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I am looking for some basic information and insight on bolt grade and their strength as the numbers go up.

Please give me the basics and how they apply, or what is the most common use for said bolt grades etc.

Grade 5 bolt <-- What is this used for most commonly?

Grade 10 bolt <-- I see this very common in automotive suspension and frames

So, in a nut shell give the details from 1-12 as I don't forsee anything higher than grade 12 bolts in my world.

Insight . . .
 
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Here's a bolt strength chart, if that helps. If you click on the "US Bolts" link in that chart, you'll get some explanations of what materials are used and what each bolt is typically used for.
 

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Teken ... be careful you don't confuse metric and standard bolt ratings. A grade 5 standard is roughly equal to an 8.8 metric. Grade 8 standard is about 10.9 metric.
 
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Teken ... be careful you don't confuse metric and standard bolt ratings. A grade 5 standard is roughly equal to an 8.8 metric. Grade 8 standard is about 10.9 metric.

See this is why I asked! :thumbup: I vaguely recalled this but had that backwards! :(

As always thank you . . . :thumbup: Anyone else please do chime in! :beer:
 

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There's no such thing as a grade 10.There's a 10.9 in metric.From the course I sat thru a couple months back grade 8 is the strongest bolt grade for SAE sizes.Some companies will grade their bolts higher than this but it's not recognized by the SAE.Metric bolts will be usually graded as 8.8,10.9,12.9.All bolt manufacturers must stamp the head of their bolts with their manufacturers mark so that bolts can be traced and identified in case of failure.Many bolt marks are being copied by Chinese manufacturers and stamped into inferior counterfeit bolts.They take a grade 8.2 bolt which has a different composition than a grade 8 and stamp it as a regular grade 8.These are prone to failure,sometimes with disasterous results.Here's some more info on counterfeit bolts:http://www.choice-distribution.com/bolts.htm
This pdf has some good info as well.It has a couple charts with different counterfeit bolt markings to watch for.It also shows a bunch of other stuff that's being counterfeited from circuit breakers to lifting and rigging hardware.Put out by the DOE:http://www-group.slac.stanford.edu/oa/sci/SCIAwarenessTrainingManual062007.pdf
 
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There's no such thing as a grade 10.There's a 10.9 in metric.From the course I sat thru a couple months back grade 8 is the strongest bolt grade for SAE sizes.Some companies will grade their bolts higher than this but it's not recognized by the SAE.Metric bolts will be usually graded as 8.8,10.9,12.9.All bolt manufacturers must stamp the head of their bolts with their manufacturers mark so that bolts can be traced and identified in case of failure.Many bolt marks are being copied by Chinese manufacturers and stamped into inferior counterfeit bolts.They take a grade 8.2 bolt which has a different composition than a grade 8 and stamp it as a regular grade 8.These are prone to failure,sometimes with disasterous results.

You do realize I was generalizing when I stated grade 10 bolt right? :spit: I also agree that some of the Asian bolts have been mislabled as to their true grade strength . . .
 

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Pick up Carrol Smith's book on fasteners. He has a great section on bolt strength. Specifically brittleness at higher strength ratings.
 

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ASTM grades fasteners as well. In bridges we generally use ASTM A325 bolts, which are not as strong as ASTM A490 bolts but are more ductile and thus can be stretched more without failure. I know this doesn't answer your particular question, but just a bit of info.
 

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There's no such thing as a grade 10.There's a 10.9 in metric.From the course I sat thru a couple months back grade 8 is the strongest bolt grade for SAE sizes.Some companies will grade their bolts higher than this but it's not recognized by the SAE.Metric bolts will be usually graded as 8.8,10.9,12.9.All bolt manufacturers must stamp the head of their bolts with their manufacturers mark so that bolts can be traced and identified in case of failure.Many bolt marks are being copied by Chinese manufacturers and stamped into inferior counterfeit bolts.They take a grade 8.2 bolt which has a different composition than a grade 8 and stamp it as a regular grade 8.These are prone to failure,sometimes with disasterous results.Here's some more info on counterfeit bolts:http://www.choice-distribution.com/bolts.htm
This pdf has some good info as well.It has a couple charts with different counterfeit bolt markings to watch for.It also shows a bunch of other stuff that's being counterfeited from circuit breakers to lifting and rigging hardware.Put out by the DOE:http://www-group.slac.stanford.edu/oa/sci/SCIAwarenessTrainingManual062007.pdf



Thankyou for this information I had no idea that the chinese were up to this!
 

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I highly recommend cadmium plated hardware if it's going on a vehicle. I've tried stainless (PITA even with goop on the threads), teflon coated, oxi coated, everything. cadmium is the only thing that seems to stand up.
 

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Zinc does OK under a vehicle. A lot of OEM's use Dacromet plating, but I've yet to find a source of hardware other than from the dealers.
 
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Another couple deleted posts...getting so you can't question anything around here anymore.

I believe the posts deleted were pertaining to my comment about the 1 star bandit. It had nothing to do with your reply / post . . .
 

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I highly recommend cadmium plated hardware if it's going on a vehicle. I've tried stainless (PITA even with goop on the threads), teflon coated, oxi coated, everything. cadmium is the only thing that seems to stand up.

Xylan coating is some bitchin stuff too i think it contains some teflon.
 
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For those that don't know what you are referring, would you please elaborate?

(too many rookies, and thinktheyknowitalls on this site)

I don't have all the facts or the vast knowledge as many of the people here do. Hence why I asked the forum members to give me some insight on the topic at hand.
 

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I don't have all the facts or the vast knowledge as many of the people here do. Hence why I asked the forum members to give me some insight on the topic at hand.

Exactly why I posted what I did. The short little posts that don't give any knowledge, just the (do as I say) really pisses me off. I hope this thread does give you the knowledge that you are seeking.
 
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The reason I asked this Q is because I just purchased a pair of bolt cutters. One is stated as being able to easily cut through grade 5 bolts like butter.

The other is stated as being able to cut through grade 10 bolts also. I personally have never seen anyone cut a grade ten bolt with a cutter. If said bolt was above grade 5 and higher the torch / plasma cutter would be coming out in my mind . . .

Then again its not like a torch / plasma cutter is as portable as a pair of cutters.
 

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From ARP......:
Material Specifications

ARP manufactures fasteners from a wide assortment of materials ranging from popular stainless steel and 8740 chrome moly to exotic alloys that have been developed to handle space travel.

You should also know that there are grades within specific alloys. For example, 8740 is available in four grades:
1. SDF (guaranteed seamless and defect free).
2. CHQ (cold head quality).
3. Aircraft.
4. Commercial.

ARP uses only the first two (SDF and CHQ), even though they cost more than double “Aircraft” quality.

STAINLESS STEEL: Ideally suited for many automotive and marine applications because stainless is tolerant of heat and virtually impervious to rust and corrosion. ARP “Stainless 300” is specially alloyed for extra durability. It’s polished using a proprietary process to produce a beautiful finish. Tensile strength is typically rated at 170,000 psi.

8740 CHROME MOLY: Until the development of today’s modern alloys, chrome moly was popularly considered a high strength material. Now viewed as only moderate strength, 8740 chrome moly is seen as a good tough steel, with adequate fatigue properties for most racing applications, but only if the threads are rolled after heat-treatment, as is the standard ARP production practice. Typically, chrome moly is classified as a quench and temper steel, that can be heat-treated to deliver tensile strengths between 180,000 and 210,000 psi.

ARP2000®: An exclusive, hybrid-alloy developed to deliver superior strength and better fatigue properties. While 8740 and ARP2000 share similar characteristics – ARP2000 is capable of achieving clamp loads in the 215,000-220,000 psi range. ARP2000 is used widely in short track and drag racing as an up-grade from 8740 chrome moly in both steel and aluminum rods. Stress corrosion and hydrogen embrittlement are typically not a problem, providing care is taken during installation.

L19: This is a premium steel that is processed to deliver superior strength and fatigue properties. L19 is a very high strength material compared to 8740 and ARP2000 and is capable of delivering clamp loads in the 230,000-260,000 psi range. It is primarily used in short track and drag racing applications where inertia loads exceed the clamping capability of ARP2000. Like most high strength, quench and temper steels – L19 requires special care during manufacturing to avoid hydrogen embrittlement. This material is easily contaminated and subject to stress corrosion. It must be kept well-oiled and not exposed to moisture.

AERMET® 100: With a typical tensile strength of 280,000 psi, Aermet 100 is a new martensitic super-alloy that is stronger and less expensive than the super-alloy austenitic materials that follow. Because it is capable of achieving incredibly high clamping loads, it is ideal for short but extreme environments like top fuel, funny car and some short track applications. Although Aermet 100 is a maraging steel that is far superior to other high strength steels in its resistance to stress corrosion, it must be kept well-oiled and not exposed to moisture.

INCONEL 718: A nickel based material that is in the high temperature, super-alloy class, it is found to be equally suitable in lower temperature applications. This material delivers tensile strengths into the 220,000 psi range and exhibits improved fatigue properties. Best of all, Inconel 718 is completely immune to hydrogen embrittlement and corrosion.

ARP3.5® (AMS5844): While similar to Inconel 718, these super-alloys are found in many jet engine and aerospace applications where heat and stress attack the life of critical components. The high cobalt content of this alloy, while expensive, delivers a material with superior fatigue characteristics and typically tensile strength in the 270,000 psi range. The immunity to hydrogen embrittlement and corrosion of these materials is a significant design consideration. These materials are primarily used in connecting rods where extremely high loads, high RPM and endurance are important factors – Formula 1, Winston Cup and CART applications.

CUSTOM AGE 625 PLUS®: This newly formulated super-alloy demonstrates superior fatigue cycle life, tensile strength and toughness – with complete resistance to atmospheric corrosion and oxidation. ARP is the first to develop manufacturing and testing processes for fasteners with Custom Age 625+. Best of all it is less expensive and expected to soon replace MP-35 as the material of choice in the high strength, super-alloy field. Typical tensile strength is 260,000 psi.

TITANIUM: ARP now offers special order fasteners made of an alloy (Ti6Al-4V) that is specially heat-treated (a process developed by ARP’s own Russ Sherman) and provides superior strength to other titanium alloys employed in racing and aerospace. The material has a nominal tensile strength of 180,000 psi, and is very corrosion resistant. The main advantage of titanium, of course, is its weight – which is about 40% lighter than a comparable fastener made of steel. Head studs and accessory bolts are ideal applications for this lightweight material.
 

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Exactly why I posted what I did. The short little posts that don't give any knowledge, just the (do as I say) really pisses me off. I hope this thread does give you the knowledge that you are seeking.

If it pisses you off, feel free to ignore my advise. I believe that I put a name on the end of that post to show I was talking to one particular individual. As for why you shouldn't ... There's a big wide internet out there, and the dangers of cadmium are very well documented. I'd rather inspire curiosity and have people inform themselves than post data and then have to contend with internet heroes who feel they need to dispute everything.
 

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Like I said many manufacturers will make bolts with stronger alloys and claim they're higher grades,and probably they should be,but Grade 8 is the highest rating the SAE has.

From ARP......:

Everything you posted there just agrees with my statement that many manufacturers make bolts with different alloys.It doesn't change the fact that the SAE doesen't recognize bolts rated as higher than grade 8.I said in my post that they should,but they don't.
 

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From ARP......:

Elroy would respectfully point out that many times the fatigue strength of a fastener is more important than its ultimate strength. In these cases the physical design and geometry of the fastener become more important than the material.

Good fastener designs pay attention to reduction of the stress concentration factors. These design details carry over into the overall design of the joint as well so don't thing it's all about fancy materials.

SPS Camcar was a pioneer in high performance fasteners long before ARP.
 

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If it pisses you off, feel free to ignore my advise. I believe that I put a name on the end of that post to show I was talking to one particular individual. As for why you shouldn't ... There's a big wide internet out there, and the dangers of cadmium are very well documented. I'd rather inspire curiosity and have people inform themselves than post data and then have to contend with internet heroes who feel they need to dispute everything.

I apologize Professur. I was having a bad evening, and I let it show through my fingers. I didn't mean to insult you in any way.
 

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Great feed-back one and all: Can a bolt cutter shear through a grade 10.9 / 12.9 bolt?


Link to SAE standard J1199. Look at section 3.4 for a cross reference of SAE recognized fastener GRADES to SAE recognized metric fastener CLASSES. If you trying to use bolt cutters I would think you need to know the maximum bolt diameter as well as the grade or class of bolt that the cutter is rated for. Probably can look at yield and tensile strengths and convert as necessary to see what falls within the capacity of your cutters

http://www.chinafastener.biz/gb/am/file_list.aspx?action=download&ID=351&ext=pdf
 
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Many thanks I will use this for future reference material. Much appreciate you taking the time to post that link in a PDF format. :thumbup: :beer:
 

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Ok so what are all the different coatings? And where are they found? I don't recognize many of the names. Are they more of a specialty type fasteners for marine or aviation or something?
 
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