those cases. And the cost is low enough that it's not worth spending an afternoon pulling and terminating CAT-6.

I'm going to call up AmpliFi and demand royalties...
 

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I had the same problem with poor WiFi signal in the shop. I had a range extender plugged into the outlet on the wall closest to the house, but it would only receive a 2.4 GHz signal from the router in the house basement. Total distance was maybe 30 or 40 feet, but a couple of walls , the driveway, etc. in between. I upgraded to an expensive/more powerful router, but this didn't really help at all.

This did. After a ton of comparison shopping and reading reviews, this was the cheapest mesh network that performs well and doesn't have gaping security holes. "Gaming Edition" just because it's the same as the standard edition but lower cost for some reason. I now have ZERO connection or speed issues, and both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz signals reach the shop just fine. Mesh networks bounce point to point, so you can buy as many extenders as you want and daisy chain them around your whole property. All you need is an outlet. To get to the shop at my place now, for instance, the main router (which is tiny) sits in the same spot as the old one, in the basement. The first antenna plugs into an outlet upstairs in the middle of the wall that faces the shop. The second antenna is in the shop at the same location as the old range extender. Getting the two latter pieces of hardware to connect to each other and work is as simple as plugging them in.

I find that not only is the signal better in the shop, but I now have great coverage outside in the backyard, and the coverage in the house is way better, too. There's crappy cellular coverage at my place, so this is a major quality of life improvement when it comes to WiFi calling.

Anyway, it's rare that a product exceeds expectations by actually doing what it says it's supposed to do, but this is definitely one of those cases. And the cost is low enough that it's not worth spending an afternoon pulling and terminating CAT-6.

I'm going to call up AmpliFi and demand royalties...
Have you run a speed test on your wifi? I need to do something because my home office computer is on wifi, Verizon router and it's too slow for software development. Going into the attic is not an issue, getting cat6 from second to first floor is. But wireless is so much easier and the honey do list is long enough that it unrolls like the Dead Sea scrolls 📜 . So if you're getting good speed it may be worth while to try it.
 

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I'm in Florida too and wanted network to my shop, about 100 feet behind the house. I bought a pair of Ubiquiti LiteBeam horns.
I didn't want to mount the one outside the house and so I took a chance and just tie wrapped it to a rafter in the attic pointing at the shop. It is supposedly rated for Gig throughput depending on conditions. Anyhow, EVEN going through the roof sheathing and shingles I'm getting almost 250 Mbs and it has performed flawlessly for 2-3 years now.
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Have you run a speed test on your wifi? I need to do something because my home office computer is on wifi, Verizon router and it's too slow for software development. Going into the attic is not an issue, getting cat6 from second to first floor is. But wireless is so much easier and the honey do list is long enough that it unrolls like the Dead Sea scrolls 📜 . So if you're getting good speed it may be worth while to try it.
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It looks like I'm limited by my ISP, not WiFi speeds. Not sure what your requirements are.
 
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I did the same thing with a 12 keystone plate for a few runs around the house. It also has our inbound from the cable company and a Cat-5 back feed to the phone demarc.

Aren't you afraid of the heat affecting the router in the attic?

Heat related story...
At a prior employer, we needed to put a network switch on top of a roller coaster for some line-of-sight equipment.
Ran fiber up to the top which was just a tad over 300'. Network switch in a box on a maintenance walkway. We put in a network temp sensing unit. Can't remember the exact #'s but, dang, that sucker was hot up there in the SoCal summers. Even with dual fans, it was getting cooked. Kudo's to HP ProCurve network designers though. I was just upset the maintenance guys wouldn't let me go up there to inspect it. You had to have gone through training and have your own fitted fall restraint harness.
Roger, I thought I would have a blank in the 12-keystone plate but the RJ45 outlet, two power inlets and a speaker jack and it's full. Eash of the cameras has a really sensitive microphone but I have to wire a speaker separately if I want to scare visitors.
Nice work on the Cat6 wiring -- you make it look easy! (and I know what a pita it can be)

You've inspired me to get started on some Cat6 wiring I've been procrastinating on -- I recently bought the same network tester and haven't used it yet. I'm glad to see it works! (I trust your wiring more than I trust the tester.)

I hope your WiFi in the attic reaches the shed. I was having trouble getting mine to reach that far from the house (through a window). I stumbled on a Powerline Ethernet WiFi solution, and it did the trick for me (500 feet or so). If you'd like to try it, "renewed" ones are available for $40. I got mine on eBay, but here's an Amazon link.
Rick, I have been unsuccessful getting internet access from the house to the workshop but I am more determined than ever to get it set up and working. I ordered a better, more modern wireless router to extend the coverage but being a belt and suspenders guy I ordered a refurbished power line pair of adapters. Sooner or later I'll get something to work.
One of my project this year is to run Cat 6 cable from my home office router to the garage. The signal in the garage is very weak, so while trying to google something, I have to go outside the garage to get a halfway decent signal. This isn't normally an issue but when it's raining or freezing outside, I would like to stay indoor. Currently I have a RG6 and a telephone line that's runs in the air from a corner of the house to the corner of the garage. Plans are to run the new CAT6 wire along the cable run on the house and then attach it to the cable between the house and garage to run it in the air. Therefore, I'll need outdoor rated cable for the job and it needs to be roughly 250ft long so I can properly route the cable to the back of the garage also.

Ideally now would be the perfect time to do the attic work, but funding and attention is required in other projects right now.
Oh and as for using wireless router extenders, the one I have does an ok job if you're close to the house. But, in the garage it just isn't strong enough to get through the wall of the garage it seems.
Cody, I have a 150-foot CAT6 outdoor rated cable but didn't have the jack in the attic before now. Another solution but it should really include a real power line to the workshop/shed. That would involve a trench, an additional panel close to the meter and an envelope full of cash for a willing electrician (I don't do auxiliary panels on the hot side of the main breaker).
With those other two wires already in the air, I'd be tempted to use one of them for Ethernet. They make adapters for RG6 cable, for about the same price as Powerline Ethernet.
Rick, you read my mind. Now it's a question of which solution arrives first.
I had the same problem with poor WiFi signal in the shop. I had a range extender plugged into the outlet on the wall closest to the house, but it would only receive a 2.4 GHz signal from the router in the house basement. Total distance was maybe 30 or 40 feet, but a couple of walls , the driveway, etc. in between. I upgraded to an expensive/more powerful router, but this didn't really help at all.

This did. After a ton of comparison shopping and reading reviews, this was the cheapest mesh network that performs well and doesn't have gaping security holes. "Gaming Edition" just because it's the same as the standard edition but lower cost for some reason. I now have ZERO connection or speed issues, and both 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz signals reach the shop just fine. Mesh networks bounce point to point, so you can buy as many extenders as you want and daisy chain them around your whole property. All you need is an outlet. To get to the shop at my place now, for instance, the main router (which is tiny) sits in the same spot as the old one, in the basement. The first antenna plugs into an outlet upstairs in the middle of the wall that faces the shop. The second antenna is in the shop at the same location as the old range extender. Getting the two latter pieces of hardware to connect to each other and work is as simple as plugging them in.

I find that not only is the signal better in the shop, but I now have great coverage outside in the backyard, and the coverage in the house is way better, too. There's crappy cellular coverage at my place, so this is a major quality of life improvement when it comes to WiFi calling.

Anyway, it's rare that a product exceeds expectations by actually doing what it says it's supposed to do, but this is definitely one of those cases. And the cost is low enough that it's not worth spending an afternoon pulling and terminating CAT-6.

I'm going to call up AmpliFi and demand royalties...
Tom, I like your solution but my wallet doesn't. I live in the under-$100 solution world so I am having a 1080p HDMI monitor with same-day delivery for $94. The power line adapter is ~$43 and I broke the bank with the TP-Link AX73 router that has 6 antennas for $123. When all else fails, I have a couple of transmitters to hook up (now that I have Ethernet cables in the attic.
Have you run a speed test on your wifi? I need to do something because my home office computer is on wifi, Verizon router and it's too slow for software development. Going into the attic is not an issue, getting cat6 from second to first floor is. But wireless is so much easier and the honey do list is long enough that it unrolls like the Dead Sea scrolls 📜 . So if you're getting good speed it may be worth while to try it.
@Wiz02, I have run speed tests with varying results. I have AT&T fiber run to the house and their software says I have Download/Upload of 644.2/631 Mbps. An test run on Firefox says 495.24/463.78 and a downloaded Ookla test says 674.71/613.78 with a 3 ms ping. A speed test on my Samsung phone says 266.2/84.0 with a 123 ms ping. It's almost cool in the attic and the hard part was done 20+ years ago. Even if it was hot up there, I am doing the connection while standing on a ladder in a direct line from the A/C unit in the garage.
I'm in Florida too and wanted network to my shop, about 100 feet behind the house. I bought a pair of Ubiquiti LiteBeam horns.
I didn't want to mount the one outside the house and so I took a chance and just tie wrapped it to a rafter in the attic pointing at the shop. It is supposedly rated for Gig throughput depending on conditions. Anyhow, EVEN going through the roof sheathing and shingles I'm getting almost 250 Mbs and it has performed flawlessly for 2-3 years now.
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BobL, that's fantastic. I have TP-Link transmitter/receiver units that supposedly require line of sight. I'm going to try setting them up with one in the attic (now that there's an Ethernet cable available) and the other on the shed. If it fails, I'm already installing a camera in a line-of-site location. Just another trip up the ladder.
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It looks like I'm limited by my ISP, not WiFi speeds. Not sure what your requirements are.
Tom, it appears the speed test produces different results every time I run it but it looks pretty good to me.
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I just installed an Eero mesh system. Here’s my speed
Mark, that's very impressive. AT&T offers a faster speed on the fiber optics but of course it's more expensive. For now I'm going to cheap out. Even the higher speed upgrade is a lot cheaper than the TV option Liane has to have.
Unfortunately, I have about 230 Mbps download speed now and I am paying for a Gigabit. But that Euromesh looks like the ticket. @gearhead1960, do you have a link or model number?
Eero Mesh Wi-Fi. I also have Verizon Gigabit....
@Wiz02 and Mark, I spent $370-something for a pair of Google Nest wifi extenders in 2020, hoping that installing one in the garage would give me wifi the 100 feet out to the workshop. I decided to avoid a repeat of that failure and limit my solutions closer to my $100 comfort zone. I can live with paying that amount for a sit-down restaurant visit and have it turn to $hit.
 

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@Wiz02 and Mark, I spent $370-something for a pair of Google Nest wifi extenders in 2020, hoping that installing one in the garage would give me wifi the 100 feet out to the workshop. I decided to avoid a repeat of that failure and limit my solutions closer to my $100 comfort zone. I can live with paying that amount for a sit-down restaurant visit and have it turn to $hit.
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When I saw the price, I am thinking hard about running cat6 to my office or just letting it ride.
 

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If I didn’t already have to climb the ladder to replace all of the broken plastic wire straps on the side of the house that the cat6 cable would be ran on the house, I’d be tempted to do the wireless gamer edition route. I’m also planning to clean up the junk wires on the house cause it appears each new cable service installation just resulted in new wire runs but no old wires removed. Resulting in 6-8 cables on one side of the house but only 2 is being used….

Plus my cost of $80 for the new cat6 cable with a few end clips, just makes me want to go cheap since I’m already up there.
 

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Rick, I have been unsuccessful getting internet access from the house to the workshop but I am more determined than ever to get it set up and working. I ordered a better, more modern wireless router to extend the coverage but being a belt and suspenders guy I ordered a refurbished power line pair of adapters. Sooner or later I'll get something to work.
Your attic router will probably work well, especially if it's only 100' to the shed. The Powerline adapters would have a slower speed anyway. You're smart to have a backup plan -- I must have gone through five different WiFi setups before I found a reliable one to reach several hundred feet from the house (especially with my spending comfort level below $50 for non-critical WiFi cameras).

I've had a CCTV DVR similar to yours running for years, with very few problems. But I did take some steps to limit its internet access. You always do a bunch of research, so you're probably aware of the problems all these DVRs have with security. They're somewhat safe as long as the admin login and password are changed, but my philosophy is the same as your "belt and suspenders" so I made sure my DVR could not connect to the internet. If you're only using one TV monitor with it, then you won't even need a network cable -- the ultimate internet security!
 
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When I saw the price, I am thinking hard about running cat6 to my office or just letting it ride.
@Wiz02, I had to repair termite damage in the guest bedroom so I removed all the drywall so I could replace the damaged studs. The room is at the front of the house so there's a fair bit of street noise and we decided to make it my office. There was a phone cable outlet under the window so I replaced it with a 6-keystone outlet and ran the wires through a couple of studs before feeding them up into the attic. Were I a better planner, I would have installed the outlet with a straight conduit into the attic for future upgrades/additions. It's in an R13 insulated outside wall so there's no way I'm ever going to change it. Worse yet, when I moved my 24"x96" desktop (on two file cabinets) into the office, the outlet ended up behind one of the file cabinets. Besides the phone, there were the two CAT 5e outlets, a cable TV outlet and a pair of RCA speaker jacks. The AT&T installer got rid of my RJ6 cable passthru and ran his wire in its place through the empty hole.
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The opposite wall is metal studs with no insulation so it would be a piece of cake to run the cables, even now.
If I didn’t already have to climb the ladder to replace all of the broken plastic wire straps on the side of the house that the cat6 cable would be ran on the house, I’d be tempted to do the wireless gamer edition route. I’m also planning to clean up the junk wires on the house cause it appears each new cable service installation just resulted in new wire runs but no old wires removed. Resulting in 6-8 cables on one side of the house but only 2 is being used….

Plus my cost of $80 for the new cat6 cable with a few end clips, just makes me want to go cheap since I’m already up there.
Cody, when I canceled Comcast they just unscrewed the RJ6 from the house. Since then a couple of storms took the cable between the main pole to the one between our house and the neighbor down. I finished the job and removed it from the house as well. I already have a 10/3 extension cord, garden hose and low voltage lighting wires running along the top channel of our shadowbox fence. Just need an underground conduit from the house to the fence and I could have hardwired Ethernet run to the shed.
Your attic router will probably work well, especially if it's only 100' to the shed. The Powerline adapters would have a slower speed anyway. You're smart to have a backup plan -- I must have gone through five different WiFi setups before I found a reliable one to reach several hundred feet from the house (especially with my spending comfort level below $50 for non-critical WiFi cameras).

I've had a CCTV DVR similar to yours running for years, with very few problems. But I did take some steps to limit its internet access. You always do a bunch of research, so you're probably aware of the problems all these DVRs have with security. They're somewhat safe as long as the admin login and password are changed, but my philosophy is the same as your "belt and suspenders" so I made sure my DVR could not connect to the internet. If you're only using one TV monitor with it, then you won't even need a network cable -- the ultimate internet security!
Rick, I feel better now. I was afraid a $300 system was going to be terrible but the cameras work quite well. I was trying to gain access to the system from my PC but so far I've had no luck. I did make a little progress today.
 
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Before I went up in the attic to drill a hole in the metal header on the kitchen wall, I tested my 1.5" hole saw to be sure the cable bushings would fit. Success!
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Located the nearest stud on the wall and put a template on the wall well away from the stud. Even went to the trouble of making it level. Pulled out the multi-tool to cut the opening. That thin blade makes a much neater cut with a lot less gypsum dust.
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Tried installing the low voltage ring and it was a little too tight (the keystone wall plate is a tight fit so the ring can't be squeezed at all. A little time with a rasp and it went in the hole smoothly. Much as I love my Milwaukee M12 1/4" hex impact, even on its lowest setting, generates a lot of torque. I picked up a cheap rechargeable screwdriver that did the screw job just fine.
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There's a draft in that opening so I may have to do some caulking or taping in the attic. A test fit of the keystone wall plate with the BNC patch cables connected went real well.
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I had somehow forgotten about the space between those cabinets. It will be a perfect cable chase and I've changed my mind about the recorder location. It can sit on top of the cabinet to the left and I'll make all the connections with short patch cables.
 

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Hi Bob, stinks that you have to cameras installed, I get it though. We had to do the same thing here both our cars were broken into in our driveway. My argument was, well we can watch them walk away with our stuff, it won't deter them.

I am going to get one of those soldering guns myself, did it come with a stand?

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Hi Bob, stinks that you have to cameras installed, I get it though. We had to do the same thing here both our cars were broken into in our driveway. My argument was, well we can watch them walk away with our stuff, it won't deter them.

I am going to get one of those soldering guns myself, did it come with a stand?

John
Hi John, sorry about the delay. I have a new life and it's mostly in the attic. We have been fortunate but the two policemen who stopped by said there were a lot of auto break-ins and petty theft events in our neighborhood. We decided to do something before they come knocking at our house. I'm hoping the cameras are high enough resolution to see faces clearly.

The soldering gun did not come with a stand but the tip doesn't touch the flat surface you lay it down on. It is also surprisingly light weight, compared to my Weller.
 
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Life in the attic has been funish. We've been having reasonable temperatures and enough clouds that I'm only sweating enough to wet my clothes but not enough to leave puddles. The end of the attic where the cables come through the kitchen wall is pretty clear. There's standup headroom but bending down to get past each truss is more painful than just crawling (and dragging tools).
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The first camera I installed was real close to the kitchen termination so rather than have 90% of a 60-foot cable coiled there I picked up a shorter one and with the help of a fish wire, got the camera end of the cable to the location on the ceiling of the front porch. While I was there I fed the CAT6 and three more camera cables down the hole.

Back in the kitchen I made all the connections to the wall plate and from the wall plate to the DVR using short patch cables. Along with the BNC cables, connected the 4-way power splitter cables to the back side of the wall plate. Finished off the kitchen side by fishing three low voltage power cables, a HDMI cable and a USB extension cable from the top of the cabinet to the counter behind the TV. Mounted the first camera over the front door and called it a day. One down, seven to go.
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Late that night I verified the front door camera was working and was surprised how well the night vision works.Night Vision.jpg
The second camera involved the west-facing garage section of the attic over the garage. When we moved in back in 1996 there was no easy way to access that space so I installed a pull-down staircase in 2000. The job was made easier because the ceiling drywall was removed to access the termite damage in the garage. I was a 55 year old child back then and putting the staircase in by myself seemed reasonable. Once I moved the '87 Corvette out (and unplugged the garage door opener) it was a simple matter of moving all the car parts stored up there. I'm re-thinking the need to keep all the starters and alternators that weren't turned in for a core charge.
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I'm getting better at this so the second camera went in quicker. I discovered what I already knew, that cross-eyed people can't be trusted to line things up without help. I eyeballed the 5/8" hole in the ceiling over the front door and mounted the camera base with the three supplied screws. The large hole wasn't centered so I had a hard time feeding the BNC and power plugs into the attic. A piece of 1/2" copper tubing fits in a 5/8" hole so I used one to locate the second camera base more precisely.
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I drilled the hole for the second camera low on the attic wall so I could reach the camera from the uppermost safe step on my flimsy 6-foot aluminum stepladder. Two down, six to go.
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I aimed the camera down a couple of clicks but I'm seeing more sky and less driveway than I want. Time for another trip up the stepladder. Actually, two trips because the other camera is capturing more porch ceiling than I want.
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Great job Bob. Guess, I can't sneak up on you.
That is a perfect view.
Thank you Leonard. I turned both cameras down one notch so less sky and more PT shows up.
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The day was going so well I decided to replace the 20-year-old incndescent taillight bulbs in the PT Cruiser with LEDs. Had I been wearing Shorty's Florida Safety Shoes I would have been OK but I cheaped out with just bare feet. One of those feet found the bulb I just removed. Heard a pop but felt nothing. As I was picking up my tools at the end of the job I noticed I was leaking. Good thing it didn't happen inside the house....
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