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knever3

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I had a boiler (and hot water heater) installed in 2009 after my basement had 4" of water shortly after I moved in. I had a very reputable company install the new boiler and replace the 3 zone valves, they also replaced the baseboard heat vents. It's a monoflow system, so no real branches, just restrictive tee's to manage flow through the baseboard heating. The system was designed and installed poorly, but that's another matter.

The reason for the post is, there's no C wire run to the thermostats. I put in smart thermostats so I can change the temp via an app, plus they have weather and stuff, which is nice, they are the Vine brand, cheaper than the Nest, and they work as long as I have wifi. I have a micro USB charger plugged into the back of each of the thermostats to provide the power, but I'd like to replace these for a permanent installation with a C wire.

I have a few questions, the electronics required runs off the micro USB on the back which is 5v, but the C wire connection is supposedly 25VAC, and it's only 1 wire, how is this supposed to work? In the pictures below (sorry, the best I could get) I seem to have 25VAC on the Y yellow screw, the boiler was on and I didn't get a chance to test it with it off to make sure it wasn't switched by the thermostats. The normal C wire is grounded, so that won't work unless I rewire it. I have seen some information about rewiring it to be in series with the coil, but my setup sure looks like it was cobbled. I wasn't happy with the work or tidiness, when they were soldering some pipes they didn't use any backer so they cooked my floor joists completely black. When they left I thought I could have done a better job. Anyway, have a look and give me some advice.
 
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Wire the thermostats from an independent 12 volt transformer, then wire the end switches together, then to the boiler.

Maybe I am missing something. What do you mean when you say no C wire? Not enough wire to the thermostats running in the walls?
 
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One thermostat has a 4 wire run, the other has a OLD 2 wire. I will replace that wire from the zone valve in the basement to the thermostat, but I didn't know how to wire it from the transformer in the boiler to the thermostats.
 
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Take your volt meter meausre voltage between cabinet and R see if have 24vac. They also make a devise to give you C wire adapter muilti brands.
 
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Do you have a model number off the boiler? And the thermostats?

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This about as simple as it gets, but I don't know where to connect to your boiler without more information. The TT in the picture will go to TT connections in the boiler.
 
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Thanks so much for the diagram. I will post more information once I get back to it!
 

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As for the quality of work, unfortunately, that looks like the vast majority of installs I have seen hvac guys do. When I built my house my electrician cleaned up a bunch of it because it was near stuff he was doing and he was worried someone might think he had done it. I think because it is low voltage and not really part of the "inspection" they just do whatever they want and don't care, or they just don't care. Eitherway, you can clean it up and make it look nicer than what they left.
 
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